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Old 01-12-2008, 07:48 PM
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But if I may, just look at this account statement. IT IS NOT MINE... but i am absolutely staggered by the results. The guy literally turned 1k into 125k in one week. Talk about margin leverage usage. I found this over at forex factory and just had to pop this in. Not exactly topical, but i've never seen anything like this before.

The amount of trades he took is ridiculous in its own right, but you can't fault the outcomes. Freaking crazy
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I wonder what he/she is on!
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Old 01-12-2008, 08:03 PM
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I know alot of things are possible with forex(more so with no MM)But that claim is impossible!!!!
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Well the guy did say it was his "wild west" account that he used no money managment on whatsoever and the results were only possible 4 weeks out of the year... After reading most of the 44 page thread I think the guy is legit... but my god... hes either VERY good, or VERY crazy.
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my god!!!!!!
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:13 AM
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I am sat here on Sunday afternoon trying everything I can to avoid doing my overdue tax return when I came across the 'fibs are lies' post on this thread. Well that fella certainly has problems and probably wont make it in this business. You have to be curious and have an open mind and above all observe what actually happens with price action if you want to be successful. That is a talent possessed by few. Daedalus has done a fabulous job of not only bringing fibs to the fore but also showing you how to develop and implement a trading plan and tweak it as necessary as you go along

Now are fibs the golden ratio? I dont have the foggiest idea. Can they help you in trading - quite likely. Why - I havent the foggiest idea but if running naked round the neighbourhood gave me a reliable edge in fx I would do it (late at night probably!)

I thought I would demonstrate how you might take an observation and begin to build a trading idea out of it. If you are starting with fibs obviously pay attention to Daedalus, but there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat.

Jimmy Young talks about the power of the 78.6 fib so I thought I would demonstrate this on a random chart and timeframe.

I have taken the H1 GU and since November you would agree we have a nice downtrend. Lets say you simply sold on retracement to the 78.6 fib stop above 100%. As you can see most trades go in your direction

Now introduce Daedalus' idea of taking profit at a certain level. For simplicity sake I have used all out at the 38.2 rather than a staged exit. As Daedalus rightly says we have lost 2 enormous runs (but could we have stayed with the trend live) but have replaced this with a certain return of over 80% (see final chart for calculation of this). This includes taking trades where we might well have seen that we were in a retracement and indeed a couple worked out OK even against the retrace

Note this is not a trading system. You need to do the sort of development work that Daedalus has done. This includes multiple timeframes (for me key support and resistance levels), sensible money management, tests on different pairs and timeframes etc etc (in fact all the things D talks about).

Next time someone says this is all lies, take a step back and realise that we are trying to make sense of a chaotic environment. We need to be pragmatic and simply ask what works. Since Nov Fibs on this chart would have assisted you to be on the right side of a trade. Will it carry on being useful over the next few months, who knows. Thats part of the continuing questioning and testing to find something thats robust enough to be helpful for long enough. Having followed the 78.6 on the GU for over a year though I can tell you it is not a flash in the pan or restricted to this timeframe. I dont however trade with it like this but will take note of it in my overall analysis

Hope this is food for thought
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:14 AM
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Charts 13 and 14. I did this all fairly quick so if I have missed some trades it wasnt intentional
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Data Mining: Day Two - The Revelation of Probability

I'm afraid i'm altering my management once again. But I promise its for good reason and it will improve your profitability. If you don't feel like lynching me after this I really think you'll make a lot more money!

As many of you know, I used to trade the e-mini's in the Russell 2000 and S&P 500. Their price action is very different from that of Forex. Yea, they all make swings and measured pullbacks, but how those swings play out happen in two very different ways. The indices's like to move and if they go they go. No stops they are straight up to swing highs or the -38.2% without two much of a fuss. And that happens a fair amount of the time. Enough to try and hold for the big runners as I have advocated in this thread. However, the forex markets act much differently.

I've found over the past month of familiarizing myself with these markets that they will make nice swings, but commonly fail after a nice bit of profit only to retest the level you originally got in at and continue on, or not. But I think anyone who has looked at applying this method to the markets can agree with me that it really is not that high odds that each swing will go onto take out the -38.2% extension. Don't get me wrong-it does happen, but according to my data only roughly 1 out of 10 or 15 trades will fully play out that way. And when it does - you're rolling in the dough right? Right. But what if we gave up that 1 in 15 chance for big money to make slightly less big money 8 out of 10 times? Would we make more? Actually... YES.

Don't believe me? Go check your trade journals and retest the outcomes of your management if you took profit at the 23.6% level EACH time. (You ARE all journaling right? )

I did that analysis on the trades i've taken this month. Result? I would've been not 1, not 2, but over 3 TIMES MORE PROFITABLE!!! (Actually 3.3x's but who's counting eh?).

Just look at the swings - they speak for themselves. How many go up and hit the 23.6 without too much of a fuss? A hell of a lot. How many quit there? Quite a few. Compare that to how many actually go for a big runner. See what i'm getting at?

Were playing the odds here boys. We've got an edge and part of that edge is understanding what the HIGHEST PROBABILITY outcome of each trade is going to be. I feel that that outcome is the 23.6% price level being hit. And just as importantly it also means that it is a risk of 1 and a reward of 1.5 on each trade we take (Risk: 87%-62% = 25%, Reward: 62%-24% = 38%, ie. 38%/25% = 1.52). I like those odds. That means I only have to be right about my trades less than 50% of the time and I still make money. I like those odds!

Look... either way you will make money. But I feel you will be making much more money by siding with the probabilities here; and they say the same thing... 23.6% is much more probable than -38.2%.

The results from this months entries using the old method of holding for gold: 114 Pips.
The results taking profit at 23.6% on each trade: 372 Pips.

The average trade win went 19 pips to 62 pips!

But don't take my word for it. Tell me what it would've changed on your setups - i'm honestly very curious. But I think you'll be impressed with the change.

Hope this helps folks... Cheers!

hi, i started trading a couple of months ago and i have progressed in leaps and bounds. day before yesterday i decided to try uisng fibs on a tip from a friend. i used other indicators before but hadn't really explored fibs until the last couple of days!

the point i want to make is this: i came to the same conclusion about the 23.6% fib as daedulus and i did this INDEPENDENTLY! i thought about it, back tested on the demo, made some money live, but wanted more confirmation, so i came to babypips forum on fibs and found the above.

now i know my fate is sealed! forward and onwards to a happy, propsperous and wampuminous life and a golden retirement for all who follow this free trading system.

thank daedulus for the confirmation
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