Christian Financial Advice

Trading Discussion
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The bible verses you are referring to are being taken completely out of context.
The “judge not lest ye be judged also” is saying to make sure that your are not living a sinful life before making others aware of their sin.
Looking through a glass darkly refers to our understanding of things which are supernatural.

My sister is nearly 30 years old.

I do not know what triggered her ailment as I am not a doctor.
I do know that it is caused by a break down of the immune system.

True salvation is the separation from religion (the law) and the acceptance
of the gift of God made available through Jesus Christ.

I don’t blame you for your misconceptions about Christianity…
If you gather together 10,000 people that call them selves Christians you might find 100 that are real.

From the mouth of my earthly father it has always been said:

All that you have in this life is your word and your integrity; if you lose either of these you have lost every thing.

My sister has lost every thing…

That said I am always looking, hoping, and ready to respond to change.

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What I mean to say, in my opinion, is that man’s laws fit man’s needs. Natures laws have no concern for man’s interests.

Further, money does not have a conscience. It knows not from where it came, nor does it have concern for where it goes. Man chooses his own borders whether they conform to the borders of the laws he must live under or not.

Each man to his own illusion, so to speak. Murder is a crime but killing in self defense is not, yet the end result is the same for the dead. So, in that respect, any action can be perceived as good, bad, or indifferent depending on perspective.

History makes heroes of villains and villains of the poor and the meek, depending on the perspective of the writer.

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That is the funniest thing that has come out of your mouth to date :wink:

It seems as though what is “wrong” is voted in by mass opinion hence the definition of deviance.

Deviance: of or accepting that which deviates from the majority of society.

And this then leads us to wonder how you can throw a man in prison simply because his conduct is impopular if you your self do not subscribe to morality.

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How do you know if I took anything out of context? Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I’m saying or atleast the intent. I grew up being bounced between to houses and 2 different ideas of Christianity, one of those being Catholicism.

My idea of a creator, “God”, does not include any man that has ever walked on this planet, though, as many “religions” do, I do value your “Saviour” as a great prophet and teacher of a different perception. To give any man the potential to stand between one and one’s “God” seems foolish to me. To pray to my “God” in another man’s name seems foolish to me. The only distance between me and my “God” is the distance of my own conscience because my conscience is a direct link between “God” and self. Atleast that’s what I choose to believe.

The point I was trying to make in reference to your sister is that, though I am sure you have already washed your hands and have no true concern for your sister, therefore there is no love between you, you do have the ability to change your perspective and hers, thereby changing both perceptions of the reality, which, according to you, is that she is beyond help or hope.

Every breath is but another opportunity strive for perfection. How many are the breaths we have, all of us, wasted and who are we to deny “God’s” ability to use us, any one of us, as vessels to do “God’s” bidding.

I stand by my earlier words…and, for the sake of my own perception, wish you well.

Peace be with you and… hmm yeah… good luck with that.

Chubs.

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Because I read the Bible and know the surrounding verses that that scripture was pulled from.
Pulling some thing out of context is like you saying “I love you man” and then having me use that as proof that you are a homosexual even though that is not within the context of what you were saying.

Now let us get back to the situation at hand.

She “borrowed” without the intention of ever repaying a dime.
In my book, borrowing without the intention of repayment is stealing.

If you steal from me and later down the road you find that you cannot pay your bills then you have a problem.

That does not mean that I do not love her or look upon her in anger or defame her when in the presence of friends.
It just means that her lack of integrity is bringing forth the harvest of ruin.

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Knowing that I am not perfect, I strive for perfection in all that I do. If that is a character flaw, then I will wear my flaw for all to see. Knowing what I know of the Christian bible, having been altered who knows how many times from its original compilation, I tend to look for more reliable sources of information.

And, though I do not know the exact context of this quote from the Christian bible, “Neither a borrower NOR A LENDER be”, if my perception is correct, perhaps you are as much to blame as she is for any transaction that took place between you.

I do enjoy discussing differences of opinion with you on this subject matter, not so much the portions where your family is involved, but the overall mindset you seem to throw at people.

Tell me, what happens to the human soul between the time the body dies and the Day of Judgement? In the culture I grew up in, at the time of the loss of a family member, children are told that said family member " is in Heaven with Jesus now". I have an educated answer of my own, based on research, that proves this to be a lie that most Christians believe to be truth. Further, my answer comes from the Tora or old testament, the new testament, the Quran, and a few other sources.

Please, enlighten me with your take on this subject.

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Well… If that’s your point, I must agree.
But if you exaggerated that she stole from you etc etc etc, I think you must humble yourself that we often do the same to our Lord.

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Unless you are a literalist, which represents it’s own set of problems, there is no way to say that there is only one interpretation to be drawn.

Over the ages the meaning of words tends to change as more and more people draw theories that are farther away from the time they were written or spoken.

