Don't Make Trading Harder than it is

Lesson Learned From Last Post

So from the last Post on line trading stops what did we learn ? The most important lesson is a PROPER ENTRY PROCEEDS SETTING A PROPER STOP.

In other words if you get the entry right your stop is just a function to prevent loses from unexpected events. As we saw on all the trades on the attached EUR/JPY 15 min if we had been PATIENT and waited for the trade to develop instead of chasing it and jumping in to early. A stop lose would never had come into play on those 5 trades neting us over 180 pips..

There is no reason to chase trades and you will trade calmer and stress free once you learn to wait for your trades, No matter what strategy you decide to employ the only variable in your plan is YOU and once you realize this you will start to succeed at this endeavour. Be calm wait for the correct moves then enter, it will take some will power and you might not do it everytime but when you fail to enter correctlly.

Take the time to go over your charts and findout where YOU went wrong. Most times it WILL be a error on your part that caused the loses. You have to come to grips with that as quicklly as possible to be able to move forward with Forex. The person who makes no mistakes.. Normally doesn't last.. the charts are never wrong, They are what they are.. it is your ablitity to read them that is your winning edge..

So the final thought on the prevoius post is …

A CORRECT ENTRY IS BETTER THAN ANY STOP LOSE COULD EVER BE

Good Trading To All Ken Lee :eek:

ps, anyone notice the other 5 possible trades on that chart . :eek:


Stops for other Trading Strategies

In the next section we will discus other stop areas, That swing traders and Fib traders have to deal with. As we saw with the Line trading stop there was really only ONE AREA to consider when placing your entry making your stop a easy choice and in most cases not even a necessity after gaining experience trading . A perfect entry makes your stop a safety net of sorts only, Which I advocate Because unexpected things do happen, and it is always better to be safe than lose to much.

I have to wait for my platform maintenance to be done before we can continue…

  Good Trading To All             Ken Lee     :)

looking forward to the next instalment kenneth -thanks for all your help. I do swing trade daily but find it hard at times. The really good trades just jump out, buy low, sell high. Trend wise, buy dips, sell rallies, etc, and momentum is necessary- Most of my difficulties arise in the grey areas, eg, in downtrend, but a lot of move has already occurred, so I get caught in jumble of the retracement, where you are 30-40 pips positive only for it to turn, but if you go the other way, you end up in same situation. particularly in current market conditions, when I just end up cutting good trades too early in case it turns. I reckon in currrent market conditions trading as little as possible is key, irrespective of what price does afterwards. Of late if I trade (or attempt to) the European and New york markets, typically I will end up giving most of what I’ve made in early europe back, and spend New york clawing it back. I think/hope it is current market conditions. I seem to recall when I first started out in the latter part of 2007 - February 2008 was awful then too. Then again, I’m likely well wrong, at times I think I’ll never get the hang of market rythmn. other times what I do works great. Greed and fear I suspect. When you are doing well, you want more, then market gives you a slap, and voila - few failed set ups it’s back to fear!!
Thanks again. Hope this thread doesn’t die as I think you are doing a great job.

happy days, lemme jump in here a sec

you mention market rythmn and by golly there is one, measurable and VERY usefull.

try this — follow the direction of the european market thru the NY open (which may wiggle the direction a bit, but usually maintains the existing trend) and then notice at 9:30, est, when the NYSE opens, the price will reverse — at that point, it may actually reverse (under normal conditions) until 12 noon, est, at which time the shorts in London head out for a few pints and the americans now REVERSE their market !

watch your clock periods and see if you catch it !

enjoy and trade well

mp

thanks for ur reply and help MP - I’ll watch and see if I can see what you’re saying…its just so choppy just now with each day different from preceding day, for instance, major trend is down but minor trend prevails dependant on what the risk aversion scenario is on that day. Am I kinda correct with that or not? Are current conditions atypical?
When I started out, courtesy of the ‘get rich quick’ course I purchased and subsequently ditched then tried to teach myself - courtesy of free internet info and folks like yourself helping - by the time I’d done demo for yonks the uptrend had gone kaput/credit crisis began. It was fab at beginning sell, sell, sell, but last few weeks, its been great one day, followed by consolidation/ranging.
Thanks again

so I get caught in jumble of the retracement, where you are 30-40 pips positive only for it to turn,

In the type of confused areas you are talking , Don’t give it all back a good rule of thumb is to never give back more than 20% of your gains , if it turns back take your profits and run… I am not sure what time frame charts you are trading , looks like maybe dailly charts…, Maybe if you could post up a chart I could MAYBE help… with some ideas… , I would for starters look for turning areas Such as S/R areas … To take profit… as this are the big boys tools… They add on and exit at those areas… Fib levels also come into play more so in a slow market, When the big boys might be gone. Any way good luck… And yes I hope to keep going had charting issues over the weekend… and May not post as much, I have my trading ot consider…

Good Trading to You… Ken Lee :slight_smile:

MP, as we all know now, the secret of sucess on forex is to stick to your strategy, [U]no mater what[/U]. Even if often, it’s hard “because of the price movement”.

You seems to get it. You seems to have a good system. The way I see it, the more people are using the very same system, the more accurate that system become.

I know the system have to fit with ours personality. It’s not everyone who’s able to see a red -230 when trading. BUT, today, I’ll would very, VERY appreciate if you could share the mecanic of the system you use yourself to be sucessful at forex.

