Risk Warning on FXCM Huge Losses for All Chinese Forex Investors

FX110 website, as an influential and comprehensive forex portal website, is obliged to give all forex investors, especially Chinese ones, prudential and professional suggestions about what to do in the wave of CHF exposure.

Chinese Clients of FXCM are Reminded to Withdraw Funds Before Those from Other Countries do, to Avoid Being the Only Group of losers.

To ensure the safety of Chinese investors’ funds, We have invited a certified public accountant with favorable qualification to check the financial statements of FXCM. The accountant concluded that the assets of FXCM indicated on the financial statements are deficient to pay off the loan of $300 million with additional interests. And it is hard to understand the conduct of Leucadia to have financed $300 million to FXCM, based on the net profits and net assets as well as the growth curves of years of 2013 and 2014 of FXCM, and relevant trade experience.

By September 30th , 2014, FXCM owned the net assets of about $263 million, with negative after-tax profits of $-5.61 million. After the CHF event, which led to a loss of $225 million, the current net assets is predicted to be about $38 million. Though the FXCM fourth quarterly financial statement of 2014 has not been found on the website of sina finance. it is predicted that FXCM operated with losses in the fourth quarter. Thus the net assets of FXCM after the CHF event was probably less than $20 million, more than which the minimum regulatory capital requirement for FXCM by NFA is. FXCM also announced that it may not meet the regulatory capital requirement after the CHF event.

The after-tax profits of 2013 for FXCM was only $34.84 million despite of a favorable operating status. In 2014, FXCM was at a loss as a whole. So we conclude that the FXCM net capital of less than $20 million is deficient to repay the loan of $300 million with an initial coupon of 10%.

Detailed information about the financial statements of FXCM can be found on the website of sina financial.



As one of the most authoritative and neutral forex portal website in China, fx110 website thinks that it has the duty to tell people how to deal with financial crisis. According to FXCM’s $225 million losses, we have studied $300 million financing channels of Leucadia to FXCM, maybe which is just an empty talk.

First, FXCM lost $225 million, whose stocks price fall down 85.59%, and market capitalization just keep to $74.5 million. However, FXCM admitted in the announcements that it cannot meet the capital requirements of the regulatory agencies, which can be inferred that FXCM cannot meet NFA’s $20 million minimum requirement. Thus you can image FXCM current capital strength.

Second, why does Leucadia is willing to loan $300 million to FXCM on the conditions that FXCM only has $7.45 million market value. Is it a charity? Any banks and investment institutions require the borrowers having the ability to repay the loan.

Third, According to the loan terms between FXCM and Leucadia, FXCM and its subsidiaries guaranteed that Leucadia can obtain certain percentage of its sale proceeds and, in the event FXCM makes other distributions on account of its equity, a corresponding payment for its own account. if so, FXCM’s future trading environment will be worse and worse. If FXCM is in debt and still need to pay the loan, can it not infringe on the interests of investors?

Forth, FXCM is only a retail forex exchange dealer, whose trading volume can be said to be tiny, compared with big investment Banks. However, the world biggest banks like Citigroup and Deutsche bank only lost $100 million. Moreover, I think it is impossible that the trading loss from the clients of FXCM reached $225 million under the condition of EUR/CHF not being popular currency pair. So we speculated that FXCM made use of client funds to bet with other banks.

Most of Chinese Clients are trade with FXCM UK not FXCM American. According to FCA regulation rules, the swiss franc movements should not have affected client’s money because of segregated account. But it is the fact that clients money was suffered a loss. Maybe FXCM embezzled client capital, which hasn’t been confirmed so far by FXCM.

FXCM comes to a global crisis owing to clients from all over the world. Timely $300 million loans to FXCM is a good chance to remit the capital pressure. As a result, all the clients will split the loans.

As Chinese clients are not good at English, and foreign exchange trading are not allowed in China, which mean Chinese clients will not be protected by law. It is no doubt that Chinese clients will suffer a loss if clients from other countries withdraw firstly.Moreover,it takes time,money and high lawer expenses to take the case to court. Most of them will quit since all these expenses may exceed his capital in FXCM.

There is no 100% safe company in the world, We can still remember Refco event in 2005.Refco’s market value was $3.6 billion, but it went bankruptcy overnight. Many Chinese clients only to accept it but can do nothing. Newbies haven’t realized the serious situation so far.

