Crude Oil and oil markets

Hey Manx, I enjoy reading you.
Maybe our combined analysis will be even more useful ? If you watch my last post of today and plot the line I mentioned you would probably have gotten it =] Maybe maybe not ! I was one click away from selling in the .60s. Estimated I was going to stay with the little profit I made without risking more.

In any cases your recaps are sure helping my understanding, good job !

Yeah today was peculiar I believe, FOMC type of entry, priced a few hours before. But as you mentioned it made very much sense, in hindsight.

See you soon, I ll be laying out my plan for friday, tomorrow.
Thatd be interesting to exchange with you.

Keep up,

Tof

Gotta love how this move down also happened at a round number level [47.0] - a simple tactic that forms the foundation of all my own work. You’d be surprised just how often this holds true; and evidently not just in FX.

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Yes I have noticed that too. In fact there is quite a lot of stuff on the net about Pyschological Trading Levels such as the “double 00’s”.

I have also noticed that it seems a lot of people do the same as I do and place their targets/stops just before or after these levels. It manifests itself in the form of price movements usually failing just short of such a level at its first approach, retracing a little and then retrying and eventually breaking or retreating from these levels.

I can’t think of any logical reason why this should be except that it has a psychological feel about it and has become somewhat self-fulfilling though its wide acknowledgement! But who cares why if it works! :smiley:

Thank you. Yes, I will be watching what you post…

I should mention that although I have traded currencies for some time, I am a total newbie to Crude Oil and only swapped over to this a few months back. So far, I have no regrets and I enjoy the topic itself as well as finding it profitable.

I believe, and I may be incorrect, that it has quite a lot to do with ‘Option Trading’; which are typically priced at/ expire at round number levels. So, in order to protect a deep option trade the level must not be breached, hence the round number level holding. This roughly translates through to the Spot FX markets also, which is why we get this phenomenon - although there is some rational logic behind it. The bigger the option barrier, the stronger the round number level. Same approach for FX and commodities.

And, as we know, some option trades in commodities can be truly huge - most recently (off the top of my head) was in Silver.

Citation: “A barrier option can be a knock-out, meaning it can expire worthless if the underlying exceeds a certain price, limiting profits for the holder but limiting losses for the writer. It can also be a knock-in, meaning it has no value until the underlying reaches a certain price

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It sometimes happens that a market can get itself into such a frenzy of conflicting views over a relatively simple issue that one can only conclude that all it can do is trip over its own shoelaces - first the left foot and then the right!

Firstly, we had the experts claiming that oil had officially entered the bear mode, having dropped over 20% from its recent highs - reason being doubts about OPEC succeeding in shrinking the oil glut because of increasing US shale oil.

That was immediately followed by a straight series of up days - reason being that prices had reached the US shale oil breakeven and taps were being turned off.

Yesterday morning we saw a sharp and deep drop in price - reason being Russia says it is not interested in deeper production cuts within the OPEC/NOPEC agreement.

Yesterday evening sees a bounce up in prices - reason being the American Petroleum Institute (API) reporting a larger than expected draw of 5.764 mill barrels in US crude oil inventories (expectations were for only a 2.83 mill barrels draw.

The API also reported a large drop in gasoline inventories of 5.7 mill barrels compared with an expected draw of only 500,000 barrels. Since this figure is for the week ending June 30, I don’t know whether this already includes the usage over the US July 4 holiday. I assume these figures are based on gasoline distributors’ orders from the refineries and not the actual retail tanking at the gas pumps, so I guess it does already reflect the holiday consumption.

Here is the API table of changes in Crude Oil Stocks for this year:

http://cdn.oilprice.com//images/tinymce/Invent.jpg

Anyway, getting back to the point, later today we will have the EIA versions of weekly Crude Oil and Gasoline changes, and these often differ substantially from the API reports. So will we get yet another kneejerk reaction?

