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Old 06-03-2008, 09:15 PM
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I say we all keep on using his system and at 6pm est on trading days(or as close to) we all list are possible trades and discuss from there.We as a community can work and learn together using the OZFX system because from my experience it does work. Just a thought
I think that's a great idea...Let's give it a go!!
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:16 PM
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I have posted before challenging the way the profitability is calculated. That aside the system is what it is and was given for free, as far as I can see end of story

However when someone talks of giving back (noble sentiments indeed) and then develops a proprietary signals service way more expensive than the education systems run by industry veterans like Jimmy Young I do ask myself why. At the very least if he needs the money then that runs in the face of his claims to be a successful trader with a proven system

Clearly what most people are expressing in their various ways are their disappointment. Thats fine but dont let that cloud your judgement. If this approach does work for you then carry on developing it and make it yours
Well said!
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:36 PM
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its a scam

here are the forum rules

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2. No advertising. Duh! We make you pay for that However, if you have over 50 posts we will allow you to put your personal/business links up provided that it is relevant to the topic that is being discussed. All links deemed as advertising/spamming will be deleted.

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SO in the beginning he says
I just want to give back.
Help my fellow traders. Hello everyone, i am your friend.

Then after 50 posts suddenly he wants to charge and says its now a paid service. Because now he can put up his link

Fine , but in this case he had a hundred posts.

This is what i am going to do too.
I am going to share a system and for 50-100 posts be like everyone, i am your friend, here is my system. i want to help the world forever.
This would make sense if Babypips was the only forum Oz posted to; but it wasn't by a longshot, and with threads like the one at FF (640 pages last I checked, and probably quite a few higher after today's announcement) where traffic was much higher, Oz was not timing his announcement to synchronize with his ability to put up a link after 50 posts here. So, this theory holds little (no) water.

Forget Oz. His method is productive, though the profitability calculations as Tony mentioned have been somewhat dubious, and his signals - daily and AES, not "Oz Special" - have at times completely deviated from the criteria on which they're based. By some measure, he did "give back", and while "taking the signals private" @ $250/mo. is repugnant and ridiculous, there's no sense dwelling on it. Yes, he built a following, and yes how he has gone about this shows he is opportunistic. But, as 4xstar alluded, the free market will sort out the plausibility of charging that amount. Keep in mind, though, that plenty of systems at Collective2 (google it, but be wary of what you find) charge around this amount per month. Bloated? Yes. Atypical? No.

As Tony or SP mentioned, take the method(s) (which can be found along with plenty of user-created variants - some that are consistently more profitable - very easily), make them your own and move on. As St. Paul says (albeit about something entirely different) in the Book of Titus: "Test everything; hold on to the good". Let the guy and his intentions go; they are worthless to everyone but him.

I, for one, am glad Oz made the signals - and himself - exclusive: cults of personality that arise around system originators are just like those that grow up around HYIP admins or affiliate marketing gurus are never positive for those beholden to them.

And, considered historically, realize the insignificance of what is happening here. Another creator of a popular system drops out of circulation. There were, are, and will be other systems created by other people with other motives, and they'll likewise share something and go away under whatever circumstances while elsewhere the world moves on.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:39 PM
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Come on guys...grow up! This is coming from a 19 year old. He gave us all the tools and signals so we could figure out his system and trade for ourselves. I never actually used his signals, just followed the entry/exit strategy on his website and I've been pretty succesful. If a 19 year old who just finished Babypips guide can do it, so can you!
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I started another thread where we can all move on .. take the best of what we've learned with us. Post Oz Support Group ... candarkitek has already posted a couple of new signals. Others are welcome. Let's go make some pips
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:02 PM
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I started another thread where we can all move on .. take the best of what we've learned with us. Post Oz Support Group ... candarkitek has already posted a couple of new signals. Others are welcome. Let's go make some pips
Sounds like a plan!!!!
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Hello Friends,

We had an outstanding month with +2980 Pips in the month of May. There were total 32 trades out of which 27 were winners.

Here is the breakdown per signal type.

1. Daily signals: 15 wins out of 16.
2. Oz Special: 7 wins out of 9
3. AES Signals: 5 wins out of 7

You can download the detailed spreadsheet here.

Cheers,
Oz

These are just words - no proof ever given. By the way you can also manipulate reports but it takes some work to do so. So I think he made a lost with his own system and was now trying to recover selling signals. No question the system seems to work for some time but the risk/reward relation is to high on the part of the risk.

