That would be a real shame, imho youāve been one of the most helpful and well-informed posters on here
there youre wrong torulf. PimpMeHappy, me and other lasting members habe formed a group outside of BP and are communicating directly over phone and private chatts forming a group of cooperating traders and all of us since then are much less active on babypips.
Well, many thanks, Eddie (actually I think thatās more true of yourself than it is of me!) ā¦
But the fact is that Iām getting infractions just for using smilies(!), while I canāt even get an answer [B]at all[/B] from the staff about why āreportsā (regarding someone else who doesnāt participate in the forum in any way other than compiling his own 172-page thread [U]absolutely packed with links to his commercial signal service, in clear-cut breach of the forumās current rules[/U]) are persistently ignored.
That sends a fairly unmistakable message about what sort of members they actually value here, doesnāt it?
Itās not attributable to any kind of āsimple misunderstandingā, or other kind of innocent explanation, either: this has going on for [I]months and months[/I] (while the forumās traffic and participation have been steadily and consistently declining), and theyāve had every opportunity - to put it mildly - to explain it. Heaven knows Iāve asked repeatedly enough.
I [B][U]do[/U][/B] respect their right to run their forum however they wish to.
But I also wish theyād have the decency to answer a perfectly simple and entirely reasonable question.
I donāt want to come across as āLittle Miss Sense-of-Entitlementā, here, but I feel like they owe me that much, after all Iāve contributed here.
Other members, if interested, can make up their own minds about these situations.
And [I]many[/I], of course, have been doing exactly that - hence the gradual drop-off in traffic/participation, here.
I may not even get a [I]choice[/I] about whether to leave, anyway: if the infractions are anything to go by, theyāll end up banning me and retaining the persistent spammer (as is their right, of course, if thatās really what they want).
For the Mods.
The above quote was made by French soccer player, famous in the UK for playing in the English soccer league and even more famous for jumping into the terraces and doing a kung fu on a guy who had been shouting some obscenities.
For reference, his name is Eric Cantona, he played for Man Utd.
He uttered the phrase at the subsequent press conference, around 1995, over 20 years before the American actor who repeated it. The phrase is described as āgnomicā meaning short, difficult to understand but wise".
The modās action in removing the smiley falls down on the last adjective.
Btw, Lexy, I havenāt a clue who the American actor is, probably just like the US guys havenāt a clue who Eric Cantona is - and here is that smiley
dont take it too serious Lexy.
A month ago i aswell got my first infraction because i dared to say $ex in a post. if i had a smiley in that post i maybe would have got banned immediately
Wrong problem is that i mostly have right ā¦
So you you open a little boy club without me , that is insulting
What part of my text is wrong
You friend pipmehappy have been quiet for a periode i guess the market have cleaned him out ā¦
Hundreds of analyses ,5000 post reading about trading x hour every day and not figure out that after brexit
will GBP weakness ā¦what shame ā¦
Look out bro, weāre starting to agree on things!!!
I didnāt get an invite either, so, so peaved about that! Since weāre quoting, guess birds of a feather do stick together.
But I think the following is more relevant
Give me strength to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
There is a real danger in doing this. Be like deputizing vigilantes in the wild west(no disrespect to Lexy or Manx). You have to remember bro, this is a commercial site. Itās here to generate revenue. Itās certainly not here to stroke the egoās of a selected few. You participate or you move on. One thing is for certain, this isnāt the same place as it was 4 years ago when I joined. Yet it hasnāt change. As you will be well aware, no organization can survive unless it changes to met the needs of the current marketplace. Itās up to the owners to decide what form they wish the beast to take.
problem is that u think u got right
I donāt really agree with you here, Bob. A moderatorās work is authorised by the site officials and is defined and confined by a given set of rules. They cannot act outside of their given jurisdiction.
Whereas a vigilante is someone who takes the law into their own hands because they feel the authorities are not doing what they should - which often appears on this site in the form of derogatory and sarcastic responses to postings that the vigilante personally considers in some way inappropriate:
Wikipedia: āāVigilante justiceā is often rationalized by the concept that proper legal forms of criminal punishment are either nonexistent, insufficient, or inefficient. [B]Vigilantes normally see the government as ineffective in enforcing the law[/B]; such individuals often claim to justify their actions as a fulfillment of the wishes of the community.ā
I believe that visible moderators helps in promoting quality on a forum, which in turn surely leads to better commercial revenues. I certainly do not see moderating as an ego stimulus, in fact quite the opposite. It must be a thankless and mind-destroying task to have a duty to read through all the mundane trivia to seek out the scams and the infringements. For the record, I have never indicated that I would like that role, nor would I ever take on that kind of responsibility. I am (was) here purely due to an interest in trading and a desire to share experiences with other like-minded professionals and Newbies.
Since that kind of trading talk has diminished noticeably here, and since I agree fully with your conclusion, I have decided to return to my trading environment and quit this world of forum speak. I donāt come here any more, and I am only responding here because my name was mentioned and this is the only thread to which I still had an e-mail alert.
