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The Chinkou span, the random line that gets produced with the price movement of the candles themselves. When that crossed the "price line" or previous candles,(its made 26 candles back or so) it produces a signal. Up through prices is a buy, down through is a sell. In meta trader its the green line. I cant ever be at the computer to catch the signal and the daily chart. But i use the clould to give me a great idea on where i can think about support and resistance.
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With this post, my much-anticipated arrival has finally come to pass. Now, let the disappointment begin!

First, a note on where you can learn about Ichimoku Kinko Hyo aside from this thread:

There are few resources available in English that discuss Ichimoku Kinko Hyo (IKH hereafter) in much detail. Among them are the Ichiwiki (as 4xStar has mentioned), which is the best online (and best free) resource - it is the Babypips of Ichimoku. Investopedia has a decent article on IKH, as well, but does nothing the Ichiwiki doesn't. The single best work (recently recommended to me and acquired soon thereafter) available is Nicole Elliott's book Ichimoku Charts.

The Ichiwiki is an adequate primer for discussion of IKH and does a fine job summarizing several common but highly effective 'cross' strategies. I would recommend reading at least the first two sections (better yet, all five) to orient yourself to the discussion to follow. Elliott's monograph is for those who have assimilated the Ichiwiki material and wish to delve further.
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A couple of preliminary notes on how to approach the study of IKH:

1) All indicators boil down to and are only, ultimately, so many representations of historic price data points, as we know. IKH is not an indicator; it is a price overlay.

2) This is important to realize because IKH is easily mis-conceptualized and can be intimidating based off of appearance alone. In fact, IKH is nothing other than support and resistance.

3) The fundamental difference between IKH and the classic expression of S/R - and what can provide a verifiable edge if exploited correctly - is that IKH not only expresses the height and breadth of S/R, but also S/R depth. Depth goes beyond horizontal and diagonal lines to describe price volatility and price equilibrium. In short, there is information expressed through IKH about historic, present and future price behavior that is not available using line studies (including fibonacci, etc.) only. Depth of price , in my mind, is the thing so distinctive about IKH.

4) IKH does not preclude use of other indicators or overlays. It can be used as a filter, to supplement other overlays, or as the sole technical component of a system.

5) As I mentioned, IKH can seem overwhelming at first, or needlessly complicated. Maybe it looks revolting to those minimalists who prefer naked price. IKH is, at bottom, moving average data points manipulated according to a simple, specific logic. In other words, it is price. The melee IKH makes out of your chart is actually simple and elegant.

6) IKH is most effective on medium to long TFs: 4H, 1D, 1W. Below 1H (which is pushing it), success will be severely limited. If someone finds a way to effectively use IKH on the 30M or less, don't hesitate to chime in!
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Before going any further, a little exercise:

A couple of charts are attached of the Guppy (GBP/JPY). The first is a chart slashed all across with fibonacci fan (and speed) lines. The second is IKH for the same period.

What similarities or differences do you note between what fibonacci and IKH are presenting?
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Ah, at last our sensei has arrived .. welcome Andrew-san!

And we already have homework
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Brief note, drawn from the GBP/JPY equity building thread:


Ichimoku slapped the move into the kumo (cloud) to 211.20 back to the top of the cloud @ 211.46, but no higher. There's some weak bearish signs here, but we're still in a neutral-bullish zone relative to the cloud, so nothing to act on from IKH. Price did just close down inside the kumo, however - the bottom of which is at 210.70. If price closes outside the bottom of the kumo, back to the 209s.

More to come later. Anyone else want to add some commentary or projections based off of:

The top-down test of the kumo
The Tenkan/Kijun cross (albeit a weak signal above the kumo)
The top-down price cross over Kijun (again, weak)
The correlation between Senkou Span B and dynamic support @ 210.70

etc.

Read Ichiwiki for insight about what all this mean. Any thoughts, no matter how simple or rudimentary-seeming are fair game! We're all here to learn.
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Thanks to all for the work so far.

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There are few resources available in English that discuss Ichimoku Kinko Hyo (IKH hereafter) in much detail.
You know Japanese sources too?


I'm just trying to find as much info as I can.

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You know Japanese sources too?

I'll bet there are plenty but you would have to be able to read the kanji
I just tried googling ichimoku nihongo .. but nothing relevant came up.


I found this article in SFO magazine about IKH:

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I'll bet there are plenty but you would have to be able to read the kanji
I just tried googling ichimoku nihongo .. but nothing relevant came up.
You tried googling it in japanese text? If you just type ichimoku it isn't likely to pull up anything because it's a normal word.
So I typed the name of the thread. In Japanese it's 一目均衡表.
If you want to type it, the o's are long, so the full 'correct' spelling is "Ichimoku kinkou hyou."


I've got a extension for firefox that displays the pronunciation of the kanji (furigana) if it is in text format. It shows me how to read the kanji when I don't know it.


Here is one source i have (it's in japanese):
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I am searching sources in both languages myself, but if anyone happens to have a link already to one, I'll definitely bookmark it and put it on my list to read. It would likely be helpful.

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