I would get out at -10 pips.
I will look for a retrace top where the price crosses the upper starc band and upper bollinger band.
I will wait for the price to ‘walk the upper bands’ for 3 candles for my second entry of[B] 2 amounts[/B].
I have question that is unrelated to the current exercises. If you have time to answer it Tymen i would appreciate it 
How do you know when you’re in a losing trade?
For example:
On a pips first trade
- you take your pips first
- you wait for the retrace
- you enter after 3 candles have walked the upper band
- the price continues to walk the upper band (but still below the large stoploss placed above the evening star)
- the price continues to rise through the stop loss
At what point do we call it a loss trade and cut our losses?
One way i’m thinking is if the upper bollinger band is moving up and away from a risnig upper starc band. What do you think of that? (This is just something im noticing in a current trade i’m in now. I dont know for sure if its a definite sign)
Have you found any other sure signs of a losing trade?
Anyones suggestions would also be appreciated
To Sinn1 :
You are in a losing trade when the price action goes thro your stop loss thus triggering it.
In such a case you will lose 2 amounts.
Yes, it is a lost trade, remember, there is always a risk of loss.
But a retrace, by definition, is just that - a top point. Passing tho the upper Starc band gives us a clue that the retrace is very near.
[U]The Starc bands are an envelope around the price extremes[/U].
However, there are some ways of minimizing the risk of losing a candlestick trade :
- Always set your stop loss at the [U]highest [/U]position - 3 pips above the star.
- Always choose [U]quality [/U]candle patterns.
3)Be very [U]wary [/U]of that BB.
If the BB is going up dramatically, especially from a contraction point, then just don’t enter.
Leave the trade alone. Its a high risk trade.
Yes, it might make a great profit. But you don’t know that.
We are not here to gamble.
You want the odds definitely in your favour.
Following the above 3 rules should see you make a profit. With these rules, the retraces may come very close to your stop loss but are unlikely to trigger it.
In the unlikely event that your stop loss [U]is [/U]triggered, well then, you have a loss.
The decision to enter a trade is made on the [U]main [/U]chart, not on the 5 minute chart.
What things you see in the 5 minute chart that scare you is irrelevant. We go by the method that is set and [U]stick to it.[/U]
1 would enter second amount when price nears upper starc , Might even wait for it to near upper BB. line, with Starc pointing up.
To late to close with a porfit (plus I have a stop set for that.)
This is a retrace first trade.
Also 108.00 is a big number price likes to turn at big numbers…
Still looks short to me…
This is a retrace first trade. Hang on until price hits stop. Enter second amount if price exits then re-enters starc band.
Tymen,
What is the significance of switching between Keltner Channel and Starc Bands?
The Keltner bands do better for the entry, although you can use the Starc bands if you wish.
The Starc bands are specially designed to mark out the price extremes. They do better at this than the Keltner bands.
If a price is at the upper Starc, then it has a high probability or returning to the centre. Same for lower band.
I find it useful to load the upper and lower Starc bands on my chart, together with a middle Keltner band.
This allows for both the entries and the retrace detection.
I use different colours for these bands (Starc = green, Keltner = orange).
Well, it looks like time to [B]Answer Stage 4[/B]
At this stage, it is definitely a “retrace first” trade.
We note that the Starc band is going [U]up[/U].
So we are not in a hurry to enter that second amount since the price action may walk the Starc band.
There is a small possibility that the price may hit our stop loss, but providing we set it correctly, that is unlikely.
[B]
At this point we just wait and see what happens.[/B]
Tymen, are there any particular settings for the starc bands or do we just use the default settings?
[B]Stage 5[/B]
By tymen1 at 2008-06-15
Now we are really getting into the action!!
The question is on the chart.
The exact values of that green candle are :
top…108.03
close … 108.01
Cupofjoe (Newbie - congratulations for participating) had his stop loss set at 108.04 - he has had a narrow escape so far!! :eek:
[U]Stop losses [/U] :
Kenneth Lee - 108.12
Vulcan Classic - 108.12
Keitsuke - 108.10
Trav72 - 108.11
Sinn1 - agreed with answers - will give you 108.11.
Sinn1 has bailed out after 10 pips, that is 108.02. Stop loss cancelled. Credit to Sinn1 = -10 pips.
Tymen - 108.11
Everyone except Sinn1 is still in the trade so far.
price is still going up. We wait for it to maybe walk the upper starc band and pierce or touch the upper bolinger band and then enter a second amount. The bolinger band is travelling horizontal and it hasnt trumpeted so we look for price to go to upper bolinger band as we are in middle of band and starc is going up
I agree with Trav72.
Starc bands are going up still.
Bollinger upper band starting to go up which will give Starc band more room to go up also.
I would look for a retrace-top to be near the cross of the upper Starc and upper bollinger band.
Just use default settings.
[B]Please note slight editing of post #621 under “[U]stop losses[/U]”[/B]
After reviewing the thread again, I would say to wait until price pierces both the upper BB and the upper Starc band and closes below them, then add.
I would wait for the next candle…
Tyrian,
Welcome to Babypips. You’ll find a wealth of good info here.
May I suggest that you re-post this question by starting a new thread under Newbie Island or Rate my Software. You should get some good responses.
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I read the WHOOOOOLE Thing…
Wow …Tymen you are the the Big Dog in the candle stick factory…I have learned more from this thread than all the other wannabe training sites combined…I’ve been trading fx for 6 months and my biggest weakness was staying to long in bad trades and getting out to soon in the good trades… took me a long time to understand the volatility of fx and was constantly Spooked out of good trades …as a result …lots of losses and small wins…I never could answer the Questions of Why is the trade valid or what is a good pattern when price is moving the wrong or right way. Your Training gives rock solid reasons to enter, hold and exit… I have used the Gtf trade platform and have spent months in their Demo (new account set up is $250 USD and you get a live and Demo chart platform)…but nothing really teaches better than working with real money… I have a mini lot account and don’t risk much but I suppose the pain of even small loss and the excitement of the win make one focus harder. I believe it forces one to seek all the right questions …thanks for teaching us the right questions and showing us how to answer them profitably. As a result , I placed two trades With your guidance last week + 15 pip and +35 pip.
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BB starting to flare a little but flat
sarc up
center bb up
price could touch top sarc and walk up to BB
at this point from the low , retrace is 60% of sl target of 108.06
why 108.06? …strong star pattern and and entry vector was flat to slightly up
will consider moving sl to max star +3
would like to see the 25m chart to keep prespective
need to wait to see how next candle develops and closes
SO-HAW! 
(sit on hands and wait)
We are waiting for a retrace B4 next entry
Quick question to all following this thread -
I was using GFT/DealBook 360. I really liked it but they only give you 30 days then it expires, too much trouble. Also, everyone is doing EAs and indicators for MT4.
I have an MT4 demo with StrategyBuilder FX that does not expire but I can only get 1,5,15,30 minute and 1 hour charts. I cannot seem to find a file for MT4 that allows you to change the time frames.
Does anyone have a solution for that? I read this entire thread and have not had success but maybe I missed something.
Also, if MT4 is not a solution, is there any other recommended that cooperates with Tymen’s system? How is Oanda? It does not expire, so that would be nice.
Please help me here. I want to be IN TUNE with what is going on here.
Thanks so much. The people in this thread are wonderful.
Brian