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[QUOTE=“GlobalMacro;662770”]Good replies pipnroll and Peterma.

Here’s my contribution.

The current account consists of the balance of trade, net income from foreign investments, and current transfers (which would include foreign aid or other one off transfers of money). If these add up to an inflow of money into the country, then we have a current account surplus, if it indicates an outflow then we have a current account deficit.

The most important concept when dealing with current account analysis is to realize that you can not apply a single metric to all countries. What is considered a healthy current account for developed nations is much different that what is healthy for emerging market nations as their economies are structurally different.

Generally, developed countries tend to run current account deficits as these typically import more goods then they export (it’s cheaper to import goods from developing countries then it is to produce it in a developed country). During good economic times, the current account deficit for developed countries tends to increase as the domestic demand for more goods increase, and thus the country imports more. During recessions, the current account deficits of developed country typically decrease as domestic demand for imported goods fall due to consumers saving more and spending less.

Thus the current account during normal conditions is typically not the cause of market moves but rather a reflection of the current market dynamics. Lets take Australia as an example. Australia’s biggest export is iron ore, and during periods of time when iron ore prices are going up, the Australia dollar also tends to follow, as higher iron ore prices means more export profits. The current account will adjust positively as a result, but it did not cause the market move, it was merely a reaction to the move and therefore isn’t a tradable justification.

Another current example is the US current account deficit shrinking on the back of reduced energy imports. As oil production from the US increases due to the fracking boom, energy imports have been dramatically reduced, which has a significant affect on the trade balance and the current account. In this case, traders would be well aware that the current account would be affected positively BEFORE the effects actually hit the current account and would be making trades based on the developments in the energy market rather then waiting for the slow moving current account to change. Therefore the moves in the current account would be confirmation rather then a cause for a trade entry. Most of the time, the current account is indicative rather then causative.

However, there ARE times when the current account is causative of big moves in the currency market. To figure out when these events will occur, you have to understand that to cover a current account deficit, the country must borrow money from foreign sources. The credit worthiness of the deficit country and the confidence that creditors have in that country’s ability to pay of the debt determines to a large degree how easy it will be for the deficit country to finance a deficit.

As long as global credit markets are extremely liquid, and the deficit country is stable with solid economic numbers, a country can maintain a large current account deficit (4% of GDP or higher) for quite some time. In order to justify shorting the currency based on the current account deficits, one of two things need to occur. The first possible trigger would be global credit markets tightening dramatically. This happened last year when the feds scared the market with faster then expected tapering rhetoric, and will undoubtedly happen again as the feds begin raising rates possibly next year. Without access to easy financing, current account deficit countries can’t find creditors and are forced to reduce their deficit. In this scenario, nearly all current account deficit country’s are affected, with emerging market nations hit the hardest. If a country can’t finance its deficit because the financial conditions are too tight, it’s deficit will be forcefully reduced.

The second possible trigger would be a localized stress placed on a specific deficit country that jeopardizes creditors’ outlook of the risk premium they incur for financing that country. Possible stresses could be a severe natural disaster, political instability, or prospects for a recession. Turkey was a great example of this last year with the Lira collapsing dramatically as its deficit made it vulnerable to political instability. If a country can’t finance its deficit because it can’t find willing creditors, its deficit will have to be reduced.

In both instances, the reduction in the deficit is both a forceful and painful event. The hallmark moment of such an event is a sharp devaluation of the deficit country’s currency. The currency devaluation serves two purposes. The first is that it drastically reduces the value of its existing debts, as these are in terms of its own currency. The second, is that it makes imports more expensive and makes exports cheaper, thus reducing the future deficit as import demand diminishes due to costs.

So a current account deficit isn’t a problem, until it is. Being cognizant of which countries have large deficits allow you to anticipate LARGE and violent moves in their exchange rates when one of the two triggers described above are met. It’s like a car driving down the road filled with explosives. It could keep driving for hundreds of miles, but if it gets a flat tire and goes off the road, its going to explode with a huge fireball, whereas another car (a country with a current account surplus) could safely navigate to the shoulder and stop.

Pipnroll, a current account deficit does not have to mean low foreign reserves, although that will exasperate the situation.[/QUOTE]

Bloomberg posts an interesting article regarding the UK’s current account deficit a day after my post.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-23/less-need-to-mind-the-gap-in-u-k-amid-record-current-account.html

Thanks GM for the post above and for the explanations with some examples. These is a good info to add and what to look for. I will need to put this into practice.