I have a similar method that I use sometimes:

1) look at your slow stochastic (5,5,3) to be up 80 (overbought) or down 20 (oversold). When 80 look for the stoch-line going down, when 20 look for the stoch-line going up
2) take a look at a day chart and look at your 200 SMA so you can determine the trend of the pair - go always with the trend as it is "your friend"
3) look at a Harami-Formation of your candle sticks: the current bar must be less or equal to the bar of the left side. The current bar can have the same size as the previous bar but better if it less in size
4) buy when trend up and stoch-line going a little bit up - sell when trend down and stoch-line is going a little bit down
5) trade on a daily chart
6) wait for for some time - it can happen the you have gains after some minutes or after 8 to 10 hours. In the mean time you can experience a drawdown of 200 to 350 - specially with GBP/JPY, GBP/USD, GBP/CHF. Therefore your account must be managed that way that you can go into that deep
7) it works sometimes inmediately after the London opening - but you must wait 1/2 or 1 hour after the opening. Big drowdawns happen to be during the Tokyo opening. Also a good time is after the New York opening.
8) "What goes down must go up and vice versa" so the good thing is: if you made a trade in the direction of the trend you can be pretty sure that your trade will bring you some good pips
9) You can also trail but must be around 25/30 pips at least

My positive experience: it works almost to 90/95 % everytime. Gains are almost good
My negative experience: I am always in tension because of such big drowdawns - I must always take a look at my monitor at least every 2/3 hours - sometimes I waited between 15 and 20 hours for good results.

When to exit? Well, when you think you have enough gains - don't wait for too long

An alternative method:

1) look at your slow stochastic (5,5,3) to be up 80 (overbought) or down 20 (oversold). When 80 look for the stoch-line going down, when 20 look for the stoch-line going up
2) take a look at a day chart and look at your 200 SMA so you can determine the trend of the pair - go always with the trend as it is "your friend"
3) look at a Harami-Formation of your candle sticks: the current bar must be less or equal to the bar of the left side. The current bar can have the same size as the previous bar but better if it less in size
4) enter at a 15m chart - after you saw the harami-formation: the left bar must be bigger or equal to following bar. Enter after harami has formed.

Positive experience: it works most of the times. Gains are not that big but good enough
Negative experience: it is not easy to find a pair where the slow stochastic is around 80 or 20 and at the same time you have a harami formation


The most important point is: every method works for somebody. The problem is that you must find your own method. This is not an easy task and it can take months to years until you are in a position that you can say: it works - for me - most of the times. And even then you should go on learning anew because after some years the marked changes because of a new posibility like today trading online from your laptop etc. The market is always bigger than you - no one can ever beat the market. So your method should reflect this issue. This is not new and a lot of traders know this fact.

Chears
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:43 PM
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johannnes... the system you posted is already on here "Between 40-100 pips per Day" posted by James.

Honestly I kinda knew something like this would happen judging from the fact that he did not even know that babypips had a "school" which was suspicious... if I wanted to give back I would have given back to the forum that helped me achieve success not every possible forum I could find!

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Old 06-05-2008, 04:51 AM
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I think johannnes has hit the nail on the head, he`s come up with own system, like pretty much everyone else is capable of doing. Looking at candlestick patterns will also get you in a lot earlier then the ozfx system. Just my 2 cents worth!

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Old 06-05-2008, 08:04 AM
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Honestly I kinda knew something like this would happen judging from the fact that he did not even know that babypips had a "school" which was suspicious... if I wanted to give back I would have given back to the forum that helped me achieve success not every possible forum I could find!
Yes we have established that he is most like a scam artist, so if he got 10 or more people to pay for his "exclusive service" at "only" $249 a month ... then more power to him! What goes around, you know....

In the meantime .. I always liked the "squeeze play" better than the original OZ, it works off the 4 hour & 30 min. It is explained on the Oz forum, which is still up but if anyone wants it I can post the rules.

However for me, candlesticks trump everything. In forex, price action is what counts and candlesticks are the first to show that. If anyone has not yet read Tymen's candlestick thread under Newbie Island, I highly recommend it. No scam there, Tymen is truly "giving back"

If anyone wants to post signals in the Post-Oz Support Group thread, feel free; this thread has no real purpose any more, let's move on.
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