COT Report Analysis - a thread on market sentiment

Good morning rookie,

thanks a lot for the link! I woke up and opened my charts, had no idea what is going on. I looked the fundamentals and was no report scheduled. And then I saw your link. I closed the remaining long NZD positions. I change my sentiment bias on NZD.

I always think the best way to understand sentiment is the reaction later on for the news. If currencies are strong they bounce back. If they are weak, they stay on their new level until the next bad news come out. If a good news come out then the weak currencies will bounce back to the downside. I think this is the matter with NZD currently. It does not gain basically anything and cannot bounce back from any bad news. This might be the beginning of the big reversal.

This news will in long-term effect all their reports. Worse GDP, worse retails sales, worse wages, maybe unemployment, etc. The question is when those report come out and when we can see the first signs!

Thanks again

Hi guys!

Yesterday results:
AUD, CAD – tied for strongest.
EUR, CHF —next
GBP
USD
NZD
JPY
There was a lot of no-changes (10 pip or less daily difference), within everyone. So, not much movement happened. So, that’s the micro shake out of it.
Comms out did Majors by +3.

So, were now a couple hrs into london, and this is the mentionable:
NZD has dropped much. Rookie, you probably explained it. Good job!
EUR and CHF has been climbing early AGAIN, against all.
USD is stronger against the comms, and with JPY.
COMMS are weaker against majors. (only counting on AUD, CAD)
JPY is pretty weak, mostly against majors.

I’m coming right back. I want to get this out, and want to fill you in on my trades.

Mike

One more thing.

What Mike wrote about the USD is more interesting now as Tuesday is already running! Yesterday bad USD reports came out. Did it hurt the USD? No! Did not even care about it!

[I]Here might be my trading setup for the week guys! You do not have to trade it as it is my feeling but I would enjoy a lot such scenario: it would be great to see a very weak USD NFP report. USD would lose value and because of the currency is so strong it would bounce back! That would be a great occasion to trade the retracement of the initial negative reaction.[/I]

Any thoughts on that? I think I might plan now to trade reversals of the negative USD news. However the tendency is quite short and geopolitical conflicts are in the favor of the US. We have to watch out like we do with JPY. But I am still excited about it.

Well, here’s how I play.

I have long term trades and short term. I use a portfolio methodology. (rookie, you read the thread)
So, I have stats on everyone who is trending long term, medium term, and short term. I combine the long and medium term trending ones to come up with my entries. That would look like this…++. The first plus is the long term (weekly chart determined). The second plus is the medium term (daily chart determined). And whoever is a ++, I’m in with. The possibilities all can be ++, +R, ±, R+, RR, R-, -+, -R, --. I’ll tell you who I have as a ++ rating. And of course I’m in with these now. GBP trending high against NZD, CHF, EUR. CAD trending high against CHF, EUR. JPY trending high against EUR, CHF. AUD trending high against EUR, CHF. USD trending high against EUR, CHF. So there’s 11 pairs there I’m in. Of course my position size is really small. 1,000 units or 1 micro lot on each.
I have short term trades, based on the 8 hr chart trending pairs. Those change all the time a lot. I am choosy who I go with. Right now I’m in with the USD high against NZD, JPY, and EUR which is on my long term also.
It’s still a work in progress. Last week I climbed up to 700 pips by wed.,(all of them in total) then things got loose, lost down to around +100 pips at the end. And over time I will adjust the position sizing, also adding when the trend goes to another leg higher.
So, there you have it. At least my bottom line is “if it’s trending, I’m in it”. I’m keeping track of trends, so, why not? Plus I think that’s the smartest way to go about it. It is tricky to know when to cut them loose. When their not trending anymore. And hopefully the continued trending ones out- number those who turn over.

Mike

Hey FE…
That is very interesting! Been thinking of that now. You know, there’s gonna be a leading up to the news. And sure, if it’s bad, they will drop down to probably what the week started out being. Then start over again. And I see you point, if it’s strong, you’ll make those pips quicker. But, if it’s good news, there’s a lot of pips to be gained from the beginning of the week. Which I’m in on 3 USD ones now.
Anyway…your making a very good point. And probably can come up with a good strategy for that.