It is also our best wish that FXCM could get through this crisis. Given that protecting the interests of Chinese investors,FX110 website suggest withdraw should come first.

[QUOTE=“Elizabeth Chan;678198”] Forth, FXCM is only a retail forex exchange dealer, whose trading volume can be said to be tiny, compared with big investment Banks. However, the world biggest banks like Citigroup and Deutsche bank only lost $100 million. Moreover, I think it is impossible that the trading loss from the clients of FXCM reached $225 million under the condition of EUR/CHF not being popular currency pair. So we speculated that FXCM made use of client funds to bet with other banks. Most of Chinese Clients are trade with FXCM UK not FXCM American. According to FCA regulation rules, the swiss franc movements should not have affected client’s money because of segregated account. But it is the fact that clients money was suffered a loss. Maybe FXCM embezzled client capital, which hasn’t been confirmed so far by FXCM. FXCM comes to a global crisis owing to clients from all over the world. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps the best point of the post.

I am not sure if this post is a joke or what but that is a ton of assumptions and randomly unsubstantiated allegations.

FXCMs financials are available to the public as they are a stock listed company on the NYSE.
Do you really think that Leucadia would provide a loan to FXCM if they were not sure they would get their money back?

Leucadia is most likely looking to recoup their loan by a sale of certain FXCM assets as can be seen in their latest announcement.

I do not see how this would have any impact on their clients and if they change their commission structure or spreads down the line it is easy to see and you can just change broker then.

PS: Above it states that no Chinese clients would be safe in the case of a bankruptcy but no US clients would be safe either since Forex is not covered by SIPC (unless FXCM has a special insurance in place which I haven’t looked into).

The facts are that Leucadia National Corporation extended a $300M loan to FXCM, and the funds have been applied to meet the company’s regulatory capital. Furthermore, the regulators are fully aware of the transaction, so FXCM continues normal trading operations.

Punitive’ Terms

The Leucadia deal looked better on Friday afternoon, when FXCM said it would receive the loan at 10 percent interest. FXCM, which had plummeted to as low as 98 cents on Friday morning, rebounded above $4 that afternoon, after the rescue was announced.

FXCM revealed last night that the interest rate on the two-year loan can rise to as high as 17 percent. On top of that, Leucadia will receive at least half of the proceeds from a sale.

FXCM probably will try to sell itself by April and stockholders would keep 10 percent of the proceeds, Katz wrote in the report. The company faces “punitive” financial terms if there’s no sale by then, he said.

Before the deal, FXCM was in danger of breaching capital requirements, which could have forced it to shut down. The brokerage had 874 employees at the end of 2013, according to regulatory filings.

FXCM, which closed Thursday at $12.63, tumbled to $1.52 at 11:33 a.m. in New York. Leucadia, the owner of investment bank Jefferies Group LLC, can force a sale of the currency broker and keep most of the proceeds for itself under terms of a $300 million loan, FXCM said late yesterday in a statement. Analysts at Citigroup Inc. said today in a report that the deal “essentially wiped out” the value of FXCM’s stock.

“They pursued a bunch of alternatives and I’m sure they felt this was the least destructive for the FXCM shareholders,” William Katz, the Citigroup analyst who wrote the report, said in a telephone interview. “It basically, under most scenarios, wipes out the value of the equity.”

Leucadia Chief Executive Officer Richard Handler extended a lifeline to FXCM, the largest U.S. retail foreign-exchange broker, after the Swiss central bank’s surprise decision last week to let the franc trade freely against the euro.
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The New York-based broker had allowed customers to trade with as much as 200-to-1 leverage and couldn’t close out their trades before taking losses.

“Things happened so quickly,” Katz said. “That’s the lesson about having a lot of leverage in a retail FX trading account. It doesn’t leave a lot of margin for error.”

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Hopefully Jason is getting his resume out there…

Seriously don’t be a ****. If you have ever worked at a company that has gone bust it sucks. No matter which way this goes no one deserves to loose their job over some like this.

[QUOTE=“pipwhip;678670”] Seriously don’t be a ****. If you have ever worked at a company that has gone bust it sucks. No matter which way this goes no one deserves to loose their job over some like this.[/QUOTE] Chill out bud. I wasn’t being facetious… If he hasn’t thought about what’s on the horizon he needs too.

