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Old 10-13-2008, 11:40 PM
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hi, where is everbody? this thread is so quiet..

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Old 10-13-2008, 11:58 PM
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Hi Zeno,

I think the orginator of the thread Tess plus her sister Jocelyn and their work colleague Jimmy will no longer be contributing to the thread so it has gone a little quiet.

After that huge pin bar (a trigger bar that I think merits further attention to use in conjunction with the tools provided in this thread) at 2.45 on your chart I considered this to be trend reversal and as such didn't consider the short that you took as to me this would now be trading against the trend.

At this point at time I always try to trade with the trend but maybe you are more advanced and feel confident doing that.

I did take the trade a little further up, the ib bar at 1.7313 that signalled the continuation of the trend. Got in at 1.7344 and got half out at 65 pips profit and the rest is still going.

To me this was a safer trade but anyone is welcome to correct me.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:28 AM
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I think the orginator of the thread Tess plus her sister Jocelyn and their work colleague Jimmy will no longer be contributing to the thread so it has gone a little quiet.
I wasn't sure if jimmy was going to make another appearance,
seems not.

I would therefore like to thank Tess, Jos & Jimmy for their
contributions to this forums, & wish them all the best for
the future.

For the discerning reader the whole concept of a winning
formulae are mapped out in these pages & if there are any
questions there are still traders about who will attempt an
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Yep a good trade zenocorp, off an inside bar, during a retrace
in the asian session. S/L would have been? 1.7440-50? With T/P as
you have it on the last swing low. Nice little bonus to wake up to.
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Yep a good trade zenocorp, off an inside bar, during a retrace
in the asian session. S/L would have been? 1.7440-50? With T/P as
you have it on the last swing low. Nice little bonus to wake up to.
my SL is at 1.7442, few pips above the highest candle.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:41 PM
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This has been a great thread overall so far. This post has really helped me tie some ideas together. I've really been noticing some neat behavior after plotting SR lines of different importance, and have been surprised to see how price reacts.

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You might want to avoid burning holes in your eyes observing, analysing & basing your conclusions on & around individual or small groups of candles/bars on micro timeframes.

Candles printing on sub hourly timeframes are merely ‘timing triggers’ at best.

The higher up the quality (timeframe) scale you go, the more time you’ll have to properly & better assess the psychology playing out at particular zones & levels on the ladder.

As has already been alluded to throughout this thread, the participants who really move the flows around on these instruments pay little or no attention to sub hourly timeframes as a reference point.

I’m not saying you can’t successfully integrate them into a profitable model, but you’ll get far more bang for your buck if your main structure & accompanying (technical) analysis is conducted via the slightly larger timeframe charts.

Basing the majority of your trading off micro timeframes with the sole intention of reducing & controlling risk is one of the biggest & most dangerous misnomers out there.

As you’re finding out to your (lost opportunity) cost, when price action butts up against increased volatility and/or periods of intense psychology, getting too close to the flames will burn your ass.

The only way you’re going to stay aboard these bucking bronco’s is to compromise.
That equates to giving your trades a little more room to not only develop, but also confirm that the current scenario still holds water.
That might require re-calibrating your position sizing to reflect a balanced risk/cost bias on your account or re-structure the way you arrive at your trade decisions.

I’ve copied this passage from Jimmy’s post (#781) on Sunday evening:

Most professional players will feed or compound into a run. So, at the point of entry (particularly if it’s some kind of breakout play), they’ll sling out a feeder stake to test the waters. If the price action pulls back & then plays out ok, & the move attracts decent participation, they’ll compound into it as it opens out (via pullbacks) until they aggregate their full exposure or positional % for that trade. That’s commonly known as “adding to a winner”

If you aim to work towards that principle when you get your account up to speed it will stand you in good stead across all trading conditions.

I’ve worked with a good number of professional traders & most pro’s that work their own money & actually use technical charts as part of their work sheet, avoid the (micro) gambling timeframes like the plague unless there’s a very good or clear reason to get dirty down there.
Generally there’s little or no value for them that far down the quality scale.

What does that tell you?

Tessa & Jocelyn have given quite a few examples of marrying up gambling (micro) triggers with higher, quality grade timeframe analysis. But don’t be fooled that they base their management structures around them.

Those two, along with their other siblings, have been exposed to this industry since they could first walk & talk. The firm we work for is run by their Parents & Uncles. Hauling that kind of experience around from an early age affords you plenty of options where trading money is concerned.

