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[Forex Troglodyte]

Originally Posted by forex savior

Forex Troglodyte feel free to leave your trading signals here on this thread so that we can all judge for ourselves!

That is a very solid idea. In fact, if you investigate the website further, you will see that every Wednesday evening between 8PM and 9PM New York Time, signals are posted for the following day at: for that very specific purpose. This of course, allows anyone to verify their validly before making the decision to join us.

We provide this upfront information due to claims and testimonials regarding past results being meaningless as they can be doctored to look like anything you wish and thus almost impossible to verify.

As far as posting our signals every day… that would certainly be less than fair to our Neanderthal Brothers and Sisters who have had the confidence and insight to join our clan.

So check out the Wednesday signals. We welcome your scrutiny.

One final thought… when you discover Cavemanforex is valid, we believe a retraction of your baseless and scurrilous accusations would be appropriate. You might even want to pony up the $89.

Regards,
Cavemanforex Support

[Sweet Pip]

Originally Posted by Forex Troglodyte

We provide this upfront information due to claims and testimonials regarding past results being meaningless as they can be doctored to look like anything you wish and thus almost impossible to verify.

So check out the Wednesday signals. We welcome your scrutiny.

Ok, when Forex Saviour first posted his review of this website, I checked it out out of curiosity. I tried the signals and they worked out...but was it just a coincidence? I also took a screen shot of the results and put them in Excel for a couple of other reasons.

This week I checked again to try the new signals, and now the past results are different. So perhaps the "upfront signals" distracts one from the "doctored" past results that now look better than they were...who remembers past results anyways.

Screen shot #1 is how the results looked last week

Screen shot #2 is the results currently displayed and is 160 pips more than last week 4/17 to 5/15.

Waz up with that??

[Forex Troglodyte]

You are absolutely correct.

If you go back and reread our post, no where does it say to use past results. In fact it says we do not believe in them for the very reason you bring up.

All we suggest is you keep an eye on the Wednesday “Signals”.

We continually test several variations in our never ending search for simple and solid profits.

When an improvement is discovered, it is immediately sent to all our members and the results are then updated to reflect this change.

The last update was on Tue May 27, 08. The following email was sent to all our members on that day:

“Hello Fellow Forex Troglodytes,

So far this week we have happily netted 120 pips in the first two days.

In our never ending effort to improve profitability and reduce risk, we have
slightly tweaked the Cavemanforex formula Order Parameters. The following
changes would have added 35 pips to our results this week.

The changes are as follows:

“Sorry Sweet Pip, this line is proprietary”

Stop Loss has been adjusted down 5 pips.

Take Profit has been adjusted up 5 pips.

These minor adjustments add a 5 pip overall gain with every order that
triggers, regardless of it's outcome, while changing our entry point by only
2-3 pips.

The new Cavemanforex pdf is attached along with an updated Order Spreadsheet
Calculator reflecting the changes.

Good Trading,
Cavemanforex Support “

Obviously it makes no sense to have results from a formula that is not the same as the one we are currently using.

As you personally just stated “I tried the signals and they worked out”. Your very own testimonial should be good enough for you.

As for coincidence, keep watching the Wednesday results. There is no rule saying you must get on board today or ever. Time will tell and we’re not going anywhere, though we my take Forex Savior’s advice and raise the price.

We welcome your questions.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex

Originally Posted by Sweet Pip

Ok, when Forex Saviour first posted his review of this website, I checked it out out of curiosity. I tried the signals and they worked out...but was it just a coincidence? I also took a screen shot of the results and put them in Excel for a couple of other reasons.

This week I checked again to try the new signals, and now the past results are different. So perhaps the "upfront signals" distracts one from the "doctored" past results that now look better than they were...who remembers past results anyways.

Screen shot #1 is how the results looked last week

Screen shot #2 is the results currently displayed and is 160 pips more than last week 4/17 to 5/15.

Waz up with that??

[forex savior]

Originally Posted by Forex Troglodyte

That is a very solid idea. In fact, if you investigate the website further, you will see that every Wednesday evening between 8PM and 9PM New York Time, signals are posted for the following day at: Wednesday's Free Forex Picks for that very specific purpose. This of course, allows anyone to verify their validly before making the decision to join us.

We provide this upfront information due to claims and testimonials regarding past results being meaningless as they can be doctored to look like anything you wish and thus almost impossible to verify.

As far as posting our signals every day… that would certainly be less than fair to our Neanderthal Brothers and Sisters who have had the confidence and insight to join our clan.

So check out the Wednesday signals. We welcome your scrutiny.

One final thought… when you discover Cavemanforex is valid, we believe a retraction of your baseless and scurrilous accusations would be appropriate. You might even want to pony up the $89.

Regards,
Cavemanforex Support

Alright Caveman, in the interest of fairness, I'll take you up on your offer! I'm calling it "The Caveman Challenge."

[Forex Troglodyte]

Originally Posted by forex savior

Alright Caveman, in the interest of fairness, I'll take you up on your offer! I'm calling it "The Caveman Challenge."