Sure as hell with all the armchair warriors trading micro accounts posting up s*** they are taking a stab in the dark about knowing, might help spook customers out the door and really drive a proper nail into the coffin.

For starters, FXCM have been one of the only companies that come out and has their financial position known after all this and had regulators check they are still fine. Everyone else has just made statements saying they are still fine. Guess we will all see next reporting end of quarter.

Not cool making light of anyone’s job future. Neither those that make baseless accusations about financial standing purely on speculation. Especially when those accusations may contribute to making the problem a reality for any company.

[QUOTE=“Getty;678680”] Sure as hell with all the armchair warriors trading micro accounts posting up s*** they are taking a stab in the dark about knowing, might help spook customers out the door and really drive a proper nail into the coffin. [/QUOTE]

Lol no one has to take a stab in the dark. FXCM lost $225 to $250 million… Stocks plummeted 90 some percent… Now on a lifeline loan which may or may not be sustainable. It doesn’t take much to put two and two together… FXCM’s future looks extremely dark right now. Hence if I were Jason id be updating my resume and if I were a client of FXCM I would be scrambling to find a new broker.

Thanks guys :57:

To reiterate, trading on FXCM’s systems continue in the normal course of business. It is important to stress that FXCM is not insolvent, has not filed for any form of bankruptcy, and is in compliance with all regulatory capital requirements in the jurisdictions in which we operate.

[QUOTE=“Jason Rogers;678683”] is important to stress that FXCM is not insolvent, has not filed for any form of bankruptcy, and is in compliance with all regulatory capital requirements in the jurisdictions in which we operate.[/QUOTE] But at the cost of servicing a $300 million loan at 10% interest per year… Which will be even harder to pay off seeing as overall client funds will be diminished directly from the trading losses or by clients leaving due to the shaky financial situation.

So they get a $300mil loan in days because of what? Going by this thread, $20mil bank? Doesn’t cut it. Something we are not shown is covering the risk. There is a reason a lender will loan $300mil. If the assets don’t cover it, the business model must.

Stocks plummet because investors get spooked. Look out, Apple inc must be toast also, they lost $250 off the share price!

CHF as a currency must be out the door also, did you see how much that lost!? Guess that wont be around for much longer…

You realize that companies have ups and downs, they need quick funding at times and others they spend profit in buying assets. That is what a management team are for, to manage through good and bad.

[QUOTE=“Getty;678687”] So they get a $300mil loan in days because of what? Going by this thread, $20mil bank? Doesn’t cut it. Something we are not shown is covering the risk. There is a reason a lender will loan $300mil. If the assets don’t cover it, the business model must. Stocks plummet because investors get spooked. Look out, Apple inc must be toast also, they lost $250 off the share price! CHF as a currency must be out the door also, did you see how much that lost!? Guess that wont be around for much longer… You realize that companies have ups and downs, they need quick funding at times and others they spend profit in buying assets. That is what a management team are for, to manage through good and bad.[/QUOTE] FXCM total client equity on September 30th was around $1.3 billion… So a $250 million loss is around 18ish % of FXCMs entire client funds… FXCM annual revenue is around $400 million… Given that this is more or less directly proportional to total client equity, this will be reduced by around 20% … So revenue may be a little above $300 million next year. A firm who is only operating because of a loan which is equal to the amount of revenue it brings in for an entire year is not in a good position… Doesn’t take a professional analyst to figure that out. But all of this is just my opinion as I sit in my armchair taking wild stabs in the dark :wink:

So why get a $300m loan so quick. They don’t hand them out with the strong likelihood of not being paid back. Or else Alpari would have got one also. You think US client funds are fair game and the lender is eying that off when setting up the deal? Surely that has some protection or with all your regulation over there they don’t protect the actual small timers at all, just bail out the TBTF?

Careful you don’t cut yourself sitting in the dark ;D

[QUOTE=“Getty;678692”] So why get a $300m loan so quick. They don’t hand them out with the strong likelihood of not being paid back. Or else Alpari would have got one also. You think US client funds are fair game and the lender is eying that off when setting up the deal? Surely that has some protection or with all your regulation over there they don’t protect the actual small timers at all, just bail out the TBTF? Careful you don’t cut yourself sitting in the dark ;D[/QUOTE] So you would be comfortable depositing a large sum of money with a broker whose only option for staying in business was to take out a loan which is equal in size to an entire years worth of revenue and cost $21 million to finance? … FXCM will more then likely be bleeding clients to Oanda and Forex.com… Legal fees are going to be huge…No reason to go down with a sinking ship.

http://ir.fxcm.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=891881

One should boycott FXCM in sympathy with the thousands of traders who have received negative balance on their account after black swan CHF until FXCM public goes out and announces that they will cover negative balances on client accounts related to CHF move on SNB decision on 15.01.2015.