Point I’m making?
It might just pay dividends to steer a slightly different course to the majority of those folks who endorse laying your money down on these ridiculous systems and/or punting via short timeframe technical charts.

And on that note -
that’s me done with my babysitting duties. Jim is back in the saddle later tonight.

Nice to make your acquaintance. All the very best to you guys in your future endeavors. Take good care now,

Art Krantz.
After reading this post, I realize that everytime I get into trouble with a bad trade, I've dropped down to the M15 or less time frame. And your right, I think that I'm reducing risk by going shorter in time frame.

I wish I could stick with the H1 - H4 - D1 for a top down view, making decisions based on the H4 and maybe use a M15 for entry. But sooner or later I always gravitate down to the hour, then the 15 and even at the M5. Especially when the market gets slow. Even with all the great new understanding, my only success is still on the 15 or less. otherwise it's stop loss city, even if I open my stops to accommodate movement.

The exception was yesterday. I watched double tops and head and shoulder patterns unfold for the first time, I watched price react favorably to SR lines I plotted with my plans in place. If only I hadn't missed the entries by not paying attention while doing other work!

So why is it so hard to stick to longer TF's?

I'm also noticing that proper chart observation requires something of a clear head. There are times where good decisions are obvious and it's almost like I'm in a trading euphoria, then other times I look at charts and can't see a thing.
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I'm also noticing that proper chart observation requires something of a clear head. There are times where good decisions are obvious and it's almost like I'm in a trading euphoria, then other times I look at charts and can't see a thing.
This phenomenon can be credited to a few problems,
trying too hard is one, forcing the trades, tiredness, maybe
after a busy day in the day job is another.

When this occurs leave the charts alone, walk away, get an
early night, read a book, do anything but trade.

It will still be here when you get back.

There is no rush where trading in concerned.

It also needs time for this thread to fully sink in, some
of the concepts take time to acclimatise in the brain.

What I am trying so badly to say is this system needs patience,
which you cannot learn from a book.
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First post on baby pips.

Just spent the last few days reading through this thread - which I assume is no longer very active - Thanks for all the marvellous info you have shared. I am in awe of what you guys have put together. What I liked most of all was the way you didn't often give direct answers when asked people questions, rather, you'd helpfully point people in right direction by asking them their reasons for taking a particular trade...thus making individuals question and take responsibility for themselves.
I hope to use a lot of the content to instill self-confidence and improve my own trading...which lately has become inconsistent, riddled with self doubt and fear!!! This thread has made refocus and seperate the trees from wood.

Thanks very much again and good luck with your new endeavours.
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which I assume is no longer very active
It is here it is a great resource & I point traders in this direction
if they are interested, but most of the protagonists have moved
on to other projects, not to say that there are not still some about
who will answer queries raised on this thread.

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What I liked most of all was the way you didn't often give direct answers when asked people questions, rather, you'd helpfully point people in right direction by asking them their reasons for taking a particular trade.
This is the essence of trading, plus the maxim,

"Give a person a fish & he will eat today,
teach a person to fish & they will eat for the rest of their lives"

Have fun.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:35 AM
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It is here it is a great resource & I point traders in this direction
if they are interested, but most of the protagonists have moved
on to other projects, not to say that there are not still some about
who will answer queries raised on this thread.



This is the essence of trading, plus the maxim,

"Give a person a fish & he will eat today,
teach a person to fish & they will eat for the rest of their lives"

Have fun.
I agree with dd. I myself had used the template provided here and add with other stuffs to have my own strategy. I strongly recommend any newbie who have finished the school of babypips to spend some time reading this thread. It will help alot in your trading career.
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I’m still getting e-mail prompts the odd occasion a fresh comment is relayed on this thread, & am glad that new, as well as more established posters on Babypips continue to find the information helpful in constructing their own templates & strategy models.

The core price action behaviors contained within the thread work.
The primary reason they work is that they’re based around trader psychology.

Don’t lose sight of the key driver of price momentum – prices move up because demand overwhelms supply…….prices move down because supply overwhelms demand.

That driver might last a day, it might last a month, it might last 6 months (dependant on your view & timeframe of your chosen instrument etc) – point being, look for levels & zones that dictated the action & influenced the psychology on previous visits & see how you can adopt that information to offer you an edge out there.

I’ll try answer any queries & questions that can’t be addressed by other posters as time permits, but unfortunately the activity won’t be anywhere near as regular as before.

Good luck & good trading all.
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