COT Report Analysis - a thread on market sentiment

Hey fellas!

Well I have good news to report. See this morning I did set up my GBP trades that I determined this past weekend. Told you all about them. I have about 4 on hold. So I did put in the buy stop orders. And, well, one of them did take. GBP/JPY buy at 172.70. And I peek in on what’s going, on my tablet. (I can’t trade on that, just monitor the market). So I see that one just took off today. Yay!! So, I’m up to 30 pips and leveling off there now. I’m really excited to finally see something that was planned kick in and produce for me. I can’t do anything about it now until I get home, in about 2 hrs from now. So, then I will determine if I want to run all the way to where my TP is at, or just take profit. It’s predetermined level is up to the next major resistance level.

I’ll keep you informed.

Oh, that reminds me. I do have a GBP/NZD in place.( Going up). And that might do something crazy. In a little over 1 hr from now that’s gonna fly somewhere. (NZD news)
Man…I better fly home.

Mike

Hi Philip and rookie (Mike and flows would be also good),

I have been looking for quite a long time today for a COT Indicator. I have found one, but you all have to test it as I tried to find the best combination and settings but I am sure some of them are not the right yet. It was really time demanding to find all the right settings. I still think it is a huge edge and we should do it!

Please follow the instructions, check how it looks and write your ideas and suggestions:

  1. Go to the Commodity Futures & FOREX Charts | Commitments of Traders Database website
  2. Click on the top to COT
  3. Choose on the left hand side [I]COT Index[/I] and give the value [I]26[/I] for weeks
  4. Click on the left hand site on Large and Specs, then they disappear. We only want to see Comms on the index.
  5. Click on the top on “W” to have a weekly chart.
  6. Click on the top on “indicator” and choose 1 line MA (I also clicked on “candle” but it is your choice to use candlesticks or bar chart)
  7. Very important to select on the bottom 3y time period as the original setting is only 6m which is not much of a use.
    (8. For any other currencies or markets you have to click on “Symbol” and choose the one you want to have.)

If you follow these 7 steps you are there where I think we can start looking for signals. (As far as I see we are just about to getting a sell AUD signal.)

[I]Problems to solve[/I]:

  1. I do not know how we can change the 21 MA to 52 MA. Is it even possible?
  2. Also I do not understand clearly the 3 COT categories: Large, Comm and Specs. We use Comm and Large for the same use. So here you might suggest something, I used for now the Comms.

[I]Advantage[/I]: we can find all markets, not only currencies. We can click it through for great setups.

[I]Disadvantage[/I]: I actually wanted an indicator for my charts. That way it would be enough to set it up and click it through. This is a website and makes it more complicated, it is also never saved.

[I]How to use it?[/I]
We use it for bullish market as a buy signal when the index goes above 80 and use it for a bearish market as a sell signal when the index is under 20. (For the trend we use the MA. The moving average should be though 52 weeks and not 21)

As I said, it is not perfect but in some hours this was the best I could manage. Still a lot better than nothing, especially if it gives some great signals.

Great, the only problem for me is that it doesn’t allow me to see other currencies. Plus I remember us looking a while back at this site and concluding that its stats were not accurate. I will test the strategy though.

We will also have the same problem of too many signals. I was wondering if Williams posted the time frame over which he took his trades with that symbol. I remember him taking 17 trades with the pound, but over how long?

Morning Philip!

I’m down with EURAUD already, might have been a little early but I’m anticipating a positive data for AUD, correction from last time - employment data that came out quite bad - but it turned out it was only the headline and every else was good I read. Its 200+ pips all the way down to previous lows we’ll see how that goes…

Good job Mike! well I hope you did get on GBPNZD , I was planning to wake up then but was late - I saw some NZD pairs headed down - NZD heading down , rate stays the same and inflation not up to forecast.

I see lots of opportunities guys its hard to resist. But I’m constantly reminding myself to stick with the plan.

I’ve got long orders for AUDJPY hoping for some good news for AUD - AUD started correcting back up since NY session yesterday we’ll see Mikes stats on that hopefully by today. And I’ve got 3 EURUSD positions going - hopefully Draghi won’t bring another surprise!

Hi guys!
Here comes Wednesday.

GBP: +7 -0 0
CAD: +6 -1 0
USD: +5 -2 0
EUR: +4 -3 0
CHF: +2 -4 1
AUD: +2 -4 1
NZD: +0 -6 1
JPY : +0 -6 1

Majors took this one also. +3

So the week goes like this:
Monday: M +8
Tuesday: M +12
Wednesday: M +3

We kind of knew that this week was going to the Majors. After a 4 in a row for Comms.

Majors vs. Comms

GBP: +3 -0 0
CAD: +4 -1 0
USD: +2 -1 0
EUR: +2 -1 0
CHF: +1 -1 1
AUD: +1 -3 1
NZD: +0 -4 1
JPY : +0 -2 1

Notes:
CAD was the only strong Comm. And pretty strong. Only down against GBP, and up against all else.
USD strong. Only down against GBP and CAD.

So, fellas. I have some good news.
I killed it! I did good today. Like I mentioned earlier, I made it with GBP/JPY. So when I got home today I checked…“holy moly, look at my account!!” Not only was I up with that one, but my GBP/NZD got triggered also. So I quickly ran the numbers and took profit on those 2. Up 44.3 pips on the Yen, and 50.8 on the NZD.
Therefore I have made my quota for the month. Yes, I have made 223 pips so far this month. That’s my goal. And you know what that means. I am done for the month. I’m up 21.6% for the month. And I want to keep that. I know it just sounds silly, “I’m a trader and I’m not going to trade?”…Right. I keep thinking about this.
I want this so bad, that I’m not going to blow it. Sure, I’ll still run the numbers. Keep up on what’s going on. Even think of good set ups to watch for…etc…etc…Play around on my demo account as I do.
I got what I want and need for the month. Now I will concentrate on a good plan for next month.
I will get back to reading my macroeconomics book. Even try to figure out your COT index issue.

I’m very happy guys.

Mike

I’m happy for you Mike!

You’ve done your job for the month Mike and its only second week of Sep, 21.6% is good enough wait not even that yes you killed it :35:. I think its better to just sit aside until next month. But you need to keep yourself updated - a lot things happen especially now that the volatility is back. Sticking with your plan sure does work isn’t it.

Hey guys…

I have a lot of catching up to do FE on your regular posts from books and COT index. Give me a day i will be on it!

So AUD data came out just as expected better reading than previous and I closed one of my EURAUD at +50 pips it jumped all the way to +80pips in a matter of seconds after the release I feel bad that I didn’t TP then so is my AUDJPY still going much of the gain is gone probably due to some profit taking. I’m thinking guys… besides having what we do COT report - bias - pairing strong v weak - and plus - news. I mean some of you might already do this but I don’t or I wasn’t aware of this. I try to steer clear from trading the news only however seeing how my EURAUD went up +80pips in a matter of seconds from some minor loss made me think we’ve got our bias and strong v weak pair and news releases doing some reading and searching we can sort of gauge how that will come out - we do have our expectations /intuition works here as well/ I feel this way we can fully take advantage - or maybe an edge ? So I’ve been thinking about this and I will incorporate that into my trading from next week onwards and will work on it. Now this approach is purely from specs following non comms type of trading I assume - I’m just trying to refine and tweak things a little here and there. I see Mikes already doing it incorporating the news and had killed it :59:. I hope you guys understand what I’m trying to say.

I used to avoid news altogether and that was for a good reason but now that we follow specs move and pair strong v weak with little bit of reading prior the news release to get an idea how that will turn out to be and in anticipation of that I place my orders just like what I did with EURAUD trade. I might have done this in the past but I wasn’t aware guys. So this trade was the first trade that I was aware and I had expectation for AUD employment data sounds risky but we’ve got our bias and strong v weak pairs to back it up I just thought its worth giving it a shot. Well now I feel bad I didn’t take that 80pips came in just few seconds - I should probably let it go I’ll do better on next trade that will be carried out in a similar fashion.

See you around guys! I hope you’re all doing good!

First Rookie congrats on calling the AUD data, well done. Secondly, don’t be too hard on yourself because no one has gone broke making 50 or 20 pips instead of 80. I’m in the trade myself, its actually one of the trades I want to play the entire month so I’ll see when I get out. I’m in a long GBP/JPY position as well.

Mike well done on achieving a great return. One thing you will find hard is not trading set ups that occur this month that you think are winners. I just wanted to write to remind you not to take them, because the following month you will have similar set ups and you will need them more to fulfill your target.

FE, I have been playing with the chart you provided for some hours now because I got excited. I have been trying to come up with some entry techniques that can work with such a long term set up. I have some ideas but not conclusive. I know that Larry Williams has a course that discusses more than 5 possible entry techniques but I do not feel its worth paying $250 just for that. You might know someone who bought the course and might help you with what the techniques were.

The other thing I was thinking about as to why we could have so many signals: 1) the reason you mentioned which is that may be the index is used on the 7 pairs and not necessarily the crosses. If we bear in mind that the dollar has been so strong, it is normal that we find almost every currency at an extreme. Because all the 7 pairs are at extreme highs and lows for the past 6 months. Even AUD when you think about it has been doing really well against USD and managed to get to the 0.94 before selling off. If we see a change in AUD’s index next week, then may be this theory has its merit. Gold however is nowhere near a bottom despite its capitulation, which could also indicate that the rare signals could be a feature of commodities rather than FX.