Mike

I like your setups Mike. It makes sense. To understand a bit better how long-term your trades are, what are your stop loss and take profit levels? I do not expect the exact numbers for all pairs, more like an average pip number for all the trades and the time how long you plan to hold them.

Good luck!

PS: I am also in the NZD/USD short and in some short CHF + EUR trades. Unfortunately I am still waiting for a stronger CAD.

Hi FE!

When I came across the article I thought about your open long NZD trades and thought id post it here.

[I]“I always think the best way to understand sentiment is the reaction later on for the news. If currencies are strong they bounce back. If they are weak, they stay on their new level until the next bad news come out. If a good news come out then the weak currencies will bounce back to the downside. I think this is the matter with NZD currently. It does not gain basically anything and cannot bounce back from any bad news. This might be the beginning of the big reversal”[/I]

I agree with that wholeheartedly!

As for trading the news I know its a fast way to make big pips especially NFP. But also a fast way to lose your money if you don’t know what you’re doing. And a lot of the times we don’t even though we think we do. I just think it’s not worth the risk. So much noise. It’s so easy to get wiped out for small players like us.

But I like your idea to trade the retracement of negative reaction. I think I’ll try that out myself. Sounds less risky to trade the news being actually in prior or when the news is being released. And I have actually seen that happen live on charts with several pairs. They pick up the losses if they are strong already its only a matter of how fast. But like you said if there’s no strenght in that currency any negative news will only send them further down. Good point FE! Never really thought about it this way.

Hi Mike!

I was having a vague idea about how to go about getting on the right side of the trade with the big guys and not get wiped out. While I have been experimenting with alot of methods I’ve always had this on my mind. For some reason things just didn’t click. It was just one idea here and there scattered pretty much everywhere. i couldn’t put together the pieces together. Then I’ve stumbled upon this thread /again I’m glad I did/ and have been learning to trade with market sentiment. At first I was a little lost and struggled to make sense of things.

Your last post about how you go about placing long term /especially/ and short term trades had just put everything into perspective. Now all thats left to do is to test it out myself. But I already ‘sort of’ know that this is a smarter way. Looks like you have been working on it for a while and thanks for sharing! I really appreciate that!

I agree that it can be a little tricky when to cut them loose. As far as your long term trades go since you don’t hold a single position at any given time even if loss was to occur it would be minimal as opposed to if you were holding a single position lets say 1 micro lot /one pair/. And you’ve got a portfolio that consists ++ or – ratings pairs so the odds are in your favour. At least thats how I see it.

Besides keeping up with the general market sentiment I think keeping a close eye on COT non commercials net position changes over the course of a year and possible extremes /sudden or gradual drop or surge in net positions/ will give you an idea plus your charts when to let them go.

I’m putting much emphasis on COT non commercials because their move reflects the charts while commercials move is the exact opposite. Both commercial and non commercials play a crucial part. But i think it’s easier and less riskier to follow the non commercials. The only thing that you really want to be aware of as regards to your long term trades is that when a pair is trending up at least theoritically speaking we know that commercials are waiting for a better price to sell. Since they hold a big portion much of open interest when they start selling off the big portion of their positions there will be a turn around to that uptrend. A big reversal.

It’s hard to tell when that reversal will occur we’re not mind readers nor an insider. But I think you can look at non commercials movement closely and can have a clue as to what commercials are upto since they ‘usually’ take up on the opposite sides of the trade.

Thanks again Mike!

Re the commercials (originally listed as hedgers) and the speculators (sometimes called ‘Funds’).

The funds are trend followers, the commercials have to be hedging in order to be listed by cftc in that bracket.

The major banks represent about 80% of the FX traffic, all banks are now registered with cftc.

All banks have undergone major risk overhauls since the banking crisis, they now have dedicated risk control centres and managers.

Deutsche Bank’s chairman recently ridiculed this forced upon them situation commenting that front line staff can no longer make risk decisions.

Will follow up shortly.

OK, meant to post this On Monday.

I have been watching the hedger position on GBP closely this past few weeks as I’m sure others also have been doing. When I looked on Sunday at the most recent report I see that the commercials have again reduced their GBP shorts, for me this is an ‘outlook’ changer.

If banks are being extra cautious on risk (DB opened their new risk centre in 2011 e.g.) then one of the most common ways to control or lower risk is by hedging.

In foreign exchange an easy way to hedge exchange exposure is via the futures market, if 80% of the spot market is via the banks then it is reasonable to assume that an equally large portion of the hedgers in futures are banks.

Since to be listed under the hedger bracket the contract has to be a hedge - a hedge on what? - exposure to risk on the opposite side in the spot market.

So when I see a reduction of hedging on the short side of GBP I conclude that there has to be a reduction in the need to hedge - thus a reduction by banks in their GBP longs.

If the banks are reducing their longs in the spot market then the continued rise of GBP may at the least stall.

BTW current list of banks registered as swap dealers with cftc. Swap dealers transactions usually are on the hedger side:

Dodd-Frank Act - CFTC

Hi all of you!

Great articles, opinions and forecasts! I think we are on the right way. We have discussed many strategies this week, we “only” have to realize everything in pips in the next days.

[I]peterma[/I], I would like to hear your opinion on the JPY if you could share it with us. It is the only currency where I do not have clear view.

Good luck everyone and today is the start of the fundamental news of this week!

Hey guys.
Yesterday: USD–strongest
EUR, GBP–
AUD, JPY–
CHF–
NZD,CAD–tied for weakest

Majors beat up on the Comms by a lot --+11. That’s a real good bit.

Today, little over 2 hrs into london.
I noticed now that NZD is definitely showing signs up upward movement. They are the strongest comm.
CAD has and still is falling. Wow. Not too good. Something is going on with them. Anyone know? Oil prices?
USD is continuing to beat up on everyone.
JPY is on the weak side. Mostly against the majors. Holding their own against comms.
EUR showed some strength, and moreso against their sister. Moved up out of the range with them.

So, it’s getting interesting.
I’m watching NZD, for how long to climb?
USD just getting stronger.
CAD…how much longer in the basement this week?
GBP showing some strength. Continue?

Thanks guys!
Good stuff posted lately, especially from our guest speaker. :57:

Mike

Hi Mike,

I agree your points. I do not trade though the NZD no matter for me where it goes. I took some big hits because of NZD. I do not trust it currenty. Sold it vs. USD yesterday.

Hi peterma,

I start to read today the “Bible”. I plan to read every day 20 pages, interpret those pages and write them out. Do you also start it now or have you started already?

Good luck guys

Somehow I did not see this post. Awesome peterma. If with rookie and Mike we are on the right path, then you already got there.

I checked the report, non-commercials decreased longs with 14 191 and decreased shorts with 2 918 contracts only. Of course commercials are the opposite. This comes in line what you wrote. (it has to becasue we look at the same report :slight_smile: ).

Keep up with such great comments and posts.

Hey guys…rookie.

I just wanted to say that I appreciate your response about my plan. I can tell your definitely thinking, and putting it all together. I need to keep it simple, and mechanical. Figure out the trend, long term and short. In when shows trending, out when not. Hopefully the “sticks” move, then moving stop losses closer to price, and adding position size, will all out weigh the trending ones that turn relatively quickly. I always have a line drawn (on paper and on the charts) of when it’s not trending anymore. That’s the exit. And if it’s on a higher leg, then the trade will be in profit. So, as long as things trend more than one leg, I should be good. All relative to the time frame used.
I do want to say again that your info helps a lot. Everything that shows what the players are doing is such good info! We need all the clues we can get!

Let’s ALL stick together.

Mike

Sorry FE, I don’t follow Yen closely enough to offer a valid opinion, Eur/Gbp are my two currencies.

You will enjoy the bible read :slight_smile:

Hi everyone,

I just want to write something about the strong USD sentiment.

Here are the 3 tier one USD news and their reaction from today:

  1. ADP Non-Farm Employment Change: 218K vs. 314K (-16K, below expactation)
    Reaction: no negative reaction

  2. Advance GDP: 4.0% vs 3.1% expected (+0.9%, above expactation). Previous: from 0.1% revised to -2.9% (very negative: -2.8% correction).
    Reaction: despite the mixed news, USD gained on the news and held on to it, no bounce to the back side!

  3. FOMC Statement: basically interest rate is the same and QE also, like it was expected. They did not say anything about rate hikes so it was more a bearish statement.
    Reaction: the market took it es negative, by the time of the writing in some of the currencies the bounce back already occured (NZD) some others can hold on but no further gains (EUR).