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All one need do is actually read the Bible. Interpretation is where context comes in: who was he talking to? what were the circumstances surrounding the message (the text surrounding the verse not just the verse)? what was the message in response to?

Matthew 7:1-3

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

[We can only judge according to the word of God so of course we will be measured (by the same word) according to how we measure others.
Now what is Jesus saying? Let him finish talking!]

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye [B]and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?[/B] 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ [B]when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?[/B] 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, [B]and then you will see clearly to remove/B the speck from your brother’s eye.

Still think the Bible is saying Judge not?

“Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?” (1 Cor 6:3)

“Do ye not know that the saints (believers) shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?” (1 Cor 6:2)

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.” (1 Cor 2:15)

Jesus commended Simon, “Thou hast rightly judged.” (Luke 7:43)

(Jesus speaking) “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24)

So the Bible is saying Judge your self to see if you are guilty of the same sin and if so remove it from your life. Only then can you Judge according to the word of God that they might see clearly also.

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lol Chubs, that is Shakespeare:

Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.

The Bible says:

"If you lend money to My people, to the poor among you, you are not to act as a creditor to him; you shall not charge him interest. Exodus 22:25

I did not charge my sister interest…

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This depends somewhat on whether the message is being delivered to a person, for their actions, or as a general sermon.

In a person to person discussion the recipient of the message is worse than the individual with the “speck in his eye” and is being told to shut up until his own house is in order with respect to the issue in question. In particular, in a person-to-person conversation the first line represents a warning.

Care to fill us in on the historical context of this passage?

In any case, we might take this situation and apply it to everyone. Then we get the suggestion that the pious should go around annoying everyone and telling them about how they should behave.

Even more generally. Don’t waste your time judging others, but instead work on your own issues. Assuming that none of us is perfect this is a task that will never end…

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I know it is hard to believe when practical atheists fill the churches and speak from the pulpit.

You will not understand unless you read the Bible.
Christianity is about a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
If you study the character of God then you will know what God is saying.

Those who do not wish to know God can not understand him.

Judgment by believers who are fit to judge according to God’s word is the condemnation of the action which is out side of the word of God.

It does not condemn the murderer it condemns murder.
It does not condemn the thief it condemns stealing.

That is why after death there is the “final judgment” because you have
heard the word of the Lord through the mouths of many and ignored their judgments (which are the Lord’s judgments).

However should you choose to believe and heed their judgments:

�Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus� (Romans 8:1).

God will not judge you because he is content to look on Christ and pardon you.

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MO,

I don’t intend to disagree with you so much as to point out how easy it is for multiple interpretations to co-exist.

For example, with respect to the very commonly held belief in a relationship, a simple reading of the bible can yield an alternative view.

If the road to salvation is “through Jesus”, then it is very possible that this is not as deep a meaning as is commonly thought. If a man were talking to me and saying that the way to Forex success was “through him” then I would assume that I’d have to follow his teachings.

Jesus taught us to be good to one another, to look after our fellow man, and various things of this type. Can you claim with certainty that living “through these” tenants is not what was meant?

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Hmm… is not ousting a sibling from your future over a mere $800 some form of intrest in your eyes. Oh, sorry… there seems to be a $20 2x4 sticking out of my face…

Oh yee “holier than thou” sinners, be mindful that the meek shall inherit the earth. Would it not be better for you, oh not so mighty one, to forgive your sister her trespasses and move forward to the new coming year without this on either plate, yours, or your sister’s?

Is not blood thicker than water? I’m done… and, for future context, please do not preach to me about your God or your beliefs as mine seem to be doing just fine for me, thanks.

Good deed of the day… at 4:45 p.m. eastern, I called and ordered a pizza for pick-up. At 4:52, upon pulling into the lot to pick up my pie, I notice a woman in the senior of her years sitting at the pick up window with a passenger front flat. Knowing that, by the time I am done changing her tire my pie will be cold, I point the fact out to the window attendant and, after the woman pulls over and I change the tire, all the while refusing to take payment for my deed, I give her my mother’s name and address. I explain to her that I would hope if my mother were in this situation, someone would be kind enough to do the same for her. She explains that she will definitely drop my mother a note about my deed and, to me, for my mother to hear kind words about her son from a complete stranger,… no amount of money can do what that note will.

Keep thumping that bible of yours and live your life of folly. Wealth is not measured by money in my life, and I hope it never is.

All my best, happy new year to you all, and, as always, good luck and good pippin.