It is also important to note that Williams said in his book that he wouldn’t just take a trade based on “this”, referring to the system. But that it rather helped him highlight possible set ups.

Thanks Philip! I’ve actually got two more positions still running on EURAUD I’ll keep them for a while. I just had to close the one that I opened prior the data to make myself feel better. I know sounds silly. But it works for me.

GBPJPY long sounds good , now that the Scotland independence vote is out of the way - pound is getting stronger. I haven’t been in any pound trades lately but I will when I see a good opportunity.

FE… about the website I know we did discuss about the website earlier and concluded it wasn’t reliable - you’re right Philip. But I saw someone using the website at another forum. I’ll take a look once again and will let you know what I think.

We’ve got Feds monetary policy statement coming next week on 18th Sep. I did some reading on that and we can expect changing of some words - to raise interest rates sooner than later could send dollar up against major currencies again. Specs are after this. So I might look for a good set up to ride dollar up.

Hi FE,

I’ve been using that site for a while. Erh, I thought you guys are already familiar with it since the site is mentioned somewhere in the babypips school. To change the MA value, simply select the gear icon for settings. Large is for the non-commercials, Commercial is for the commercials, Speculators is for the non-reportable positions in COT reports.


Hey flow!

To be honest I was a little reluctant to use that site as a signal. I’m not even sure if there’s a way to check the datasheet to see if there’s any error. We don’t have that fancy chart and all we’ve got is our raw numbers on excel sheet - and to be frank I find Philip’s COT index more reliable. Don’t get me wrong thats just my thoughts flow. I might well be wrong you’ve been using it for a while so you should be the one to judge not me. I see it as an indicator nothing more and nothing less.

Hi rookie,

Ah, ok, I see. Yes, I use it mostly for confirmation, to increase setups’ probability, as I rely more on technicals. Anyway, what’s up with GBP? My 5 GU short positions were slaughtered there :smiley:

Hey guys…

Here’s something on Ukraine/Russia conflict. So EU is putting second round of sanctions on hold for few days as 70% of pro russian troops /or russian we never know apparently Putin denies that they’re russian troops :55:/ pull out of Ukraine. The planned sanctions include barring some Russian state-owned defense and energy companies from raising capital in the EU. The U.S. and EU are also poised to halt billions of dollars in oil exploration by prohibiting cooperation in Russia’s Arctic, deep seas or shale formations, according to three U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

If they go ahead with another round of sanctions to halt Russian energy companies to raise capital in EU does it mean oil price will rocket high - CAD getting stronger but relative to dollar weakening - as US got plenty of reserve to fill the national demand ? I also read another article somewhere just this morning that US is standing firm on going ahead with sanctions as for EU some member countries are reluctant.

This is something I’ve been thinking about, and I think it could interest you too [B]FE[/B] So we have a three-year COT index which tells us that the commercials are mildly bullish on GBP. On the other hand the shorter term, 6 month extreme formed a bottom. This to me sounds like a useful buy signal, or at least a no-sell signal. It could explain what happened with GBP, at least from a sentiment POV.

Confirmation , sounds a lot better than relying on it for a signal.

As for pound FE might have better explanation as I haven’t been following pound lately

Hi Philip,

Combining different time frames for an accurate signal sounds like a good idea but why 3 years and 6 months ?

I don’t think we have to have an index as long as we’ve got our raw data on excel sheet. Well if you can construct an index and incorporate that into your charting system that’d great.

Good morning guys.

Well, if you haven’t already, check out the GBP. They are on the move up. Man, if I would’ve stuck with my original take profit targets plan, they all would’ve taken, no problem. But, I achieved my predominant goal. And that counts more to me.

I’ve been saying all along how they have so much catching up to do. They were on top, by so much this year, and then dropped so much recently. And now they just have so many pips awaiting them, moving back up.

I’m curious to see if they will get to the point of being trending ++ against everyone. In my lingo ++ means: the first + is long term (weekly chart determined) trending high. And the second + is short term (daily chart determined) trending high. If so, that would mean there are many many pips to be coming.

I’m just throwing that out there. They have more room to grow than anyone else at this point.
And (like everyone is saying) I know that we have to watch what happens to that country coming up next week.

But, in any case, be careful guys.
I’m always with you.

Mike

Hey Mike!

Now that the volatility is back I’m easily seeing pairs move hundreds of pips in a single session. For someone that has wide SL it’s a lot to take. EURAUD isn’t doing good even with wide SL. I doubt AUD even more. And this reminds me of you saying going for the underdogs as they’ve got more potential.

Looking at EUR correction against AUD it’s almost as if trend has reversed. Well we were aware that EUR was at extreme bottom from a while ago. Just last week everyone was betting down on EUR. And then the dollar looks like the hype is coming to an end soon. We’ll see. If that’s the case I have to swallow quite a big loss on EURAUD trades.