I’m curious to see if anyone here realizes the low risk profit potential that eurchf possesses for scalping, why this is the case, and what the best way to approach the pair right now is…

I don’t know bro, why did the chicken cross the road?

But at volatility levels like this why bother



[QUOTE=“bobbillbrowne;663255”]I don’t know bro, why did the chicken cross the road?

But at volatility levels like this why bother

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True. Volatility is slow. But it is as close to a no risk trade as possible in this market. It’s sitting at 1.2058 right now, the lowest it can go is 1.2000. The Swiss central bank is committed to selling unlimited Francs to keep the pair from going below that, they have stated this many times.

Now pull up the 15 min eurchf, put a 14 period rsi on there, wait until the rsi falls below 30, and then long with a TP of 10 pips. Sure it may take a day or two to hit the target, but as long as you are buying it below 1.2100, your maximum risk is less then 100 pips, and even if it did continue going down, you’d simply average in again at 1.2010 before the Swiss central bank intervened to bring the pair back up.

Is ten pips worth it? To some its not… But it’s basically a gift trade by the market, we will probably see 5 to 10 or so such entries before it creeps back up above 1.2100. So that’s 50 to 100 pips to be made with EXTREMELY low risk.

So done a bit of research. Turns out on Nov 30 the Swiss goes to the polls to vote on an initiative that imposes significant constraints on the SNB’s conduct of monetary policy. What these initiatives are I don’t know maybe you or someone can explain in more detail. But according to Barclay Capital the passage of the referendum would alter its (the SNB) incentives to pursue balance-sheet related unconventional policy measures, hence would reduce the SNB’s commitment to the EURCHF floor of 1.2000

According to Barclay’s

As a result, it may increase the likelihood of the SNB following the European Central Bank (ECB) in introducing negative deposit rates

and

While gold markets have been most focused on the issue, the five-year phase-in would limit volatility, though passage of the initiative likely would raise the long-term equilibrium price for gold, in our view

Also, Goldman Sachs view that Euro area weakness is set to adversely affect the Swiss economy. Therefor the SNB is in no hurry to hike rates and that the ceiling eventually will not be a binding constraint to hike rates.

Consequently, we have pushed back our forecast for the first SNB rate hike to June 2016 (from December 2015 previously)

The SNB’s exchange rate ceiling against the Euro is often seen as a binding constraint on its future interest rate decisions. But the exchange rate commitment is only likely to become a constraint on rate decisions if the CHF remains close to the 1.20 level against the Euro

There are several reasons that would argue for a depreciation of the CHF against the Euro, opening up the possibility for the SNB to eventually start tightening policy. Most importantly, we expect the situation in the Euro area to gradually improve again over the course of the next year, thereby reducing the risk of a re-emergence of safe haven inflows into the CHF

Now what does that all mean to me. Well not a hell of a lot. I make things from milk so its all a bit of mystery to me. What I do understand is that this 1.2000 ceiling may not be as un-penetrable as you and therefor a majority of the players might think.

So maybe the smart money waits for the price to retrace to about the 1.21170 mark, whack on a sell with a 25 pip SL waiting for a min 125 pip return as the price turns, heads south and breaks though the 1.2000 level taking out all the stops you numb-nuts have in place just below it because of this safe ceiling mentality. The immediately reverse and go long as the price recovers. Morgan Stanley have a project price of 1.23 by end of year.

I also note that Danske Bank sell side research has a short term short trade on with a TP set at 1.2020

As for “scalping” out 10 pips here and there, as someone who does it as part of his trading plan, there are plenty of other opportunities out there where the cost to trade can be halved compared to the EURCHF so again why bother.

So to yourself and emeraldoc (whom I know will be reading). Watch out for us moron want to be traders. After a few years and several thousand hours we start to learn a thing or two. And in this zero sum game I don’t care who’s money it is that I get but at the moment yours and emeraldoc looks pretty cold and hard and nice.

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So to yourself and emeraldoc (whom I know will be reading). Watch out for us moron want to be traders. After a few years and several thousand hours we start to learn a thing or two. And in this zero sum game I don’t care who’s money it is that I get but at the moment yours and emeraldoc looks pretty cold and hard and nice.[/QUOTE]

Why are you talking as if I’m a fan of emerald? His posts are a great display of arrogant ignorance.