The point is, all these issues relate purely to the current amount of oil in storage and whether it is going to reduce to the levels desired by OPEC or stay high? But whilst no one is actually dumping huge amounts on the market at rock-bottom prices, how much does this issue really matter? Afterall, we are not talking about a scarcity of oil, nor are we talking about possible price wars like we have seen before.

Maybe what we are really talking about is whether OPEC controls price via the supply taps or does the US? The current US policy is to focus heavily on increasing hydrocarbon energy forms, achieving greater independence in meeting its own energy requirements and utilising energy resources in its negotiations with its trading partners. Nobody wants super-low prices but higher prices are going to be met with correspondingly greater production, and not only in the US.

But as we all know, markets are speculatory and trade on the flavour of the day…:slight_smile: and that’s why we like them. A think one of the key qualities of a good trader is a total lack of a logical mind - never look for sense in the move, only how far is it likely to go! :smiley:

Interestingly, the oil market seems to have totally ignored the geo-political problems brewing around North Korea. There has been a lot of continuous rhetoric and muscle-flexing going on for months, but no one has seriously believed that Nth. Korea was a serious global threat. Now that has changed with the US acknowledging that Nth Korea tested, apparently successfully, an ICBM capable of reaching the outskirts of the US. This issue is surely coming to a point of no return where a solution has to be found.

But we have three of the biggest global oil nations involved in this: the US, Russia and China. And these three do not have the same thoughts how this issue should be resolved. Relations between the US and Russia are already severely strained and it looks like the US and China are now also going to fall out over this.

Personally, I consider this a far more serious issue than counting the barrels in the storage depots. Both Nth and Sth Korea are heavily populated countries and are technically still at war with each other. Even a limited, local clash could be disastrous, but if these three super-powers are drawn in then we are into a cataclysmic scenario that could escalate far beyond those two of the last century!

But in the short term for this week? I have no view, my charts are mixed and neutral. So I am (again) trading mini signals on the 15m chart for a fixed 15-50 pips per trade - in either direction.

High-5
Interestingly, the stop has now jumped to yesterday’s low at 44.51 and now locks in a profit of +9 pips. It was currently in profit at yesterday’s close by +115.50 pips.
THe High-5 method is found here: Starting out trading and dont know how to make Profits?

Good point!
I remember in the good old institutional days, that we had a customer-based OTC options portfolio that we often hedged through the exchange-traded options with strike prices on the “psychological” intervals. The aim was to keep the book fairly neutral and profit from the time decay but deep in-the-money options were often matched with futures or spot positions. I was not so directly involved in that side, my options trading was more related to exchange-traded US interest rates, eurodollars to T-bonds, (but thats going back enough to stretch my memory a bit!).

It is certainly getting tough to earn a living this week from oil! Most of the day was totally dead in the water, just tightrope walking along the daily pivot line waiting for the EIA US oil stocks release. Then when it came it was a huge draw of 6.3 mill barrels - even more than yesterday’s API release. This prompted a quick spike up and then stopped in its tracks. This raised a strong suspicion that if it could not immediately climb higher then something was “wrong” and it most likely would collapse back a bit…but how far?

This was the dilemma then! Yesterday we climbed strongly on the API’s draw of 5.76 mill barrels so how far could we fall on the EIA’s even greater draw of 6.3 mill barrels!!!

But I sold it anyway and of course, closed out when it reached the daily pivot line for a meagre 21 pips win - only to see it then crash through it and drop a further 80 pips. :grin:

My only comfort lies in still being somewhat “junior” in oil trading and I am still extremely cautious with my trades. In addition, these kinds of daily reversals and contrary news events are hard to trade with any conviction and confidence. Indeed it is weeks like this that reinforce my view that trading for a living is not a good idea. I would always prefer to be pleased with 21 pips because it is more than zero rather than frustrated with only 21 pips because it wasn’t the 100 pips I needed. These are important issues for all traders to consider when thinking how much they wish to rely on trading for a living.

Well, never a dull day in Crude Oil. Tomorrow evening all eyes will be on the BH US oil rigs count after last week’s decline - the first in a straight run of 23 weeks. If it is down then we go up - if it is up we go down :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

This is today’s hourly (so far):

Yesterday provided a very good example of how markets initially react to, and only later interpret, high-profile news releases.