Chubs

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from my experiences, and they have been VAST, i find it a bit humorous that the “borne again” and “fundamentalist” christians were hatched and spread from the appalachian poverty belt populated by the “welsh - irish”, a group whose main claim to fame is they fought to keep the unions out of their working in the mines ---- unfortunately, because there were no unions with safety regulations, MOST if not all of those dumbbutted welsh are gone, replaced by their sons, who dothe same stupid thing !

now these people are famous for going to church on sunday and then getting drunk and into fights by 10pm on sunday nite – the MORE civilized of these proper people might actually wait till the next day to get drunk and rowdy !

while traveling around the world in my work, i did notice a strange situation — they SURE can talk the talk, as is being done now and right before us, but they DONT STAND A CHANCE at walking the walk !

actually in my christian watchings, the methodists and presbyterians are right up there in walking the walk, and thank the good lord, they DONT talk the talk !

where G-D stated to many to “go forth and multiply”, i DONT remember any words about “go forth and bore them to death !”

I guess “honor thy neighbor” doesnt include talking their ears off or simply endulging in conversations not wanted !

but so they go – down the road and around the bend, and all the way telling EVERYONE that YOU are wrong and THEY are RIGHT !

funny world we live in, but even BUSH didnt depend on them as conservatives – essentially ignoring their foolishness !

enjoy

mp

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For putting me where I was needed this day, and every day of my life, whether for my needs or the need of others, whether yesterday, today or tomorrow.

For the person I am, a true human being willing to live a selfless life in the hope of a more humane world, and for all the people, moments, days,…, including and especially today. For today I am truely alive in you.

My name is Michael, My mother’s name is Rose Mary. I believe in the power of prayer as I pray to you for any to see.

For the current desire to see tomorrow, whether it is for me, everyone, or no one at all. I pray that, for one day on earth that no man shall die in that day a death that is not the end of a full and joyful life, in freedom of mind and choice, for I believe that was your original intent of man.

Finally for now, Thankyou God for the ability to share this prayer with any who would only believe on you and hide never more in shame from your eyes a life that was hopeful of the Legend of the One, for these are not seeing eyes.

I pray this prayer, body, mind and soul.

Do with it what YOU will.

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Sorry, I must have been typing when you were and hadn’t finished…

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“Ousting”

Lol, chubs your text is more funny than watching the 3 stooges :wink:

It doesn’t matter if I loaned her $0.25 I want my $0.25 back because it was not a gift.
Even the Godless should be able to agree that it doesn’t matter if the loan was large or small it is your money and you should get it back.

Today I am taking my mother and sister to go see The Tale of Despereaux.
I will buy them both popcorn, drinks, and candy if they so desire it.

I take my sister places and never ask for the money that is owed.
She knows that it was not a gift just as she knows the several thousand dollar loan she got from my father was not a gift.

If you don’t have the decency to acknowledge that you are owe some one money and attempt to pay it back then you are a thief.

If you fall upon hard time and you are a person of integrity then many are they that will help you.

To help a person who lacks integrity invites usury to your door step.

Yes Rookie a simple/cursory reading of the Bible can leave multiple choices, but a more detailed study will bring clarity.

Book of Ephesians 2: If Jesus was but a teacher:

5.even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ

(Ok, so Jesus was a good teacher that taught us to live by a moral code that was acceptable to God? Following this moral code makes us “alive” in Christ?)

8.[B]For by grace you have been[/B] saved([B]made “alive”[/B]) [B]through [/B]faith(In [B]Jesus[/B]), and that not of yourselves(even your faith is a gift); it is [B]the gift of God[/B],
9 not of works(there is nothing you can do to earn salvation), lest anyone should boast.

(If we are saved through the gift of faith and not by works then Jesus was not simply teaching morality, but salvation through him as if he had the power/authority to forgive sins.)

Who is Jesus that he can forgive sins?

Even Peter in Acts 8:22 said,“Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord.” (you don’t see Peter forgiving sin…try not to use this against the Catholics…lol)

Mark 2:5-7

5When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, [B]your sins are forgiven[/B].”

6Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7"Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! [B]Who can forgive sins but God alone?[/B]"

Jesus responded by saying:

9Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’?

Whoh! ask your religious teachers that question…
do they have the authority to speak and make either of the 2 come true?

Jesus was saying that he had the authority AS GOD incarnate to forgive sin.
He was saying,“I can easily forgive sin because I am God.”

And they knew that was what he was saying because they then plotted to have Jesus killed.

Whether Jesus spoke a man’s sins forgiven or healed him of paralysis, either act would require the power and authority of God. Hence, if Jesus claimed He could forgive sins and then raised the man, this ought to prove to any honest mind that His claim to forgive sins was also valid.

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To stay on topic:

You know that I am a Christian so if you have any financial question then feel free to ask away :smiley:

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I am a man living my life in my time by the rules and laws of my place. I boasted not of a deed, not for my “self”, but for the reward to my mother of her son so that she would see the man she raised through another’s eyes. That was the context of the deed that I spoke.

Do not judge me by your scale as I do not judge you, only make my own opinions and observations.

Peace unto you and yours in the coming times, should they come… I have nothing more to say on the subject and would prefer to end our discussion, lest you feel a need for the last word and I will happily give you that, in peace.