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Old 06-09-2008, 01:28 PM
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I will now continue with the trade above, looking at the short term KC chart.

Here is the 5 minute chart of this trade of AUD/JPY taken on Friday at about 2000 hours here in Western Australia. (subtract 8 hours to get GMT time).


By tymen1 at 2008-06-07

In this trade the KC method proved very worthwhile.

The vertical black line shows the open of the 4th candle and the vectors are shown on the blue Bollinger bands and the MACD.
These vectors are so close to being level that the resultant (pink) is considered level (see yellow oval).

Now the 4th candle opened at 69 and a level resultant means that the best short entry is on the middle Keltner band, which is at 76.

So a little waiting gives us this much better short entry of 76. Ah! ,what a benefit!!

We now progress to the rest of the trading.
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Steve Nison's books are the main source for all candlestick knowledge.
I actually prefer Steve Bigalow's books and he also sells flash cards with major candlestick patterns which I always have nearby .. a great way to learn the patterns His site is candlestickforum.

Another great site is litwick.com if you go to /glossary.html you can click on any link to see the candlestick pattern.

I am surprised that your main interest would be trading stocks, tymen. Having come from 5 years of equities & option trading to forex, you could not pay me to go back to trading equities ... forex is SO much more straightforward and candles + forex is a match made in heaven, whereas candles on stock charts can still be disrupted if the CEO of the company sleeps with his secretary .. or any one a million other events, which usually take place after hours!

Candles + Forex 4 me 4 ever

Thanks for all your patient hard work!
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Old 06-09-2008, 02:26 PM
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There is a lot in this next 5 minute chart so we need to take it carefully >>>


By tymen1 at 2008-06-07

The short entry is a A (76) for 1 amount.

It becomes a retrace first trade as the price action goes long to B (86). The trade is considered a medium risk trade as the upper Bollinger band is going down at the 3rd candle.

You, therefore, have the choice of setting the stop loss at 90, which is the top of the body of the red candle - or at high risk which is 3 pips above the top of the star at 01. The top of the star is 98.

The retrace points are basically found as follows :

Starc going down - retrace comes near or tags the upper Starc.
Starc going up - retrace goes thro Starc and wait some 3/4 candles as the candles walk the upper Starc band.

Exits are taken when the price action well and truely goes thro the lower Starc band.

So.......................

At B(86), we enter the 2nd amount and the computer averages our short entry to 81.
It does not take long for the price action to go down and we hit C(58).
But if you are smart, you will see that the bands are going down and the middle BB is going down also.
This means that the price will go down also and D(40) becomes the next solid exit point.

Even at point D the bands and middle BB are still going very much down, giving confidence that the price action will continue to go down. There is an initial scare as 2 green candle appear after point D.

We continue to toggle to the main chart because the price action has now well and truely passed thro the lower BB on the main chart. We cannot go too much further because the trade will get too long in the tooth.

E (21) is our next port of call. If we exit here then a re-entry of 2 amounts could be taken at retrace point F(48). If we did not exit here and looked at the bands going down then G (03) becomes an end point.

Lets look at some figures.

The minimum profit is............Entry 1 amount at A, add 2nd amount at B, exit 1 amount at C, 2nd amount at D.

That is 81(av)-58 = 23 pips for 1st amount.
and.....81 (av)-40 = 21 pips for 2nd amount.
Total = 44-spread (6) = 38 pips profit.


The maximum profit is.............Entry 1 amount at A, add 2nd amount at B, exit 1 amount at E, add 2nd amount at F, exit both amounts at G .

That is 81-21 = 60 pips for 1st amount.
and.....81-03 = 78 pips for 2nd amount.
and ....48-03 = 45 pips for 1st amount re-entered on retrace at F.
Total = 183-spread (9) = 174 pips profit.

Stop loss.........At 102.01-entry at 101.76 = 25 pips for high risk.
Stop loss.........At 101.90-entry at 101.76 = 14 pips for medium risk.

Risk/reward ratio :
Maximum........14:174 = 1:12. That is absolutely excellent.
Minimum.........24:38 = 1:1.6 That is good.

A bit of work and you could have done better than the minimum.

The massive profit potential will now lead us to discovering the new trading approach which will bring in huge pips in a very short timeframe!!
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Old 06-09-2008, 06:23 PM
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You have actually asked a difficult question............
Yeah, I knew that. lol

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I was doing research on another form of trading, that being of working solely with Keltner channels and using Keltner channel trading. I did a lot of testing with this method and it has the potential to make thousands of pips.
Interesting. I bet you had something mind blowing.