The EIA weekly release on Crude Oil stocks is a similar high-profile release to the monthly NFP in forex. They are both hyped up numbers and actually provide a fairly complex range of data and not just one number. But the speculative trade, including probably nearly all retail traders, tend to focus on only one main, highly advertised, statistic, compare it with the analysts’ estimates, slap on a trade and see what happens. All other data included with the release is generally ignored… until the analysts dig into them.

We rallied strongly on Weds’ API data showing a big draw in inventories of both crude stocks and gasoline. Then yesterday saw the EIA release even bigger drawdown data for both categories - and sure enough we spiked up again. But the gain almost eerily stopped dead and oscillated around, undecidedly, for a full 2 hours after that. Then it made up its mind and started a strong sell-off that continued overnight (and probably during today, too).

So what was the deal?

The trader’s usual focus is generally on the difference between the actual release and the experts’ predictions, and we call this “Fundamentals”. But Fundamentals are much more longer term than one data item and are the underlying trends that continue to affect prices over a long period regardless of the occasional blips in the other direction.

This was the case with this week’s crude oil inventories data.

The positive sentiment initially created by the two falling inventories figures was quickly snuffed out as soon as the market realised that another aspect in the data release showed an increase in US production by 1% over the week to 9.34 mill bpd. Now this was a data item confirming the long term fundamental that US oil production is increasing towards record levels and is also a govt priority…production output and stocks are not the same thing, so the market shed the stocks figures and grabbed the production increase and…down we went! :slight_smile:

This also happened to occur at a time when there was evidence of increasing oil exports from OPEC nations in spite of the cuts in production allowances suggesting strains within OPEC concerning market share. When you throw petrol onto a smouldering fire you get…

One other piece of news underlined the US administration energy policy for increased hydrocarbon production:

The US Interior Secretary, Ryan Zinke announced plans to speed up processing of applications for oil and gas drilling as well as more frequent sales of drilling rights on federal lands.

With increasing US (and other countries) production and doubts concerning OPEC unity below the surface, there is not much to get excited about on the upside right now in spite of seasonal fluctuations in stock levels…but there are always the unknown geo-political risks that lurk around every corner - whether it is cyber attacks on industrial control systems, terrorist attacks on plant facilities, or international sanctions, blockades and even hostilities (and not to ignore even the weather with the hurricane season and the US dollar value). I guess here’s enough fundamental stuff to convert even the most adamant fundamentalist trader to charting :smiley:

This is the 1H chart showing the API and EIA rallies, followed by the slump last night and early this morning caused by the increase in US production figures:

The high 5 stop is still at 44.51 - not far away right now (currently 45.00)

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Here is a good graphic of what the oil world is talking about when OPEC and others refer to, compare with, and are concerned about, the 5 year average inventories:

The yellow line is 2017 actual figures

The darl blue is the 2016 actual figures

…and the cloud is the 5-year historical range!

This shows clearly how big the global oil glut is and that it is still far from the OPEC objectives of supply/demand balance.

https://www.oilandgas360.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/07052017crudeInventory.jpg?x56664

This was one of those mornings where everything goes right! :slight_smile:

Every chart from Daily down to 5M was negative, but not oversold. Every indicator was shouting sell, and the overall sentiment and long term fundamentals are both negative - and the risk/reward for a sell trade was just right.

I set this for what is maybe my main oil setup on a daytrading basis: 50/50. i.e. 50 pips target and a 45 pips+5 pips spread stoploss. We got there and a “bonus” 1 pip positive slippage from my broker! :slight_smile:

There is probably more on the downside but with a total of just on 100 pips for this (US holiday) week and a 100% trade success, I am stopping trading here for the week on a high note.
This is how the 15m chart looked today so far:

Note:

Under the Daily Pivot
Under the (3-ducks) 60 SMA (as is also the 4H and 1H SMA’s)
Under the ichimoku cloud
Green band is also negative (as is also the 4H and 1H bands)
RSI is also negative.

high 5 trade:

As expected this got closed and reversed at the previous 5-day low at 44.51.
This gave only a 9 pip profit compared with a maximum open trade profit (based on closing prices) of +263 pips,

But this was the 6th consecutive high-5 win since I started monitoring this on 2.3. this year and it has gained a nominal cumulative profit of 1727 pips so far!