DUKASCOPY: NO TRADE CANCELLATIONS, NO NEGATIVE BALANCES
Management of Dukascopy Group has decided to take an exceptional decision to cover negative balances on client accounts related to CHF move on SNB decision on 15.01.2015.
In spite of the fact that agreements and regulation allow Dukascopy to claim negative balances compensated by clients, it was decided to release customers from obligation to cover negative balance.
Dukascopy Bank has not canceled or negatively adjusted any trade concluded on 15.01.2015 with clients during the CHF move.
Dukascopy Bank and Dukascopy Europe invite all the industry to follow the same approach to build up customers trust in the industry.

OANDA
We Are On Your Side
In the wake of the unexpected market events on January 15, we did not re-quote or amend any of our clients’ CHF trades. We also took the unprecedented step of forgiving all of our clients’ negative balances* because we believe that was the right thing to do. That shouldn’t make us different. But it does.
*Where permitted by regulations

Yes, but have segregated account so a little protection built in from the start.
Plenty of companies have to pay for quick finance. Reading through the link you posted does not seem to hold any major concerns for customers. Neither does it appear that the financier is wanting to tamper with the company or how it is run. I certainly think it is premature to continue with scare reactions that may have rippled through in the initial days seeing as FXCM have secured this line of credit. This will be more likely the reason that FXCM might bleed clients because of people not taking the time to look at what is really on the table and reacting in fear.

When you talk about the figures it looks like $300M total, $21M to finance, $225-250M debt, leaves $29-54M. With a little luck they already have the $250M clause covered. Would they be able to use this extra money to trade separately for the company and trade out of this? They have the expertise in house already…

When you say legal fees will be huge, what are you referring to here? Customers towards FXCM, FXCM towards customers or something else?

Those that had a position in CHF lost money. Those that DID NOT have a position lost nothing! It would be nice if FXCM forgave those that lost out so bad they blew their account on ONE!!! trade and now have a debt, likewise it would have been nice if those customers had taken the time to read the T&C’s and understand that stops are not guaranteed, trading is high risk and carries considerable risk of loosing all your account or more then what is deposited in your account.

It is poor form to demand a company forgives a $250M combined mistake of some customers, it is not a small amount and has had a considerable impact on the company. It would certainly be appreciated by those customers that lost out but I really think demanding it is the wrong way to approach it.
In reality with the loan agreement this customer position will end up costing far more then the $250M and that is what you are really asking FXCM to wear.

[QUOTE=“Getty;678878”] Yes, but have segregated account so a little protection built in from the start. Plenty of companies have to pay for quick finance. Reading through the link you posted does not seem to hold any major concerns for customers. Neither does it appear that the financier is wanting to tamper with the company or how it is run. I certainly think it is premature to continue with scare reactions that may have rippled through in the initial days seeing as FXCM have secured this line of credit. This will be more likely the reason that FXCM might bleed clients because of people not taking the time to look at what is really on the table and reacting in fear. When you talk about the figures it looks like $300M total, $21M to finance, $225-250M debt, leaves $29-54M. With a little luck they already have the $250M clause covered. Would they be able to use this extra money to trade separately for the company and trade out of this? They have the expertise in house already… When you say legal fees will be huge, what are you referring to here? Customers towards FXCM, FXCM towards customers or something else?[/QUOTE]

Legal fees as in defending itself against client lawsuits as well as a potential class action lawsuit.

Some of the not so nice terms of the loan are that the loan issuer can force FXCM to sell the company if they wanted to, the loan interest rates increases by 1.5% every quarter until it reaches a whopping 17%, and a $10 million fee for deferment as well as a $30 million for an outstanding balance greater than $250 million by April 2016. Whether you see a problem or not, Keeping an account at FXCM is a greater risk than it is to keep it at one of its competitors. That being the case it will rightly lose clients as no wise individual will assume a higher risk for no return. As it loses clients it will lose revenue, making it harder to service the loan.