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So done a bit of research. Turns out on Nov 30 the Swiss goes to the polls to vote on an initiative that imposes significant constraints on the SNB’s conduct of monetary policy. What these initiatives are I don’t know maybe you or someone can explain in more detail. But according to Barclay Capital the passage of the referendum would alter its (the SNB) incentives to pursue balance-sheet related unconventional policy measures, hence would reduce the SNB’s commitment to the EURCHF floor of 1.2000
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Few in Switzerland want this. The strong franc hurts Switzerland too much for many to want to remove the tools that the SNB has at their disposal to to keep it at a reasonable level. The referendum will come and go without any change. If on the off chance the referendum passes then obviously it would be time to re-evaluate, probably even sell, but the chances for that are extremely slim.

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Also, Goldman Sachs view that Euro area weakness is set to adversely affect the Swiss economy. Therefor the SNB is in no hurry to hike rates and that the ceiling eventually will not be a binding constraint to hike rates.

Now what does that all mean to me. Well not a hell of a lot. I make things from milk so its all a bit of mystery to me. What I do understand is that this 1.2000 ceiling may not be as un-penetrable as you and therefor a majority of the players might think.

So maybe the smart money waits for the price to retrace to about the 1.21170 mark, whack on a sell with a 25 pip SL waiting for a min 125 pip return as the price turns, heads south and breaks though the 1.2000 level taking out all the stops you numb-nuts have in place just below it because of this safe ceiling mentality. The immediately reverse and go long as the price recovers. Morgan Stanley have a project price of 1.23 by end of year.
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If price goes above 1.2100 then I’ll stop scalping it like this as the risk will be more then 100 pips, and I’ll have already made nice and easy pips on its way up. As you said Morgan Stanley is forecasting 1.23 (250 pips higher then it is now) by end of year (2 months from now). I guarantee you smart money will not be selling into the central banks intervention at 1.20.

[QUOTE=“bobbillbrowne;663322”]
As for “scalping” out 10 pips here and there, as someone who does it as part of his trading plan, there are plenty of other opportunities out there where the cost to trade can be halved compared to the EURCHF so again why bother.[/QUOTE]

Cost to trade? Are you talking about spread? Spread for eurchf is the same for me as the eurusd. A 10 pip profit on essentially a no risk trade is 10 pips I lose if I pass it up :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=“bobbillbrowne;663322”]
I also note that Danske Bank sell side research has a short term short trade on with a TP set at 1.2020
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That’s fine, a 20 pip drop from here is nothing. Also danske, like Morgan Stanley is forecasting the eurchf to appreciate into year end and the last I looked, they forecast it to be at 1.24 next year.

I’m long at 1.2058, I’ll post here when it hits the 10 pips TP :slight_smile:

Which is why the markets work, because even though what you and I do has no bearing what so-ever on the markets our thinking is the same as the real players and they do the same thing. Personally, I think I’ll place a buy limit at about 1.2025 and manage the trade from there.

Look I too have lost a bit of respect for emeraldoc, his ego has got in the way. For a big tough solider boy slash property magnate he cry’s like a little girl. But I’ve read a snide remark to by you my friend.

Again many pips for you this week, hope your forecast on this pairs yields well for you.

Bob

[QUOTE=“bobbillbrowne;663333”]Which is why the markets work, because even though what you and I do has no bearing what so-ever on the markets our thinking is the same as the real players and they do the same thing. Personally, I think I’ll place a buy limit at about 1.2025 and manage the trade from there.
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Then we are on the same page :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=“bobbillbrowne;663333”] But I’ve read a snide remark to by you my friend.
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Lol probably accurate.

We certainly are bro, but I think I can learn more from you than you will from me lol

He reminds me of someone I knew before… But I will just bite my lip and zip it lol :wink: I hope this thread will continue on…

EUR/CHF presents the learner trader, who maybe is afraid to commit real money, a learning opportunity seldom found.

We are constantly told not to trade against the 'big boys (and girls), they don’t come much bigger than a central banker.

As in all good set ups there is risk, as pointed out by Bobbi, thks for that Bobbi.

An old, legendary trader often thought about such a scenario, where lies the greatest risk, the risk to the downside as pointed out by Bobbi, or the risk to the upside as noted by Global.