I would repeat here that I do not actually trade this method for the sole reason that it is a method intended for a portfolio of 5/6 different trending securities and I am only trading Oil. But I follow it and trade in the same direction whenever my own 4H/1H charts agree. I follow the 3-Ducks method in the same way.

But I would like to ask here - is this high 5 method of any interest to anyone out there? I have been updating the high-5 here and will continue to monitor it myself but I won’t bother posting the details here if no-one is actually following it because it is not my own method. and it has its own thread here on BP.

The new high-5 trade is now a short at 44.51 with a stop at 47.29 being the high from 4.7.

OK, well I could say that I would have caught all these oscillations and retired as a millionaire for the weekend! :smiley: :smiley:

But I am sure the truth is I would have given back maybe 100 to 150 pips with these oscillations!

I really don’t know what has been going on here tonight but it is clear that crude oil is in a real state of uncertainty - even the 5 min “scalper” chart couldn’t keep up with this evening!

Too much oil for price to go up but too near production cost breakevens for price to go down! “Where on earth do we go from here?”

It is times like this that one can (and should) we very happy to be a retail trader with no need to take a position at all if one doesn’t have to. Sometimes (maybe even often!) it is better to be sidelined and even sit on one’s hands! This evening is one of those times. We could open anywhere on Monday.

But I wish everyone a very peaceful and positive weekend and may whatever is important to you be fruitful…

https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/gisresources/spills/Images/oilTrain.png

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Actually, I will just add here the 4H chart.
It is very negative in all aspects…but look at those candle tails!!!

Someone is bottom picking here in a big way…maybe!!!

!

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Is this the High-5 method you are speaking of called, “Simple 5 ema low scalping strategy”

I am still getting acquainted with this site. I tried to attach the forum link, but the site does not allow new users to do so.

No, it is a long term trading method involving a selection of 5 or 6 different securities that have been identified as trending.

It was introduced here by Turbonero. Some people have been testing it but I haven’t seen any conclusive results coming back yet. The idea is that it always catches the big moves and these cover the relatively small losses that occur from time to time. But I do not trade a portfolio, only oil.

I have been tracking it with Crude Oil since early March and it has been pretty successful. So far 6 trades all lasting about 3-4 weeks and each made a profit. I am not intending trading it “as is” but I monitor it alongside my own method and whenever the two coincide in direction then I have greater confidence to sit with a position longer, but I don’t exclude trading against it when the signals and sentiment are good! :wink:

You will find it here: Starting out trading and dont know how to make Profits?

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend using it solely with one security or commodity as there is a risk from large stoplosses early into each trade and periods when that particular product can whipsaw on a wide range. I don’t know if Turbo visits the site anymore but if you have any queries about it then you can post them there are maybe someone will answer ( I have that thread bookmarked too)

Ok, thanks. I’ll look into it as well.

Interesting news item to keep an eye on from the Wall St Journal:

The key issue nowadays is the OPEC/NOPEC attempt to reduce the high level of oil inventories globally and restore a sound floor to the price levels (somewhere above $50 barrel). They are trying to do this by cutting their own production levels by around 1.8 mill bpd. (1.2mill from OPEC members and 600,000 from Russia and other non-OPEC nations)

Both Libya and Nigeria OPEC members have (until now) been excluded from this agreement because of their internal conflicts and disruptions. But now both these countries are starting to significantly increase their own production to such a level that it is damaging the OPEC’s own reductions.