Dear Mr. Forex Savior,

Though we do not know who you are, or your true motivations, you seem to be a stand-up guy and appear to be one of the few voices in these forex forums with an open mind and a genuine concern for the average trader out there, so we’ll go out on a limb and trust you to report on this endeavor accurately and honestly.

With the “Caveman Challenge” being subject to only the Wednesday results, this would have to go on for 15 weeks or more. While we enjoy the publicity, the dialog in these forums, for whatever reason, seems to lean towards “unpleasantness” on this subject, so we don’t see how dragging it out that long will benefit anyone. To shorten up the challenge we have decided to take you up on your original offer.

As discussed earlier, posting the daily signals in the forum is not fair to our existing clientele. We will, however provide you personally for the next 3 weeks with the daily signals/results under the following 2 conditions.

1. Should our daily signals, prior to the market they refer to, turn up on any forums, we will terminate the challenge.

2. As you can see from the Wednesday results, not every day is a winner nor could one realistically expect that. We all know there are going to be negative days in this or any other market. To that end we would ask you to refrain from reporting on the results till the Friday close of each week.

As we have no idea how many forums you are involved with, in the interest of complete fairness, we will leave it up to you to inform the people who follow your posts in all the forums you participate in.

There will be no signal for this coming Friday June 6, 2008 due to the US Employment Situation report coming out which, as I’m sure you know, produces unpredictable swings in the price on the first Friday of every month. We also do not trade on days with scheduled FOMC announcements, next one being June 25th 08, for the same reason.

All we need is a way to get in touch with you.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex.com

[uptick]

Originally Posted by Forex Troglodyte

Dear Mr. Forex Savior,

Though we do not know who you are, or your true motivations, you seem to be a stand-up guy and appear to be one of the few voices in these forex forums with an open mind and a genuine concern for the average trader out there, so we’ll go out on a limb and trust you to report on this endeavor accurately and honestly.

With the “Caveman Challenge” being subject to only the Wednesday results, this would have to go on for 15 weeks or more. While we enjoy the publicity, the dialog in these forums, for whatever reason, seems to lean towards “unpleasantness” on this subject, so we don’t see how dragging it out that long will benefit anyone. To shorten up the challenge we have decided to take you up on your original offer.

As discussed earlier, posting the daily signals in the forum is not fair to our existing clientele. We will, however provide you personally for the next 3 weeks with the daily signals/results under the following 2 conditions.

1. Should our daily signals, prior to the market they refer to, turn up on any forums, we will terminate the challenge.

2. As you can see from the Wednesday results, not every day is a winner nor could one realistically expect that. We all know there are going to be negative days in this or any other market. To that end we would ask you to refrain from reporting on the results till the Friday close of each week.

As we have no idea how many forums you are involved with, in the interest of complete fairness, we will leave it up to you to inform the people who follow your posts in all the forums you participate in.

There will be no signal for this coming Friday June 6, 2008 due to the US Employment Situation report coming out which, as I’m sure you know, produces unpredictable swings in the price on the first Friday of every month. We also do not trade on days with scheduled FOMC announcements, next one being June 25th 08, for the same reason.

All we need is a way to get in touch with you.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex.com

oh, so if i talk crap about you will you give me free signals too? LOL.

man up and post the signals for a limited time. lets see what you got.

[tonymand]

Originally Posted by Forex Troglodyte

Dear Mr. Forex Savior,

Though we do not know who you are, or your true motivations, you seem to be a stand-up guy and appear to be one of the few voices in these forex forums with an open mind and a genuine concern for the average trader out there, so we’ll go out on a limb and trust you to report on this endeavor accurately and honestly.

With the “Caveman Challenge” being subject to only the Wednesday results, this would have to go on for 15 weeks or more. While we enjoy the publicity, the dialog in these forums, for whatever reason, seems to lean towards “unpleasantness” on this subject, so we don’t see how dragging it out that long will benefit anyone. To shorten up the challenge we have decided to take you up on your original offer.

As discussed earlier, posting the daily signals in the forum is not fair to our existing clientele. We will, however provide you personally for the next 3 weeks with the daily signals/results under the following 2 conditions.

1. Should our daily signals, prior to the market they refer to, turn up on any forums, we will terminate the challenge.

2. As you can see from the Wednesday results, not every day is a winner nor could one realistically expect that. We all know there are going to be negative days in this or any other market. To that end we would ask you to refrain from reporting on the results till the Friday close of each week.

As we have no idea how many forums you are involved with, in the interest of complete fairness, we will leave it up to you to inform the people who follow your posts in all the forums you participate in.

There will be no signal for this coming Friday June 6, 2008 due to the US Employment Situation report coming out which, as I’m sure you know, produces unpredictable swings in the price on the first Friday of every month. We also do not trade on days with scheduled FOMC announcements, next one being June 25th 08, for the same reason.

All we need is a way to get in touch with you.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex.com

Come on guys this is as fair as it could get. While not a fan of signals services forex saviour will be able to see whether things work in real time without there being any disadvantage to paying clients. I for one have some respect for an outfit prepared to do this. At the very least it shows they have some confidence in their own methods

[forex savior]

Originally Posted by Forex Troglodyte

Dear Mr. Forex Savior,

Though we do not know who you are, or your true motivations, you seem to be a stand-up guy and appear to be one of the few voices in these forex forums with an open mind and a genuine concern for the average trader out there, so we’ll go out on a limb and trust you to report on this endeavor accurately and honestly.

With the “Caveman Challenge” being subject to only the Wednesday results, this would have to go on for 15 weeks or more. While we enjoy the publicity, the dialog in these forums, for whatever reason, seems to lean towards “unpleasantness” on this subject, so we don’t see how dragging it out that long will benefit anyone. To shorten up the challenge we have decided to take you up on your original offer.

As discussed earlier, posting the daily signals in the forum is not fair to our existing clientele. We will, however provide you personally for the next 3 weeks with the daily signals/results under the following 2 conditions.

1. Should our daily signals, prior to the market they refer to, turn up on any forums, we will terminate the challenge.

2. As you can see from the Wednesday results, not every day is a winner nor could one realistically expect that. We all know there are going to be negative days in this or any other market. To that end we would ask you to refrain from reporting on the results till the Friday close of each week.

As we have no idea how many forums you are involved with, in the interest of complete fairness, we will leave it up to you to inform the people who follow your posts in all the forums you participate in.

There will be no signal for this coming Friday June 6, 2008 due to the US Employment Situation report coming out which, as I’m sure you know, produces unpredictable swings in the price on the first Friday of every month. We also do not trade on days with scheduled FOMC announcements, next one being June 25th 08, for the same reason.

All we need is a way to get in touch with you.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex.com

a fine idea. but why don't we keep it simple for now and fully transparent with the public. see my post above

[forex savior]

My recent post questioning the validity of Caveman forex’s signals stirred up a chest thumping response from the Cro-Magnon community and like the cavemen from those Geico commercials they are up in arms over the stereotypes the Savior heaped upon them.

Therefore, the Savior has agreed to give the Cavemen a chance to defend their honor. I hereby am announcing “The Caveman Forex Challenge.”

Every Wednesday between 8-9pm Eastern Standard Time Caveman Forex posts a free trade off their signals:
http://www.cavemanforex.com/Wednesda...orexPicks.html

The Savior will be placing these trades on his own Hotspot demo account to test the validity of the signals and the Savior will report the outcome of the trade the following day. The Savior will do this for several months (let’s say three) and then officially give Caveman Forex either the Thumbs UP or Thumbs Down sign.

Alright you homo erecti, the whole trading community is watching you now. I’m giving you guys more publicity than you have ever had before so this is your big chance or else it’s back to caveman’s crib for you!

YouTube - Caveman's Crib

[Forex Troglodyte]

Originally Posted by forex savior

My recent post questioning the validity of Caveman forex’s signals stirred up a chest thumping response from the Cro-Magnon community and like the cavemen from those Geico commercials they are up in arms over the stereotypes the Savior heaped upon them.

Therefore, the Savior has agreed to give the Cavemen a chance to defend their honor. I hereby am announcing “The Caveman Forex Challenge.”

Every Wednesday between 8-9pm Eastern Standard Time Caveman Forex posts a free trade off their signals:
Wednesday's Free Forex Picks

The Savior will be placing these trades on his own Hotspot demo account to test the validity of the signals and the Savior will report the outcome of the trade the following day. The Savior will do this for several months (let’s say three) and then officially give Caveman Forex either the Thumbs UP or Thumbs Down sign.

Alright you homo erecti, the whole trading community is watching you now. I’m giving you guys more publicity than you have ever had before so this is your big chance or else it’s back to caveman’s crib for you!

YouTube - Caveman's Crib

Agreed… a level playing field is all we ask.

We can either do it with Wednesdays over the next 3 months or every day for the next 3 weeks. It’s all the same… your choice.

You had us scratching our collective uni-brows with your delayed response so with the interest of putting this to bed in a timely manner, we sent the last two trading days signals “prior to the market” to Sweet Pip.

We felt her post #262 on 5/30/08 indicated to us and everyone watching that she was a person with integrity who does the proper due diligence and was certainly on the skeptical side.

The last 2 days results can be seen at Password Protected Page

Now for those of you reading this, who think this is a contradiction regarding our feelings on posting past results, re-read the above paragraph. The 2 emails Sweet Pip received from us with the past 2 days signals are time stamped and were sent, we repeat “prior to the market”. I’m sure she will post them for verification if needed.

The above link is password protected. The password is “truth”.

Mr. Savior, if you choose to go Daily vs. Wednesdays, than this will be for your eyes only and the password will be changed as soon as you let us know where to email you the new one.

The signals for the following day will be posted there by 9:00 PM Eastern.

We thank you in advance for informing all who are watching on your various forex travels.

Btw … re: cavemancrib… those guys are just actors... real cavemen were Birkenstocks.

Sincerely,
Cavemanforex.com