I do wish you guys well and hope that things improve. As Speedbump, Iām sure, would also say, people come, people go, and the site will just keep on rolling its way forward. The owners will respond when and where they see a need to do so - and if they donāt then live with it or leaveā¦
Sincere good wishes with the boxes and your own recovery plans!
Donāt fee to sorry for them bro! With revenue between $200 - $300 000 a year itās not that thankless a job. Like most things forex, itās easier and far more profitable to sell āeducationā than trade.
But when three āmore reputableā members canāt even joke about PMās then it moves to censorship. And when vomit like this 301 Moved Permanently can spew forth their message then itās all about the revenue.
As a newbie 4 years ago, BPās seems the ducks nutz and the answer to a new traders prayers. Reality is
that is all marketing and eventually will contaminate ones trading. So like yourself and many others recently, itās time to take a step back and let the new kids on the block take control.
Boxes rule!!!
All the best to you my friend
Babypips, not bad for a small newspaper company run out of Richmond.
To me, itās mostly a matter of common decency and politeness, and just having enough respect for your customers (or at least pretending to) to be willing to answer a longstanding, contributing memberās perfectly legitimate and reasonable question about the way the forumās run.
[b]This thread[/b] (and itās not the only one, but Iām just taking it as an example because there are 172 pages of it) is full of links to a [I]commercial signal-service[/I] listed and paid for through āZulutradeā.
I just want to know why the moderators ignore all the reports about such a clearcut and persistent breach of their own rules.
Thatās what I started the thread for.
My āreportsā on that thread are ignored, the moderators donāt respond to questions included with reports, they donāt answer the question when asked by private message, the administrator doesnāt reply about it, they donāt respond to a thread asking them publicly (though they read it enough to give its OP an infraction).
Iāve been asking perfectly politely for a [B][U]year[/U][/B], now, without ever receiving a better answer than - to quote - āthere are some issues that need thorough discussionā.
Whether I get another infraction for saying so, or not, I think thatās downright insulting.
pfffff, & the rest!
If theyāre only churning over 3-400k off this gig after all this time theyāre doing something radically wrong. There are sites out there of a similar ilk flipping $2-3mio with less than 2 yrs under their belt.
Attract
Click
Earn
Repeatā¦ā¦.
In the bowels of a mass participation arena with money/greed at its core, what type of activity is likely to attract, intrigue & hold large groups of impressionable individuals long enough to entice them back on a regular basis until the penny finally drops & they either wise up or lose their shirts?
- boring, mundane, run-of-the-mill, sensible advice from street smart clued up puntersā¦or
- jazzy, get-rich-quick promises from snake oil salesmen, slick fast talking empty vessel gurus & naĆÆve, gullible fanboys who defend & promote them till the cows come home?
Ply them with colourful fairy tales & visions of yellow brick roads, guide them in the direction of all the waiting broker shops, rinse & repeat.
Gimme the money honey!
Thanks for this - I do take your point, Speed Bump.
I understand that principle, but donāt know enough about this kind of business to tell to what it extent it applies here. I suspect it does, at least to some extent, but I also think there must be counter-examples, when you look at the essentially unmoderated forums in this industry which are consistently losing their traffic and participation and advertising, and at the well moderated ones which are certainly gaining it - and those are parameters pretty easily monitored by anyone interested.
I appreciate that the revenue-stream in this kind of business comes from selling advertising. My understanding was that advertising income is likely to be directly or indirectly proportional to verified traffic, and that in the case of a forum, thatās clearly going to depend on active members and participation. One would think that in those cases, policies that so consistently drive away the members and traffic would be less than ideal.
In any case, if the forumās staff were willing to explain their position on those grounds, even if only privately (and theyāve had every chance) and even if not in those exact words, as I mentioned above [I]Iād have accepted that[/I]. But trying to fob off a loyal, longstanding and contributing member, persistently, for a year, with no more adequate response than an eventual āthere are some issues that need thorough discussionā (and then on top of it dole out an infraction for having the temerity eventually to ask in public, all other avenues having failed!), in my view, is just [b][u]plain rude[/U][/B].
And thatās no way to keep members, either ā¦ and no reputation to acquire [I]so unnecessarily[/I].
Hello Lexy,
After reviewing your post, it was deemed inappropriate because of the emoticon used. Contrary to what you have said, it was not a default smiley emoticon but an add-on: a raised middle finger. We agree that you have used normal emoticons on your previous posts. However, this emoticon was not one of them. Putting a smiley with the middle finger up does not make it appropriate and normal.
All reported posts are reviewed by moderators. When reports are deemed questionable for whatever reason, multiple moderators review the reported post. Actions are taken on the posts found in violation of our rules and regulations, but keep in mind, we try to reply to all reported posts that do not violate our rules and regulations, where we take no action, but we donāt guarantee it.
When it comes to signal providers with a framework like Zulutrade, they are a grey area for us. With the Zulutrade model, signal providers are not directly compensated by a user, and in the past we felt that was okay because it can go either way: a signal provider could be giving away amazing ideas for free or they can be terrible.
And keep in mind that past performance isnāt indicative of future results: a good trader can go on a bad run and a bad trader could turn into a good one. Itās impossible to separate the future good traders from the bad, but it is a free market and it should easily separate those who are helpful from those are not.
We feel the best stance to take for a global community of thousands of members, with different personal situations and different levels of personal risk tolerance is to not take away their options and choices of how they want to engage the markets. And hopefully, a user takes the time to get educated and understands that there is risk in trading, and that they take responsibility for whatever type of risk they engage in, whether itās following another forum member, a signal provider, or their own trading ideas.
Of course, we do recognize the potential conflict of interest with the Zulutrade model, and that there are characters who are not capable and/or do not care about putting out good trade ideas and managing risk well. With this, the team has decided that moving forward, we wonāt be allowing links to commercial signal-services such as Zulutrade. Members who value services like Zulutrade will have to look somewhere else. Threads by existing Zulutrade users will be closed and new threads will not be allowed, until we have in place a system that identifies and separates those threads from other non-commerical threads.
Hopefully that answers some of questions. Feel free to comment further below
I was also surprised to see that the thread mentioned on page 1 had survived for so long. However what surprised me was the 52% drawdown recorded. What exactly is needed to invalidate this form of āadviceā?
In general it is important to be aware that among the entities advertising here there will be a fair amount of scammers. At the same time it may be frowned upon to draw attention to something that may be of value to the forum members if it involves a commercial enterprise that is not paying to be here. Understandable I guess for a commercial site. As usual with stuff on the net or in life in general you need to be smart when evaluating what you read or hear.
Thanks for your reply, Nica.
I wonāt allow the fact that Iāve waited a year for a reply on this issue (and eventually got one only by all-but-demanding it in public) to prevent my saying how welcome it is: I think the forumās made a good decision, there; Iām grateful for it and others will be, too.
Thank you.
There are only two small points on which I wish to respond further.
The first relates to the smiley.
I [B][U]didnāt[/U][/B] say it was a ādefaultā smiley.
On the contrary, I actually specified that it was from the Clicksmilies site (and therefore clearly an add-on).
So itās not actually ācontrary to what I saidā at all.
[B][U]Not[/U][/B] so, Nica: not a āraised middle fingerā. (Surely you know me better than to imagine that?).
It was a little grinning smiley of someone pointing upwards (as in āto a post above, to which I referredā!) with each hand.
Not only was it [I]entirely innocent[/I], but it was also [U]one Iāve posted here before without giving any offence to anyone[/U].
If youād like me to, Iām happy to send it to you in a private message [I]so that you can see for yourself[/I] (and Iām sure youāll be able to confirm with the moderator concerned, who sent me the āwarningā, that Iām sending you the same one).
Please let me know either here or privately, if youād like me to do that.
But either way, Iām requesting, in the circumstances, that the infraction should formally be set aside, please. It was [I]absolutely[/I] unwarranted.
My feeling at the time was (and - Iāll be honest, here - still [U]is[/U]) that I was being given a warning because Iām seen as a thorn in the moderatorsā flesh, by the fact that I continue to report spam, to send messages about it when my reports are ignored, and to start threads like this when all else fails.
I have an additional reason for thinking that, too: an entirely innocent, off-topic thread I started and to which I was the principle contributor (the āart-workā thread, in this section of the forum), [B]which Pipstradamus himself gave me permission to post[/B] when I took the trouble to ask before starting it, was removed, thus further enhancing the very strong and increasing impression that the forum was [U]continuing to delete my posts while leaving those of spammers on the board[/U]. [I]We both know that Iām also far from the first member to make this observation[/I]. Given the large number of previous occasions on which Pipstradamus has acknowledged how unfortunate and regrettable that has been, Iām sure you can appreciate how disappointing it is when the same things happen over and over again, canāt you, Nica?
I sent a private message to Pipstradamus asking (perfectly politely, needless to say) why the thread he himself had given me permission to post had disappeared.
My message was ignored, with no acknowledgement - let alone a reply.
Iām used to that: sadly, itās a very common staff (lack of) response to private messages. But Iām still complaining about it, as you see. And Iāll continue to, as well, if the forum continues to treat its longstanding contributors in that way. Just so weāre all clear about that.
So, the āTLDR versionā: since youāve now kindly welcomed further feedback from me, this is my further feedback: first, congratulations on and thanks for your eventual decision to enforce the rules; secondly, please rescind the unjustified infraction I was given; thirdly, please let me know why my art-work thread has been removed, and re-instate it. Thank you very much in advance,
Lexy
Hi Lexy,
The thread you started in the Melting Pot section is still there. The last post was in October 2015.
http://forums.babypips.com/the-melting-pot/75482-babypips-artists.html
Thanks,
Jess
Thank you, Jess.
(It wasnāt, a week ago - or at least it didnāt appear on the list of threads started by me, nor on the list of threads with the word āArtistsā in the title, on using the search function.)
Nica,
As I mentiooned above, many of us were pleased and relieved by your eventual reply, on this subject. But weāre now wondering why that hasnāt happened yet, and even the thread linked to in this threadās first post hasnāt yet been closed.
Sorry if I apear ādemandingā, but it takes only two seconds to close a thread, and Iām now asking [I][U]five days[/U][/I] after your assurance on this point.
Lexy