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Old 10-21-2008, 01:41 PM
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This has been a great thread overall so far. This post has really helped me tie some ideas together. I've really been noticing some neat behavior after plotting SR lines of different importance, and have been surprised to see how price reacts.

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Originally Posted by JimmyMac View Post
You might want to avoid burning holes in your eyes observing, analysing & basing your conclusions on & around individual or small groups of candles/bars on micro timeframes.

Candles printing on sub hourly timeframes are merely ‘timing triggers’ at best.

The higher up the quality (timeframe) scale you go, the more time you’ll have to properly & better assess the psychology playing out at particular zones & levels on the ladder.

As has already been alluded to throughout this thread, the participants who really move the flows around on these instruments pay little or no attention to sub hourly timeframes as a reference point.

I’m not saying you can’t successfully integrate them into a profitable model, but you’ll get far more bang for your buck if your main structure & accompanying (technical) analysis is conducted via the slightly larger timeframe charts.

Basing the majority of your trading off micro timeframes with the sole intention of reducing & controlling risk is one of the biggest & most dangerous misnomers out there.

As you’re finding out to your (lost opportunity) cost, when price action butts up against increased volatility and/or periods of intense psychology, getting too close to the flames will burn your ass.

The only way you’re going to stay aboard these bucking bronco’s is to compromise.
That equates to giving your trades a little more room to not only develop, but also confirm that the current scenario still holds water.
That might require re-calibrating your position sizing to reflect a balanced risk/cost bias on your account or re-structure the way you arrive at your trade decisions.

I’ve copied this passage from Jimmy’s post (#781) on Sunday evening:

Most professional players will feed or compound into a run. So, at the point of entry (particularly if it’s some kind of breakout play), they’ll sling out a feeder stake to test the waters. If the price action pulls back & then plays out ok, & the move attracts decent participation, they’ll compound into it as it opens out (via pullbacks) until they aggregate their full exposure or positional % for that trade. That’s commonly known as “adding to a winner”

If you aim to work towards that principle when you get your account up to speed it will stand you in good stead across all trading conditions.

I’ve worked with a good number of professional traders & most pro’s that work their own money & actually use technical charts as part of their work sheet, avoid the (micro) gambling timeframes like the plague unless there’s a very good or clear reason to get dirty down there.
Generally there’s little or no value for them that far down the quality scale.

What does that tell you?

Tessa & Jocelyn have given quite a few examples of marrying up gambling (micro) triggers with higher, quality grade timeframe analysis. But don’t be fooled that they base their management structures around them.

Those two, along with their other siblings, have been exposed to this industry since they could first walk & talk. The firm we work for is run by their Parents & Uncles. Hauling that kind of experience around from an early age affords you plenty of options where trading money is concerned.

Point I’m making?
It might just pay dividends to steer a slightly different course to the majority of those folks who endorse laying your money down on these ridiculous systems and/or punting via short timeframe technical charts.

And on that note -
that’s me done with my babysitting duties. Jim is back in the saddle later tonight.

Nice to make your acquaintance. All the very best to you guys in your future endeavors. Take good care now,

Art Krantz.
After reading this post, I realize that everytime I get into trouble with a bad trade, I've dropped down to the M15 or less time frame. And your right, I think that I'm reducing risk by going shorter in time frame.

I wish I could stick with the H1 - H4 - D1 for a top down view, making decisions based on the H4 and maybe use a M15 for entry. But sooner or later I always gravitate down to the hour, then the 15 and even at the M5. Especially when the market gets slow. Even with all the great new understanding, my only success is still on the 15 or less. otherwise it's stop loss city, even if I open my stops to accommodate movement.

The exception was yesterday. I watched double tops and head and shoulder patterns unfold for the first time, I watched price react favorably to SR lines I plotted with my plans in place. If only I hadn't missed the entries by not paying attention while doing other work!

So why is it so hard to stick to longer TF's?

I'm also noticing that proper chart observation requires something of a clear head. There are times where good decisions are obvious and it's almost like I'm in a trading euphoria, then other times I look at charts and can't see a thing.
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