I think EURAUD will fall come 5pm GMT or 8 pm GMT, I’ll see how it goes.

Sorry I meant the six year index I have. I don’t feel the need to have the COT index on my chart since it changes every week anyways. So my spreadsheet is more than enough. But it does look GBP is on a rise and I’m already in the GBPJPY I wanted to enter this month. GBP is now up against USD as well for this week.

I’m not sure if what we are seeing this week is the start of an AUD selling, especially that its at an extreme on the 6 month COT index.

Hi hard working team,
here are my reactions for the many posts:

Philip,
you can change the currencies with clicking on the Symbol signal. I found it also after a while but it works. Williams traded on the weekly charts. This makes sense as the COT Report comes out weekly, he uses the 52 weekly MA and the 26 weeks COT Index. You have a great memory, I know we used this site and did not like it too much. For this reason I wrote it is definitely better than nothing and we can give it a try. As I do not see any other sites with such a source, at this point I do not have a choice. The charts I checked gave only a few signals, which looks promising. I make a print screen to show what I see and we can compare our findings! I will definitely not pay $250 for entry techniques. I do believe I find everything I need on the forums or in books about that. I just look for the signals on the weekly charts and then enter maybe on a 4H TF. The only thing I do not get how come you have so many signals. I looked at the 3 years AUD/USD chart and found two signals! That is not much. Keep in mind, only because COT Index is in extreme it is not a signal. The MA has to confirm it. And only to the direction of the trend. Now these circumstances reduce the signals. BTW the 2nd signal is about to occur soon. I post it. You might have a point with the signal difference in comm. vs fx. I cannot say anything about that at this point. I also do agree not making the trades only based on this. But the setups look good and then we can decide if it matches our bias and look for an ideal setup based on technicals.

rookie,
AUD really really really disappointed me. I said I will watch out with it, I think I will not even open more trades in the near future. Have you seen the great jobs report? There was a very positive reaction which was faded in a couple of hours! Even if there was negative Chinese data out there, it should have not been faded! I hope it is the geopolitical risk because of ISIS. That would be the only argument that AUD is still strong but there is risk off sentiment. 1 report usually do not change my bias but it was extremely strong jobs report and faded in a very short-time which is something important to remember later on. We should not be desperate though, carry trade is also on our side.

BTW I am lost with you rookie. I thought you are from the USD. But if you wanted to wake up for NZD statement then the question remains in which continent do you actually live?

And you do get the one day to catch up with COT index and the book recaps Thanks for checking out the timecharting site and for the feedback.

Ok, I just read in another post that you closed your AUD trades. Good job and good for you. I slept and did not. At least you got out the right time with a retracement. With you writing about the news. Hmmm…. I find it a long shot. On one side I do think if you trade in the direction of your bias, in the long-term you come out good (at this time long with USD before news, short with EUR and short with NZD). On the other side I find it almost impossible to forecast a very single report. Have you thought for example that US NFP is going to be weak after so strong reports? I think going long with the next 100 USD news, we have a chance of being right 65%-70% of the time. But to say it for an exact report I have no clue to do so. That is why I either like to trade in the direction of my bias or later to fade the news. I like news trading so I want to see what you come up. However keep thinking about it as it is a risky business. Do not forget how disappointed you were when you lost some of the news trading. It is not to encourage you, only to remember that it can also go wrong pretty fast. Your pair decision (AUD/EUR) was definitely good, and I think it was good you did not take the +80 pips. Chance for good that there will be a follow through vs. the EUR. You had a positive edge so gaining “only” +50 pips was definitely worth the risk. (Just read now Philip says the same for this last issue.) Regarding you last post, AUD hype might be over but USD will last; that is how I see. But anything can of course happen.

Mike,
you made a good grade with GBP/NZD good job. Actually I think you made it good because you found the edge. This time the edge was that NZD brings mostly bad data out which suggests you had a more than 50% chance to win. Good work.
I am glad you reached your goal for the month. As you say, it takes discipline to analyze but do not trade for 3 weeks. I could not do that. And it is great that you have the time to figure out the important COT index.

flows,
thanks for the MA change setting. I knew that 10 eyes see more than 2 and we can get this one. Also thanks how the different groups here explained. I find it strange though why speculators are the non-reportable. However it is like this and we work like that.

To all of you,

I am also skeptical with the site but still give it a try. I checked now some of the data, random picked from COT report. They were accurate. The problem is that you have so many settings with time frames, bars etc. that I find the site not efficient and not user friendly. I think the false data comes not from the bad site but from the tough settings and if we do not pay attention we have bad settings and these produce bad results.

And guys, please fingers crossed for my XAG/USD trade. It got triggered. As Philip said, here are the pips different so big money will be made or lost. Would be great to have a run here and correct a bit my exotic currencies.

Ok, now I need a break after reading about 20-25 posts. But first I post the charts I said.