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However, I found that exits were nearly impossible to predict and after receiving confirmation from FX Honourary member Dale Paterson, that he too found the exits impossible, I decided to abandon the work.
Why were the exits that hard? Was it because you could not tell if they would be good for only 5 pips and some good for more and that caused too much confusion? I apologize if I sound naive. I am a very curious person and love to learn for the sake of learning.

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I have interest in no other method of trading - as far as I am concerned, candlesticks are the Rolls Royce of trading. I think that I have made that rather clear in the early parts of this thread.
I TOTALLY AGREE. Everything else seems like pure luck or random chance.


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Therefore, the best way to find out what I know is to continue reading this thread.
Steve Nison's books are the main source for all candlestick knowledge.
Already started on one of Nison's books. And I am definitely not leaving this thread.
Your hard work on this thread and the effort is GREATLY appreciated. I try not to post unless I have to just to prevent the thread from getting cluttered.
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Tymen1,

I was thinking your lesson plan would make an excellent Power Point. I started a power point file as a proof of concept, I'd like to email it to you and see if you think it is worth the effort.

It is a very very rough draft, but I think it will get the idea across.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:25 AM
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Why were the exits that hard? Was it because you could not tell if they would be good for only 5 pips and some good for more and that caused too much confusion? I apologize if I sound naive. I am a very curious person and love to learn for the sake of learning.
To BrianSNJ :

I can tell you that the method was very mouth watering with its incredible lucrative promise of profit of literally thousands of pips.
So I did research on the method to nearly exhaustion.

But money management was the problem.
A thousand pips profit on one trade, then 800 pips loss by hitting a stop loss on the next. This is how it went.

You could never tell when the trade was about to drop out - and when they did, wow! What a loss!
Sometimes 8 candles to a terrific profit, other times one candle profit followed by a surprise attack with the next one taking you to a loss.

In short, it was completely unpredictable, and as such, unsuitable for any but the very experienced trader.

The candlestick method herein is infinitely more stable, consistantly profitable, and works with much smaller stop losses.

A real pity for this Keltner system, but it just goes to show that not every system is a winner in the long run.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:30 AM
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Tymen1,

I was thinking your lesson plan would make an excellent Power Point. I started a power point file as a proof of concept, I'd like to email it to you and see if you think it is worth the effort.

It is a very very rough draft, but I think it will get the idea across.
Yes, I like the idea.

Send me a private message in the spot on this website provided, then I will private message you back with my email address.

I am loathe to give my email address here publicly, because I will wind up with 10,0000 emails every day from now on!!
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:31 AM
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Tymen1,

I was thinking your lesson plan would make an excellent Power Point. I started a power point file as a proof of concept, I'd like to email it to you and see if you think it is worth the effort.

It is a very very rough draft, but I think it will get the idea across.
To LasVahGoose :

Yes, I like the idea.

Send me a private message in the spot on this website provided, then I will private message you back with my email address.

I am loathe to give my email address here publicly, because I will wind up with 10,0000 emails every day from now on!!
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:38 AM
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I will now go back to material that will usher in a new trading approach.

Exercises will be included herein.

After this matter is finally settled, we can then look at other candlestick patterns. I am thinking of the engulfing pattern, but maybe readers would like something else, eg the 3 green soldiers.

In any case, a long pattern, not a short.

Lets press on.
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I can tell you that the method was very mouth watering with its incredible lucrative promise of profit of literally thousands of pips.
So I did research on the method to nearly exhaustion.

But money management was the problem.
A thousand pips profit on one trade, then 800 pips loss by hitting a stop loss on the next. This is how it went.

You could never tell when the trade was about to drop out - and when they did, wow! What a loss!
Sometimes 8 candles to a terrific profit, other times one candle profit followed by a surprise attack with the next one taking you to a loss.

In short, it was completely unpredictable, and as such, unsuitable for any but the very experienced trader.
This sounds very intriguing .. I am wondering if you'd be willing to post the rules for this method in a new thread & maybe ask for input from some of the experienced traders we have in this forum. Something like "Experienced Traders - can you fix this?"
Maybe if we have a lot of different minds & perspectives working on this there would be a way to tighten the stop-loss effectively so it would continue to be lucrative ... but with risk contained.
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