He not only thought about it, he decided to document the outcome, all by hand, long before computers.

He finally came to a conclusion, one that kept him in good stead, it was quite simple really.

He concluded, from many years of analysis, that a trader must always take the “path of least resistance”.

So, with all this technology at my fingertips (literally) I wonder what Mr Livermore would choose. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=“peterma;663352”]EUR/CHF presents the learner trader, who maybe is afraid to commit real money, a learning opportunity seldom found.

We are constantly told not to trade against the 'big boys (and girls), they don’t come much bigger than a central banker.

As in all good set ups there is risk, as pointed out by Bobbi, thks for that Bobbi.

An old, legendary trader often thought about such a scenario, where lies the greatest risk, the risk to the downside as pointed out by Bobbi, or the risk to the upside as noted by Global.

He not only thought about it, he decided to document the outcome, all by hand, long before computers.

He finally came to a conclusion, one that kept him in good stead, it was quite simple really.

He concluded, from many years of analysis, that a trader must always take the “path of least resistance”.

So, with all this technology at my fingertips (literally) I wonder what Mr Livermore would choose. :)[/QUOTE]

Exactly. You highlight everything that needs to be highlighted. Rarely is a such a line in the sand drawn where you know when a huge market player is going to enter and defend a price level. The closer you get to that line, the the less risk you have. The foreign exchange reserves of Switzerland compared to its GDP is HUGE at half a trillion dollars… This makes the costs of them failing to hold the floor at 1.2000 to be so big that failure is not an option at this point.

[QUOTE=“GlobalMacro;662570”]

An update on my thoughts regarding the Aussie. After the CPI release today, I still believe that we are going to see the Aussie push higher against the dollar over the remainder of the week. Inflation in Australia is right where the RBA wants it, and therefore is not a concern for monetary policy as it is for many of the other developed countries right now. Chances are high that tomorrow’s US inflation report will be soft, and being below the Feds target already, it should garner more attention from the market and probably will result in dollar weakness. Dollar long positions are still stretched at this point and profit taking can see these unwind a bit more before the trend resumes.

Equity markets are starting to ease from last weeks turbulence and commodity prices are coming off their lows, both supportive factors for the Aussie. My sell order is sitting at 0.8930.[/QUOTE]

Aussie is indeed seeing the rally, still have my sell order at .8930, if its hit it would probably be in the aftermath of the FOMC tomorrow.

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Aussie is indeed seeing the rally, still have my sell order at .8930, if its hit it would probably be in the aftermath of the FOMC tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Also, nzdusd (at .7925 right now) may provide the better short after the FOMC tomorrow as the RBNZ will be announcing their rate statement which follows the big miss on their inflation release. Coming at a time when the market is watching the rbnz closely for cues on when they resume their next rate hike, I’d say its likely the market will be more then happy to sell the kiwi off if the statement mentions the lower CPI reading. Following that logic, audnzd (at 1.1177 right now) should see a nice jump up as well, an added benefit of longing audnzd is that it keeps you out of the usd ahead of tomorrow’s major risk event for the currency (the FOMC).

I’m going to be messing around with an interesting style (to me at least) of trading. Opened a new myfxbook to track it and will start trading it live next week.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Banker/4-quarters/1100451

[QUOTE=“GlobalMacro;671970”]I’m going to be messing around with an interesting style (to me at least) of trading. Opened a new myfxbook to track it and will start trading it live next week.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Banker/4-quarters/1100451[/QUOTE]

Lol. 3 days in and I got some funny looking stats already. Losing trades lose more pips then winning trades win, less then 50% win rate, and a total negative pip performance… BUT positive 4.5% account gain.

The US is expected to lift money and travel restrictions to Cuba today, after a 54 year embargo. There will be a huge capital influx into the country, companies with operations in Cuba will probably be some of the best investment opportunities for the coming year. This is a big value buying opportunity for longer term investments.

See the website below for international companies doing business in Cuba.

4.5% gain is a good start :slight_smile: I am sure you will do better next time. I will follow your thread and your myfxbook.

Thank you for doing this. It will help a newbie like me. Keep it up!

Lol, he already has done better, Global has … well almost tripled the gain… so he waited until post FOMC … USD/JPY I wonder …

Nice work Global, I’m hoping in time all will be revealed :slight_smile: