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Old 07-31-2008, 04:43 AM
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Good Morning All:

I still haven't made my first trade on Oanda because I am so confused about and overwhelmed with the charting aspect of it all. My short term goal is to daytrade/scalp in an attempt to make $150.00 per day or the equivalent in pips if possible. I have a 9-5 and will continue the school of pipsology until the light goes on. Is there a basic charting course that is not a rip-off? What is a day in the "Life Of A Forex Scalper Like"? Can I use ONLY Candlesticks for charting, or must I incorporate other charts as well? Can someone familiar with Oanda walk me through making my first trade buying EUR/USD so I will have something active to watch?
I know this was a lot, but you guys are so gracious and giving with your assistance. Please help me get to where you are, i.e. at home trading with your pajamas on.
Thanx!!
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:12 AM
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My scalping record is bad but if you would like a walk through here it goes:


I watch the charts and when I think somthing may be comming up I set up two windows, one for buy and one for sell (assuming im not sure which direction)

I dont usually have time for SL and TP levels so those are automatically set up for scalping as a general rule of thumb. I allow on a scalp about 2-3 % loss, and I trade with the longterm trend so if I screw my timing up I can usually wait (this is possibly why my scalping record isnt so good)

I do this all in the main window so I can click on the bar that comes up in active trades and close it as soon as I want, and I can click very quickly when I want to ;P then I try to breath ;P

As far as profit targets longterm etc, your better off not setting those, or looking to invest serious bucks, but before you do that you may want to start off small so if... no when you screw up it dosnt cost you so much. I screwed up my demo got good then went live with $30, I'm allready down almost $2, dosnt sound like much but what if it was 300, or 3,000? $2 dosnt kill me, heck $30 wouldnt bother me, but what if it was $200? (If it was $3k account, it very well could have been, if not worse!)

I would stay away from scalping untill you are good at longer term trades, scalping is truley a test of ones ability and a person who can scalp good can probibly trade any timeframe (patience asside)

if you want more help with the actions, just let me know, with when to trade thats going to take time and I'm still just getting started ;P
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:01 AM
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How do you plan to "day trade"/scalp when you have a 9 to 5 job? Those two don't really mix. If you can't even read the charts yet, you aren't particularly at a point where you can decide what kind of strategy you want to use.

Personally scalping seems more like gambling than investing to me, I've seen very few people be consistently successful at it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:46 AM
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i been trading since last year with demo a/c. i tryed 3 type of platform . FXCM, Oanda and Saxo Bank. Currently i been trading with Saxo Bank Online Platform. Firstly u need to practice Demo with different type of platform until u are familiar about it. Later on just choose one platform dat work best with u. Most of the broker when they offered the platform , had a charting on their platform. Practice More on Demo before open any live a/c . Read about how to use the Charting and practice with it with the different time frame ,until u familiar about it and how it work. For example , when u want to trade intraday trade . u need to look at bigger time frame like 4 hour chart. when rsi is at 70 level . It overbought. and when it trading below 30 level , it oversold. U can use 3 indicator for good result if one indicator give a false signal. back again to 4 hour chart. for example u want to trade a usd/jpn or any other currency. at 4 hour chart if the currency trade at overbought level , then the next move should be short (sell the currency). look at 1 hour chart and 15 min chart to confirm to sell the currency. U need to read more about support and resistance , because it concern about the move of dat currency and at what level it find a support or resistance. For example if u think , usd/jpn at the top and want to reverse. Study about Fibonacci and learn to use it at the time frame. When 4 hour time frame showed overbought. look at 1 hour chart . if also overbought . look at 15 chart to enter trade when it in overbought level. Kindly be informed, the mean reason u good wrong , because all the time frame at u charting platform show at different level about the currency. if u practice every day , then u will familiar and how to user the charting effectily. Read about how to read charting by Jimmy young and expert about it before u go for a live trading. i,m in demo for 1 !/2 and still be trading demo. Do not waste u money going for live , if u don.t know how to use the charting correctly. This just a advise and hope u don,t mind about it. My english is bad , sorry about it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:29 AM
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Ramzu:

Thank you for the response. Don't worry about the english, I just appreciate your help. Believe me, I'm not going live for a long time. I'm just trying to get off the runway right now. I can see now that Charting is what I need to practice the most. Why is trading with different time frames important?
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:57 AM
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The best indicator i use is Bolinger band. Read about Bolinger band from Different Website and Familiar about how to use it. Next RSI and Stochactis .
After u had read and knew all about it. then u can now try to combine in u charting . Bolinger Band is the best Indicator and i make 95 % winning trade using this Indicator. Use it with Rsi and look at support and resistance.
At upper bolinger Band , when the trade want to reverse, Look at Rsi to comfirm. Look at resistance. if it break and most like it will goes up more before it reverse. do u got a idea now. So u have stop loss to protest u lost here. but if u analysis carefully , u will definetely won the trade. Look where to short or long after analysis carafully. About the Charting, u need to read understand and poractice well about it . Different time frame show different level on dat currency dat been trading. Try to profit only 50 pips using all Charting. when u are familiar about the move, then u can change to profit more like 75 or 100 pips. U need to analysis all time frame. But not daily time frame for 1 day trade. FOr one day trade within 24 hour , look at 4 hour or 2 hour and 1 hour. This is beginning, U can also use only 1 hour time frame for 1 day trade. then 15 & 5 min to enter early trade. U got a idea. The longer time frame for a long trade. So only use 3 time frame for 1 time trade set up. Make it easy and not to make it hard u self. u got a idea. Read ,understand and practice about the charting and use only 1 strategy dat work best for u. Don,t read many strategy and confious about it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:42 AM
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Hi again 4X4Life,
"Types of trading" seems to be a hot topic around here lately. Your monetary goal is $150.00/day; but that doesn't necessitate scalping to achieve it. In fact, you may find with some experience that day trading (usually referred to as "scalping" here, which is actually something else) isn't really compatible with your job and that the flexibility of holding trades longer is actually more productive. If you want, you could think in terms of "$750.00 per week"; but try not to be money focused at first. That may sound impractical, but concern about meeting a monetary goal each day while you are learning and demoing can pose a serious impediment to your progress. First concern yourself with education, then measure success in terms of pips earned and lack of drawdown (meaning loss of your account balance).

In your posts I've noticed what you just wrote: charting seems to be a little difficult to grasp. Don't worry about indicators right now - that'll only muddy the waters. Just try to understand the basic construction of the chart.

Charts are laid out on a 2-D plane, with X and Y axes: X (horizontal) measures time, while Y (vertical) measures price. Market activity is plotted here: what price is and at what time price occurred where it did is what the chart represents. Try reading more about candlesticks in the school to understand exactly what information they are conveying.

Once you are comfortable with how a chart functions and what you can know based on studying it, you are then ready to begin analyzing it. This is where simple things like trendlines and moving averages come in: where has price been, where has the movement of price found a ceiling (resistance) and where has it found a floor (support)? Again, the school here introduces and describes these concepts.

Once you're familiar with all of this, if you want you could then begin adding indicators (like bollinger bands, RSI, stochastics, etc.) and even begin trading a system (e.g. the Cowabunga system published here in one of BP's blogs).

Other types of charts? Like a bar chart? you can view an OHLC (Open, High, Low, Close) bar chart on Oanda by clicking on the dropdown menu where "Candlestick" is probably currently selected. Candlesticks and OHLC bars convey the same information, only in a different visual format. Since most here talk about candlesticks, you might consider using only a candlestick chart for now.

As for walking you through a trade: simply click on the "sell" or "buy" square, the ticket will pop up, ensure the number of units there is correct (this determines the size of your position), input a stop loss or take profit if you want, and then click submit. An arrow should show up on your chart displaying where you went long or short and you can follow along from there.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:58 PM
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Andrewunknown:

Thank you for your response.
You have straightened me out on a number of issues and I feel like I have a better direction. I don't think scalping was what I thought it was and will follow your advice. However, my goal is to replace my income trading EUR/USD once I've been profitable & consistent. I am not in a big hurry to trade live, as I want to understand everything I'm doing first. Just so you know, I love studying the candlesticks and they make sense to me. I will continue with those.
Need clarity on the importance of studying the different time frames on the chart.
Thanx for all the info
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:56 PM
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Thank you for your response.

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Need clarity on the importance of studying the different time frames on the chart.
You're welcome.

Considering multiple timeframes is another topic commonly discussed here and about which there is a lot to read elsewhere.

Start here: Which Timeframe Should I Trade? | 9th Grade: Multiple Timeframes | Learn Forex Trading


Keep in mind most of the topics with which you're struggling a bit are discussed in the BP school. If you read that and then wonder how what you've read applies in a specific instance or want further expansion on the topic, those are great questions to ask here.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:33 PM
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Thank you, I will go through BP School a few more times so that this wonderful information you've supplied will start to make the light go on.
I appreciate your help.
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