As a result, OPEC is now apparently considering trying to put a limit on how much oil members Nigeria and Libya can pump. Libya’s crude oil output has increased now to over one mill bpd and Nigeria’s output has increased to 1.6 mill bpd. Combined, these increased levels are significantly countering and thereby neutralising a large slice from the OPEC reductions - on top of the increased production from the US…

If OPEC does succeed in capping these two countries then this will boost prices. If they don’t then it may well encourage other OPEC countries to break out from the agreement and increase their own production. OPEC agreements are always somewhat fragile. Bear in mind that even the prospect of OPEC countries breaking the agreement is enough to move the market downwards…

Something to keep a eye on next week, maybe…?

Commitment to studying one’s commodity can go to great lengths…:

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1446561/crude-oil-bath.jpg

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I have very mixed views where we might be going from here. I have gone short based on my 4H/1H setup, but I am not very optimistic about the outcome (edited to add - I just changed my mind and closed out with a small loss - but I’ll leave the rest of the post here alone! That’s how messy things are right now!)

Price is below the cloud in both charts, the band is negative and RSI below 50. It is also below the 60 SMA in both TFs (as well as on the 15/5M). So, in theory, this is a good bear setup and technically no reason not to sell…but:

I am concerned about all those tails in the recent 4H candles. This definitely points to some buying at those lower levels and suggests any sell off could be very short-lived.

I think what spooks me the most about the downside right now is that when we had a decrease in US oil rig counts of only 2 rigs, just two Fridays back we had a good rally. But last Friday reported an increase of no less than 12 rigs - and the market has just shrugged it off. Now, I have learnt a long time ago that when the market does not respond how one would expect it to respond to certain data then it means the bulk of the market is probably looking in the other direction…

There is also talk about US stocks showing a heavy draw this week when the data is released, which also raises optimism beforehand.

It does seem, at least in recent history, that oil prices have found a base around these lower levels with the exception of the real collapse at the time of the oil price wars. But we are not in any price war now and maybe we should exclude those exceptional, excessively low price level periods, because the oil industry couldnt function then at those levels and it led to large bankcruptcies and cancelled exploratory and development projects - and that is not the environment we are currently in nor is anyone looking to achieve such an environment.

However, on the other side of the coin, I recently mentioned the Saudi Arabia huge IPO in which around 5% of ARAMCO will be sold off to large oil companies and investment institutions. The CEO of ARAMCO has been talking of how we are facing a severe shortage of oil in the future because of current reduced exploration investment and lower discoveries of new sources - does this sound a little like “talking up the market” prior to the sale? The higher the oil price the bigger the income from the IPO - and we are talking of a huge amount of money.

But in the broader picture one has to wonder, why does Saudi Arabia want to sell off 5% of its oil resouces in one go now at these low prices? Why not leave it in the ground until better times? OK, it is justified by a wise decision to raise money to diversify the country away from oil dependence, but does this not also suggest that their real long-term view is that oil prices are not going to get much better?

Added to that, there is an interesting development that now Abu Dhabi has announced plans to also issue an IPO selling off some of their oil industry.

OPEC has its next meeting on 24.7. and there are prospects that attempts will be made to bring both Libya and Nigeria into the production cuts agreement by capping their currently increasing production levels. They have previously both been excluded due to civil unrest within their countries. This is also bullish expectancy.

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good post manxx.

the issue lately is that the oil market is purely dominated by speculators since late. the rules of supply and demand do not apply to the oil price at the moment. therefore trading must be adjusted accordingly. you can see the last 6 months up and down how they formed so beatifully without many interference of bulls vs bears or bears vs bulls. once the speculators decide where they want the price to go, it will go that direction abd news/fundamentals are completely ignored.

applying a defensive trend following strategy and completely ignoring fundamentals/rumors/news is the best way to make good profits in this situation.

Hi Turbo! Good to hear from you again. I agree it has been a very tradable market from a TA viewpoint ever since I switched over to oil at the end of February.

I don’t trade on fundamental factors but I do find the oil industry so fascinating especially because it is such a great combination of national, corporate, geopolitical and technological factors and events.

But a real pleasure to hear a familiar and friendly voice again. :slight_smile: