Hey Joe, just wanted to say thank you for all of the wonderful info and thank you for being so patient with all of the guys and galls "begging" for these indicators. I have been using them for a while as well and they are great. The only one you enlightened me with was the arrows, but thats just a 5,8 cross basically. Anyways, I hope we can keep in touch in the future and once again thank you!...Paul Valentine