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Old 12-29-2007, 11:37 AM
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Default 2 much thinking?

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First, congratulations Surfer on a successful 2007.

I want to know how successful it really was. How can I calculate APY based on the statistics here? If you had started with a $5000 account, and traded two mini lots at a time (max 50p SL means never more than 2% at risk in any trade), you would have doubled your money. Not bad. Would that example be a 100% APY?

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Cumulative Stats  	 

Total:              +2596 Pips
Number of Trades    234
Number of Wins 	     131
Number of Losses    98 (5 breakeven)
Win % 	             57%
Average Win: 	     36
Average Loss: 	     20
Average Pips/Month  +210
R-Multiple 	     131.64
Also, I understand that the R-Multiple is the reward:risk ratio, but why do we add it together from all of the trades? Why don't we just take the average win:average loss? What does that 131.64 actually tell us?

If we take our average loss of 20p and multiply it by our R value, we get ~2600, which is what the overall pip gain was. Is this the correct usage?

Since our SL levels are based on different market conditions (i.e. where the latest swing high or low is,) what do multiple R-multiples of -1 really mean? Yes, we lost all of what we were prepared to lose on the trade, but what if this happened:

Three trades: two losers (R=-1) and one winner with R=2.2. We see that if we add our Rs, we get +0.2. How do we extract meaning from this, if we don't know what our stops were? If we knew that the stops were all identical, we would know that we came out ahead (say, -20*2 + 44 = +4). Since we don't know what the stops were, an R of 0.2 could mean two trades of -50 (R=-1 with 50p SL), and one trade of +44 (R=2.2 with 20p SL), which would be an overall loss (-50*2 + 44 = -56.)

So again, why do we add R-multiples over a long timeframe?
Wow Cosgrove, I got a headache just reading this, way to deep for my little mind, LOL. I just look at the bottom line 2600 pips gained over the last year avg 210 pips a month with only one loss month of -51 pips. 1 full contract brought in $26,000 for the year If you trade mult contracts, hello Vacation land and good-bye JOB. Sound, simple system. Hope it continues in 2008 I'm already making plans to spend next winter in Hawaii
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:12 PM
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Sorry craig, didn't mean to get too math-y, I'm just trying to get a handle on how to gague the performance of trading systems.

You could have a system that netted you 5000 pips, but only had like 20 trades (19 winners of 200 pips and 1 loser of 1000 pips, which would be a ridiculous system, this is just an example). Then one would imagine "oh I'm going to trade the 5000 pip system in 2008 instead of the 2600 pip system!" When really the 2600 pip system might be a safer bet.
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Old 12-30-2007, 07:25 AM
 

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Thanks Jeff

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I don't use daily charts or do any swing trading, so I have no experience there I could offer you. However, I am almost certain that this forum has a bunch and the ForexFactory.com forum would have a bunch more. But I don't think a lot about daily charts is there.

Jeff
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:44 PM
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Sorry craig, didn't mean to get too math-y, I'm just trying to get a handle on how to gague the performance of trading systems.

You could have a system that netted you 5000 pips, but only had like 20 trades (19 winners of 200 pips and 1 loser of 1000 pips, which would be a ridiculous system, this is just an example). Then one would imagine "oh I'm going to trade the 5000 pip system in 2008 instead of the 2600 pip system!" When really the 2600 pip system might be a safer bet.
I see what your getting at. I would say this system is not a get rich quick plan but does consistently captures portions of the market over time, sometimes little gains sometimes larger. I have been very pleased with the system I only wish I lived in another time zone and didn't have to get up during the night to trade. But that is a small price to pay in my opinion. Good-Luck
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i am new here and i want to know how i can to open a *.ex4 files on any program i can edite it
thx..:-)
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Default 1st cowa trade for me today..

...will we see a continuation of the cable down trend from last week, or do we need to see higher prices than this morning's efforts before the next leg down?
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:10 PM
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...will we see a continuation of the cable down trend from last week, or do we need to see higher prices than this morning's efforts before the next leg down?
Lost 40 pips on the earlier short and currently short again, with one lot off and a second trailing...
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:34 PM
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Default When is a trend considered to be over?

Hi evryone,

In the Cowabunga system, do you consider the trend to still be in existance as long as, on the 4-hr chart, the EMA(5) doesn't cross the EMA(10) in the opposite direction to the trend?

If this is not the case, what are the things one needs to monitor on the 4-hr chart to determine that a trend one had been working from no longer exists?

Thank you for your input.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:31 PM
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Hi evryone,

In the Cowabunga system, do you consider the trend to still be in existance as long as, on the 4-hr chart, the EMA(5) doesn't cross the EMA(10) in the opposite direction to the trend?

If this is not the case, what are the things one needs to monitor on the 4-hr chart to determine that a trend one had been working from no longer exists?

Thank you for your input.
As I understand this, the 4hr trend is intact until the MAs cross in the opposite direction. The MA crosses take precedence in trend change and trade direction decision making. The stoch and RSI indicators are referred to on the 4hr at the point the MAs cross, to determine whether the MA cross is a valid cowabunga trend change.
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:01 PM
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Thank you, Cowaboi.
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