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Old 05-20-2008, 12:12 PM
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Here we see the full length of the above trade in this 10 minute KC chart.

This chart is the first of a new generation of charts wherein I seek to provide greater clarity.


By tymen1 at 2008-05-09

There are 2 ways this trade could have been executed :

Method 1

Even though the first 3 green candles after the entry show long lower wicks, they do not go down far enough to get a decent "pips first" profit. We, therefore, leave it alone and let the trade run.

The price goes up towards point R.

We then declare a "retrace first" trade.

Now, the Starc band (grey) is going down (look at the chart), and point R is above the middle Bollinger band (visible on the chart), and also above the middle Starc/Keltner bands (not shown).

Point R is then, by definition, a retrace top.

We short enter our 2nd amount here and the computer averages the entry. The new entry sits just about right on top of the middle Bollinger band (blue).

From here the price goes down. Cancel the old stop loss and set the new stop loss a spread under the point R.
The best profit is taken around point A. Also cancel the stop loss!

END OF TRADE.

Method 2

After short entry (1 amount) we exit with only few pips at the long lower wick of the 3rd green candle after entry. Thus we declare the trade a "pips first" trade. Upon exit we also promptly close the stop loss.

Do not leave the stop loss lingering. If there is a PCI failure then your stop loss may become an entry for an unwanted trade!!

We are out of the trade and watch the price action rise to point R.

At this point we procede as per method 1 with 2 amounts.

Method 2 makes a tiny bit more money than method 1.

END OF TRADE.

Note that the Starc bands go up after point A. Therefore, further retraces should consist of price action tagging/penetrating the upper Bollinger band. This does not happen until point B, (or a red candle just before).

Can we trade again from point B?. Lets look again at the main chart next post.

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Old 05-20-2008, 12:14 PM
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Hope I'm not wasting everyone's time here. I am a super newbie and have been reading reading reading. I am following this forum with great interest but have only advanced to page 37 so far. Everyone is so helpful, but if you dont mind, could someone please explain a couple of terms being used frequently-MT4 and STARC. Also, I am using FXCM's demo account (with little success at this point) but there are no middle bands in the Bolinger bands, no Kentler channels and the charts are not really the candlestick type that are being shown here. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks so much for your time and consideration.
Jaguar,
MT4 is short for Metatrader 4, which is a free charting program that many many brokers and traders use, you can download it for free.
STARC bands is just another technical indicator used my many charting programs.
Have you read the excellent lesson found in the babypips school.
I strongly suggest you read the whole thing, you will learn plenty from it.
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:18 PM
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Thank you for your ongoing assistance Greywolf238.
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:26 PM
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Here is the main chart again so that we can see the location of point B.


By tymen1 at 2008-05-09

As you can see, point B is much too far away from the evening star pattern. It is, therefore, null and void.

The price action rose sharply after point B, and any attempt to short at this point would have resulted in disaster.

The first 4 candles after a pattern are significant, after that, 7 candles depending on price action.

This then marks the close of this first trade.
The 2nd one will be a detailed examination of a dark cloud cover trade.
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:20 PM
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I just wanted to say thanks to TYMEN and anyone else helping out in this forum.

I clearly see the power of candlesticks.

I was wondering if candlesticks were good for day trading or scalping and after reading your very first post, I got my answer. Now I am going to slowly digest this entire thread (that is a lot of pages!) over the next week or so.

I have no questions. If I had a request, it would be some clear lessons on how to use candles with scalping. However, I am sure I will find my answers once I start reading.

Again, thanks for all the great work done here and to all the lean, mean muthas behind BabyPips. This place is an oasis in the sea of scams.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:31 AM
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I just wanted to say thanks to TYMEN and anyone else helping out in this forum.

I clearly see the power of candlesticks.

I was wondering if candlesticks were good for day trading or scalping and after reading your very first post, I got my answer. Now I am going to slowly digest this entire thread (that is a lot of pages!) over the next week or so.

I have no questions. If I had a request, it would be some clear lessons on how to use candles with scalping. However, I am sure I will find my answers once I start reading.
Welcome to this thread BrianSNJ!

I like your avatar!

You have come to what I believe to be the best thread on this forum. (of course I would say that!)

You will most definitely find all the answers to your questions here. Clear lessons on scalping are given in detail for you to read.

I believe you will be well rewarded and hope that you will become a candlestick trading convert.

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Old 05-21-2008, 06:30 AM
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Dark cloud cover pattern :

Have a look at the following price action on this 25 minute chart.
What can you see?


By tymen1 at 2008-05-09

There is an upward trend. An evening star appears in the middle of the chart - (can you see it) - it is tradable and breaks the trend slightly but overall, has little effect on price action.

Further up the track 2 continuation patterns appear. Can you see them?

The last 2 candles make up a dark cloud cover pattern and we will look at this trade.

If you cannot spot the continuation patterns, the next post will show them to you.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:37 AM
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This 25 minute chart is a magnification of the previous chart and shows several patterns >>>


By tymen1 at 2008-05-09

On this chart the dark cloud cover is clear. It is powerful in pattern but the continuation patterns plus upward trend makes for a high risk stop loss. This is shown by the red dashed line at the top.

Next post - the 5 minute KC chart.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:58 AM
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Here we have the 5 min KC chart and I will deal with the entry in detail.


By tymen1 at 2008-05-09

Like the school teacher that I am, I will again revise our entry rules.

Repetition is boring but it makes for perfection.

These rules are as follows:

Look at the 5 min chart.
Draw the MACD vector.
Draw the BB vector.
Get the resultant of the MACD+BB vectors. The resultant divides the angle between the MACD+BB exactly in two.

Decide whether the resultant is up, down or level.


If the resultant is up...............best entry at the upper KC band.

If the resultant is down...............best entry at the lower KC band.

If the resultant is level...............best entry at the middle KC band.

Slightly up or down means an in between position.


* * * * *


On this chart the Bollinger bands are in blue and the Keltner channel is in grey with the middle band in yellow.

At the short entry line (vertical), the BB vector is slightly down and the MACD vector is steeply down.

The resultant is shown in the yellow diagram. (pink arrow).
The resultant slices the angle between the BB and MACD exactly in two.
The resultant is down.

As such, our short entry is immediate. That means our short entry is at the opening of the new candle. This is the best price we can expect to get.

The price is 66.

Next chart.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:57 AM
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Here we have a fully expanded view of the 5 minute chart >>>


By tymen1 at 2008-05-21

This chart shows the 3 Bollinger bands (blue) and the Starc bands (grey filled). The middle band is not necessary for this instruction.

This chart is involved and I will go thro it step by step.



1) We enter short at the black line on the left of the chart with 1 amount at price 66 using the KC method.

2) The price goes up and we declare a "retrace first" trade. The Starc bands also go up.

3) With the Starc/Keltner going up, a retrace must, by definition, tag the upper Bollinger band. The price does just this after a long green candle. We are now not far from our stop loss.

4) At price 88, the 2nd amount is short entered. The computer averages this to price (66+88)/2 = 77 for entry.

5) Still at price 88, we frown because the price has to go down to 77 before we even begin to make a profit.

6) However, the price does go down (long red candle) and, to our annoyance, it goes up again (roller coaster ride) to point A.

7) At point A we already have our 2 amounts in trade so we must grin and bear it.
Oh good! The price goes down again to point B at price 71.

8) At this point we think - 77 entry minus 71 is only 6 pips. Lets forget about it and stay in the trade. Out of curiosity we click over to the main chart.

9) To our surprise, the main chart shows that another dark cloud cover has formed!! This gives us confidence that we will most likely see a good profit. (you will see this extra dark cloud on my next post).

10) Turning back to the 5 minute chart, we weather the storms and watch the price action going down thro the middle Bollinger Band.

11) This seems a good point to cancel our stop loss and reset it to 74 pips. (77 entry-3 pips spread = 74).
If the price now retraces, we make no loss, no profit.
We continue and arrive at point C, at price 67.

12) Now price 67 is 10 pips less than entry 77. We could, if you like, exit 1 amount here for a profit of 10 pips. The choice is yours.

13) The Starc/Keltner bands are going down now, therefore, by definition, a retrace must be a tag of the middle Bollinger band. This occurs at E.

14) If we did a 1 amount exit at D we could re-enter that amount at E. Or do nothing. The choice is yours.
If we did no exit at D, we have to remain in the trade.

15) The price action then drops to F at 57 pips, 20 below our entry. What you do here will depend on what you did earlier.
If you still have 2 amounts you could exit, ie 2x 20 pips = 40 pips.
If only 1 amount then 1x 20 pips + 1x 10 pips = 30 pips.
There are more combinations available. The choice is yours.

16) You could also exit one amount at F for 20 pips and then leave the remaining amount for the "final exit". Doing so will get you some 30 pips giving you a total of some 50 pips.

END OF TRADE.

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