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Old 05-22-2008, 08:06 PM
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:18 PM
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Default The number of minutes doesnt really matter

just that normally it is at least 2 (120min) hours and could approach 3 hours (180min) and 144 was somehwere in between. 12x12 and fib whatever isnt really that significant. Just like if I use 20 50 for smas or 21 34 and 55 instead really isnt much different. For me many of these numbers however derived which are unpsychological are the ones I lean to instead of more common psychological numbers however significant, I like to lean away from.


I cannot dent the significance of the psychological whole numbers like 203.00 204.00 and so onlike that. Much of trading is psychological and I try to go the opposite way of the masses and what is fundemantally known even though I often also consult those things as another view of the possibilies.

Successful trading requires more than skillful use of indicators and any time I can do anything to deviate from the crowd I am often better off.
Trading GJ for me is more like a long game of chess. Sometimes she beats me and ocassionally even hard but the more I trade it the better I become at it and the more consistantly I beat her on a constant & steady basis

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Why 144 minutes (as opposed to, say, 145)? Because it's Fib series? That broaches a much larger topic if so.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:25 PM
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Default 206.50

I will be the last one to tell anyone fib numbers don't work,
regardless the .50s are huge numbers in GJ especially I think
so 206.50 is often normally going to cause resistance as if there is a line already drawn there. It was sure looking short at 206 too and I got short there and lost 30 pips If I held it all day I may have been able to get 10 pips out of it. I was just playing around testing the hedge button.
normally I never go short GJ, ever.

I also find SMA's just as good or better than fib numbers sometimes,
and if I dont draw those lines she wont see them!

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Price bounced off of the 1.618% Fib extension @ 206.52 (201.94-204.78) - pretty textbook rejection at that level, holding at least for the moment. I flipped my short around this morning based off a few technical criteria to take in quite a bit of the run, but I'm out at that level. Not trying to throw water on upward momentum (not that my post could do that, in any case), but figured knowing that level and why it's important could only help.
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:20 AM
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Default Existing home sales

I think we are in for a shocker here, And this number isn't going to be as bad as everyone expects. Watch for a small run down 30-50 pips, then when that wears off I expect a strong early day for GJ and an early weak
(low momentum) close.

I will be shearing 13 alpacas over the weekend if anyone wants to stop by.
A days work can be traded for some runs around the track to get the adrenalin pumping again.
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I will be shearing 13 alpacas over the weekend if anyone wants to stop by.
A days work can be traded for some runs around the track to get the adrenalin pumping again.
That sounds like fun .. and I am not that far away
Can't do it this weekend tho .. but let me know when there's more farm work to be done... or if there are strawberries to pick
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:29 AM
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Default 205 basically held

There was a little dip lower there briefly. I've got 10 lots at this point and am at 5% margin useage.

I am trying to get more long at 204.99 204.89 and 204.69 and so on down.
I have eliminated some of my closer spaced orders in case we get a run down into 204 around the home sales.

I do not want to use too much margin. I didn't really get many pips overnight as it was mostly rangebound right on 206 until 2:42 am at which time we had that run down to 5:42 am of about 130 pips as I suggested last night. I am loaded up on orders at this point waiting to rebound up,
or continued down so I can buy more longs cheaper.

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I am expecting some down overnight particularly between 2-5AM EDT.
I expect 205 to hold as hard support and am buying down to there conservatively. Below there my order spacing will decrease.
If 205 doesn't hold 204.10 should at which time I would have over 10 orders probably. Below that is 203.35 then 202.60, the same level that held before if you recall. I seriously doubt we will go anywhere near that low overnight but those are the levels. we are holding 206 nicely. My upward target is 209.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:04 AM
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Default Just as I expected

Home sales are slightly down from previously and the new news release,
came out as I expected, HIGHER than what others expected. SO we got a short run up and now we should be all clear for a strong bullish GJ day,
tapering off into an early close as traders will be going home early.

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I think we are in for a shocker here, And this number isn't going to be as bad as everyone expects. Watch for a small run down 30-50 pips, then when that wears off I expect a strong early day for GJ and an early weak
(low momentum) close.

I will be shearing 13 alpacas over the weekend if anyone wants to stop by.
A days work can be traded for some runs around the track to get the adrenalin pumping again.
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Another question for you that I was thinking of, which is (or would be) probably one of the most frequently asked questions about this method:

After pipsquito's experience a number of pages back, you mentioned in one place that long orders should be distributed between a high and a low, but that the concentration of orders should be bottom-heavy.