Of course I have to check the charts in the morning to see the longer-term reaction but I think we can see the current strength of USD.

Hopefully you guys made some pips!

Hi everyone (especially Mike and rookie),

I start now a new series here, as you guys are busy with your own analysis and work, I thought I write here down my own thoughts about my first COT book as I read it. I write down anyway always for myself what I think is important to look it back later, so I decided why not to post it here. Important: I write down the own words of the author, in the right order as it comes in the book. However I will not structure the different thoughts and do not write down which pages they were. I just want to mention the sentences which I find important for myself. This is not the same value for you as reading the book (hopefully you will all read it when you have the time for it), however it is better than nothing. I also make my own summary in the end of each post.

“Watching the COT report, you can see when the trade forms a consensus that prices have moved too far away from fundamental values, or find out when the hedge funds have all piled into one side of the market and are about to have their hat handed to them.”

“If large non-commercials are overwhelmingly long, look for a long trade: look to go short if large speculators are net short. He (Larry William) specifically warned against using the Commitments report for trade timing.”

Spreading in the report: “the spreading figure represents the extent to which each large speculator holds equal long and short positions. Any excess is listed as either short or long, as appropriate.”

Percentages in the report: “The drawback to using these percentages is that teh spreading total is included in the calculations. In other words, the long percentages across a row will sum to 100 percent less the spreading percentage.”

Summary: the first part of the book was about the history of the COT report. I like history, but I do not write too much about it here, as it is for our goal not the most important thing. Then there was a page from the COT report and explained what the different numbers mean. From this part I took out the definition of the spread and percentages.

The last part of very interesting though, and we never talked about it! It is basically about the different forms of reports. Here in babypips.com they suggest to use the 1. Futures Only, 2. Chicago Mercantile, 3. Short-form report. Somehow I never thought about that it is even possible to use any other kind of the COT report (as I use this version).

This means we share here weekly our findings and it might even be the findings of 3 different reports!!! Briese writes that the actual numbers are very similar in the Futures Only and Futures-and-Options Combined report, still it is important to know which one to use. He uses for example in his entire book the Futures-and-Options report (not the same as what I use). I am very interested now if he uses the long or short form and if he uses the Chicago or New York version. He did not tell the last two “settings” yet. But for sure it would be good to know what all of you use out there!

Have a nice day!

Hey guys.

Wow. What a day yesterday has been. Well, here goes.

      USD: strongest 
      EUR: 
      GBP: 
      NZD, CHF: 
      CAD: 
      AUD: 
      JPY: weakest 

Majors: +7 over comms.

As I tallied up them, there are definitely some things to mention. Interesting stuff!

So, we all know the USD was tearing everyone up. BUT…I noticed some correlations, across the board.
The EUR went real high also. GBP was high. JPY lost against everyone. Comms took the back seat.
So when we have the USD riding high, the opposite will be the JPY on the other side. Their both majors.
Broadly speaking, it will be a tug of war with the majors against the comm dolls, all except JPY.
So, that got me thinking. This entire year has been real bad for the USD. And that seems to be a big factor of WHY the comms have been doing so well this year. (sure seems that way) Also the EUR has been pretty weak this year(deflationary issues). So, it seems that if the majors are not strong the balance will tip towards the comm dolls. And now we have USD flexing their muscle, and the EUR tails close behind. And they are not strong because of their own reasons. So, I think it’s important to think of the different tugs of war going on here. It’s not only how the one economy is doing internally, but the reasons for the shift of money going on.
And that got me to thinking of the trend thing. Yes, I made a lot on the USD, but also lost a lot on the EUR, CHF, JPY, AUD. I guess I have to step back and be more smart on choosing which trend to be in on. And also to be careful when broad trend changes are taking place. So, I need to first look at who’s trending mostly, the majors or comms. And then what effect does the top dog have in their own camp. When the GBP was the strongest (early this year), the EUR was not riding on their coat tails. The point is there are correlations (all over the place) that need to be understood. By me.
It’s all about living and learning.

So, it seems like the majors (fronted by the USD) are turning the tide against the comm dolls. The trending high trends are lining up with the majors now. And I just hope it will continue. (which makes things easier). It would seem like the more you know about which ones have an effect on the others, that will lead to having SOME kind of edge in the market.

Got to run.

Mike