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Old 04-04-2008, 01:19 AM
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Hey mytwo-

I was rushing my entry and PRESSED "buy" instead of "Sell" on 5-lots with 20-pip s/l;(see Attaached) So if you notice the time stamp I entered at 13:30 and I was immediately stopped-out for -105pip loss!! Glad it was a demo account!! -this is the place to make those mistakes. I have actually been having some good days; I try a 'scalp' on todays 8:30 Jobs report an hit 176-pips--- damn, it was only on the demo; I actually open another demo profile on Monday, with the intent to "trade my plan" since I feel comfortable with MT4 platform now---and I've increased it by 418-pips after todays 'scalp'... I'm look'in to go Live.... soon.....maybe....
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:47 AM
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Hey Jazz,
Hmmm... I don't get something. I figure a 20 pip loss on however many lots is a 20 pip loss. Then I see that your chart shows -105.00 and thought "oh $105.00 loss not 105 pip loss". That doesn't make sense either because it is on 5 full demo lots. So it would be around $1000.00.

Ohhh... wait. Now I get it. Those are mini lots. So you lost $105.00, not pips. Am I right?

Ok. You did good then. You didn't let a loser go 105 pips in the hole. You were stopped out at 20 pips. To bad it was a simple hit the wrong button mistake. I have done that in demo. Now I pay more attention. One click trading has many positives, but does have that one drawback.

Are you trying to game news reports now? Are you entering in advance or at the exact moment a report is given? I would like to see how that plays out in the long run for you. I would demo that strategy for a while.

The other day my father was trying to get me to game a report. He speculated right and it would have played out. The next report came around and I asked him what he thought. He speculated the obvious and price went the other way. I have no idea how to game news reports.

Sometimes bad news makes the market rally and good news makes it decline?

I just look at news for fundamental factors that might turn the longer term behavior of the market.

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Old 04-04-2008, 03:20 AM
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Are you trying to game news reports now? Are you entering in advance or at the exact moment a report is given? I would like to see how that plays out in the long run for you. I would demo that strategy for a while.

The other day my father was trying to get me to game a report. He speculated right and it would have played out. The next report came around and I asked him what he thought. He speculated the obvious and price went the other way. I have no idea how to game news reports.

Sometimes bad news makes the market rally and good news makes it decline?

I just look at news for fundamental factors that might turn the longer term behavior of the market.
From a book I'm reading "Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom", the author VAN K. THARP says that news & fundamental analysis are not the same thing. Fundamentals is predicting and news is following...sorta like leading and lagging indicators

What he also says about it is:

"You will also observe that pending news will move a market
longer and farther than actual reported news. The anticipation of
bullish news can support a market for weeks or even months.
When the bullish news is eventually reported, the market may well
move in the opposite direction. That’s why the old adage of “Buy
the rumor, sell the fact” seems to work so well. (Of course, the same
logic applies to bearish news as well."


For those of us more fundamentally challenged this is a good rule of pip to keep in mind
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Old 04-04-2008, 03:48 AM
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Hi Sweet Pip,
Makes perfect sense to me. I am always wondering myself if future hype is already priced in. When it is, the market can throw curve balls at the actual report.

For now I will stick to, as news spike traders call it, "trading that darn noise between reports"
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:32 AM
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For those that are interested. Here is my performance after learning not to freak out going live and trade exactly how you did in demo. These percentages may be a little high for your average account. That is ok for me because I am comfortable with my risk situation. I also know that these percentages come with a little luck of the call and that they can't continue forever. I don't trade everyday because I run two other businesses. Lately they take up most of my time. Maybe in a few years, trading will be my only business. What a dream, no customers, no support, no w-2's, no this, no that.... oh.. time to wake up.

Thur. 20 Mar. 9.8%
Mon. 25 Mar. 3.7%
Tue. 26 Mar. 2.6%
Thur. 28 Mar. 8.4%
Sun. 30 Mar. 3.2%
Mon. 07 Apr. 0.2%
Thur. 10 Apr. 1.4%

I will keep these performance posts going. I feel as long as I have to report to someone, I will be forced to trade smart due to risk of public embarrassment.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:13 AM
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Here is my system and rules. It works when I follow it. Any feedback good or bad will be most gladly accepted.

Trading System And Rules...

-- Only follow longer time frame trends on short time frames using 15 min charts.

-- Only trade the direction of the trend.

-- A valid entry will be when price is trading above/below the 5 and 10 moving averages
with a previous bullish/bearish cross and the ma's are pointed in trend direction.

-- An entry is not valid if the trend looks to be reversing by the rsi or macd showing
extreme readings.

-- If a trend is up, RSI will have to be above 50. If the trend is down, RSI will have
to be below 50.

-- If the charts looked fluttered, then no entries are valid.

-- Entries caused by recent news are not valid.

-- All entries will be stopped when 1% of account size is lost. The 1% can't exceed 20 pips and entries
need 20 pips breathing room. So all stops will be 20 pips with lot sizes adjusted to meet the 1% requirement.

-- All valid entries will be traded.

-- Three consecutive bad trades will terminate the day. The market is not in favor of
the system that day.

-- Profits will ride until a take profit point has been reached either by system reversal or
price has moved way past its range.

-- The system will not be traded on the Asian session.

-- No valid entries and sitting in cash while going to Babypips to goof off is a valid alternative entry.
Rules to Trade By
I like what you have developed for yourself. Here are some thoughts on the matter I hope it helps
Hey we all have to admit we have done that a time or two… or three! I too have learned the hard way. Writing down the rules is a great way to stay focused. I found that writing everything down in a check list format like a pilot uses before every flight brings dividends of wealth to my accounts. A pilot will still go through the preflight check list before every flight. Even though he has flown hundreds of times before, to make sure he is on track and that the flight will run smooth. This does a couple of things. One, you remove error from your trades. Or at least minimize…human error is always a factor. Two, it helps to reduce the emotional strain that comes with the territory. I have put great detail into my pre trade instructions. Example: If the MAO closes after a fresh cross and the hot lines have a fresh cross wait for the candle to close to confirm the entry. Only place the trade once you see the open of the fresh candle agree with confirmation signal. Patience!
I try to live and die by my rules I always say RULES TO LIVE OR DIE BY! RULES TO LIVE AND FLY BY!
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:20 AM
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Daedalus,

I agree with your comments 100% Those off days are out there I took one head on it seemed that no matter what I did right the one rule I broke made every move wrong. I like that you can actually show what went wrong. A lot of traders out there do not for whatever reason fail to track their behavior patterns and journal what went well and what went not so well. This is a great way to evaluate and see if you need to make any adjustments to the rules. Great example! Good stuff.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:35 AM
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Thanks for the comments Pipwrangler. It seems you have the psychological aspects of trading down. To me, that is the most important part of trading. If you get that down path, you can own any reasonable system.
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Old 04-11-2008, 05:23 PM
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I am unable to post. This is just a test.

It worked. So now something useful.

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