This makes good sense, of course, because you're total basis is lower as a result; but it also begs the question:

How do you know where "low" is going to be? "Lower" is easy enough: 204.99 is "lower" than 205.00; but 204.99 isn't low on a decline from 205.50 to 202. If the idea is to buy "low", there has to be some way to gauge the extent of a decline; otherwise one would simply be pulling the old "it just can't go any lower than this" rationalization - which we all know is a load of garbage because any pair, and this one foremost, can do whatever it wants and doesn't respect the losing trader's idea of a "reasonable" move against them. I know you use economic releases - and perhaps SMAs - to get a general idea of where a bottom might be, but what else do you do to ensure the concentration of orders is "low" and not just "lower"?

Btw: be wary of a close on H1 that holds below 204.64.

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Old 05-23-2008, 12:12 PM
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Default In the trenches

I have been scalping a few here and there and getting in long lower. margin is exactly 7.0% at 204.77. with 12 lots.

THis stagnating around 204.80 is odd. I would have thought after that housing report we would have contiuned in a gradual uptrend for the rest of the day.

But we have the 3 day weekend and maybe many traders don't want to get in today as they wouldn't want to sit for 3 days with the markets closed w/ open positions.

We are OK sitting 3 days with our longs, as if it goes down lower that is ok as we can get more longs cheaper and be in a better position for the ride back up. And most importantly wee don't have to worry about someone hunting our stop loss orders.

I don't care what any broker will tell you that they don't hunt stop losses.
That is BS. I have years of FILLED stop loss orders! and I have SL orders filled at one price to the pip and then the market reverses back up with a fury. Most brokers hunt stop losses for a living. No different than...
most politicians lie and steal from us, despite what they will admit.
But that is OK, those that lie and steal SHALL be cut off, and those they lie to and steal from will NOT be punished for the actions of the lieing theives.
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:27 PM
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Pipsquito was doing multiple units and had THTM and had way exceeded safe margin. You have to figure that at any given time GJ can easily fall 700-1000 pips. Part of what I do is get in with higher losing longs and hold them for interest. Then I scalp in range and do best when we are rangebound,
or after a quick run down and a long run back up.

I use support and resistance, psychological numbers, I casuyally monitor GU and UJ and anything related to any of these three pairs. I use PSAR and dojis to show me reversals. I am always trying to sell off longs for small profits and rebuy long lower when I am sitting here and see the market turning.
I use RSI and momentum. Stochastic RSI, several fast and slower stochastics with LT and ST settings. I also like the stochastic momentum
give me a nive momentum wave.

I am not sure how I see these levels, only occasionally do I look at fibinocci,
it is as if I do it in my mind and more heavily rely on sma's and psychological numbers than fib's.

I also am unsure of how I gauge the distance I expect a downward trend to continue before reversing. SOmetimes I even surpsie myself predicting GJ.
AFter years of follwing GJ, you just get a feel for it or something.

The mentality here is different than regular trading. HEre I am counting on 700-1000 pip moves being possible and counting on drawndown.
Obviously the more times price bounces off a level weather high or low the stronger that point is I think. Where the big swings come is with big momentum traders entering the market as they make it move fast and those little traders sitting and watching see the quick movement get a feeling or something then jump suddenly in.

As you bounce off a bottom several times you know it is stronger and spacing then should be like 10 pips. But if it keeps making a little bit lower low. YOu have to scalp them for whatever you canget sell your one long and get in lower each time and sell it agin for whatr you can get and get in lower again. All the while you are slowly building equity.

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Another question for you that I was thinking of, which is (or would be) probably one of the most frequently asked questions about this method:

After pipsquito's experience a number of pages back, you mentioned in one place that long orders should be distributed between a high and a low, but that the concentration of orders should be bottom-heavy.

This makes good sense, of course, because you're total basis is lower as a result; but it also begs the question:

How do you know where "low" is going to be? "Lower" is easy enough: 204.99 is "lower" than 205.00; but 204.99 isn't low on a decline from 205.50 to 202. If the idea is to buy "low", there has to be some way to gauge the extent of a decline; otherwise one would simply be pulling the old "it just can't go any lower than this" rationalization - which we all know is a load of garbage because any pair, and this one foremost, can do whatever it wants and doesn't respect the losing trader's idea of a "reasonable" move against them. I know you use economic releases - and perhaps SMAs - to get a general idea of where a bottom might be, but what else do you do to ensure the concentration of orders is "low" and not just "lower"?

Btw: be wary of a close on H1 that holds below 204.64.
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