So, what chart and indicator do you use, and how do you use it to, at the end, MAKE money instead of LOSING money. Because, we are all already very good to lose money… Now it could be the time to try to make some.

Thank you very much MP! For everyone!

KENNETH LEE, I noticed that the price movement could often go in a irrationnal way for about 30 pips after indicators and even price movement on the chart “say” it’s time to open a position (on 5 mins chart).

I was wondering what kind of stop lost do you use yourself? I know you mostly use 15 mins chart.

Also, how long do you wait before trading when there that kind of new?
FOMC Member Lockhart Speaks

It’s not a number, it’s just someone speaking, and there’s no way to know what he is saying. So, what could appear a good position to open at could not be that good because of this guy…

So, how long do you wait for this “new” not affect to much your trading?

Thank you very much!

Hey Ken, I just have a question to you or anyone else that can help me out here for a second.

When placing trend lines you go from a higher high to a lower high for a downtrend or vice versa for a up trend. Now I understand that there are the wick traders and the body traders.

My question is once you plot a trend line say on the 15m chart, how far do you go back to plot that line and how long do you go by it before you go ahead and plot another trend line?

I am getting suck on that for some reason… almost over analyzing it but I cant help but think that ‘it cant be that easy’ to figure out. :confused:

I am really enjoying your post and I have learned a lot, having it laid out as you do(minus the somewhat confusing grammar at some points) makes it fun to learn.

Concept. All you need to draw a line is 2 points to connect. As the price progresses, You connect more points the more the merrier, The line is good until broken then ;look for another one.

The attached chart is todays 15 min EUR/JPY The one line I would draw your attention too is the almost Horiziontal line in the middle at around the 123.00 line… Don’t disgard a line just because it gets broken… it can come back into play as that one did numerous times later.

Hopes this helps… Ken Lee :smiley:


Yeah it does actually. I don’t think that any of them are wrong just by looking at it. I understand that one person to the next will have a differing opinion over them as well though. I just never thought that it would… be that simple as just drawing lines… literally.

Concept; Yes that is why it was at the first of the thread it is the fastest and easyest. Trading to start with, not a lot of price action reguired, just watch for price to bounce around off lines. and if it breaks you can take those trades too. Just keep it up…

Then move up the food chain to Support and Resistance lines which are horiziontal lines where price turns, stalls and bounces. But trade the same as trendlines… They are the areas that the pros use to adjust there positions, Adding on or taking away…

Anyway just figure one thing out at a time… then add to it… But always remember it is easy, you just might not know what your looking at yet…As you learn more it gets clearer.

  There wasn't any bad lines by they way that was the point..

Good Trading To you   Ken Lee        :)

About those famous and so important resistance and support level, it would be great of you could teach us by showing us some of them.

I mean, you pick up some day, month or even a years… and, for this particular day/month/years you tell us the S/R level, with, of course, the good time frame you use to determine them.

This alone, could seriously help alot of us!

First I am sorry if I have missed led you, This is a learning thread to teach you to do for yourself. I am as you all are, always developing my trading and learning new things and I am just showing how I have come to see and use these basic skills. I do not mind helping along the way.

Anyway S/R line were covered in posts 92 and 94…Reread those and if you have need more explianation , please ask…

Good Trading To All   Ken Lee

Ken, still learning lots from your thread, can i just ask what pairs you are trading and approximately how many trades per day do they provide you?

I seem to be getting lots of bounces and breakouts but still struggling with when to enter a trade. Sometimes i watch my trend line brake, retest and then i trade only for it to reverse on me within a few pips. Then sometimes i am watching a bounce happen so i enter the trade only for it to reverse again and break the trend line on the second attempt. Maybe i need to change the timeframe i draw my trend lines on? Or stay away from certain currency pairs?
Please Help
:confused:

I trade the GBP/USD, EUR/JPY mainlly. The currencies have been rough latelly. You might try having different time frame charts for the same currencies and watch the levels on them. This will help you to see where you might have a failure , as sometimes a trade looks good on a smaller time frame but might be at a turning point on a higher time frame … This is why it helps to try and use more than 1 tool to trade as they all can tell you something. Price might be turning on a fib level or a s/r line. Just don’t give up you will start to see where the trades are in time. It is like everything else in life you can’t expect to be a expert overnight, but if you don’t give up you will become one. This is where demos are great you don’t have to risk $$ to learn.

As far as my own trading goes I am also in the learning process. I used to take 20 to 30 trades a day. I am learning a new style to stay in longer trades for more gains. Forex is a continuing learning thing. Learn one type trading , Then expand your trading starategies to be able to trade during all types of price action that comes along.

Plus this is 1st week of the month and is biggest news week. You need to be aware of news times as all the rules don’t applly at releases…sit on the side lines and wait for the market to calm back down…

 Hope This Helps  Ken     :)

Thanks Ken wise words.:wink:

Agreed! very wise words

Sorry for not being as active as I should be, My trading like most peoples is a work in progress , You never stop learning… I had come across a thread on another site that compliments my trading style but with more of a structured strategy which I was lacking in my own. I will endeavour to complete the section on stops tomorrow.

  I am going to post a chart and some text from some of the trades from what I have been studying . This maybe over somes head but others might like it..

  I don't use Indicators to take trades, I have said this many times in my thread. But after watching this other thread the ma's they use are a good compliments the price action trading I prefer. They actually trade price action candle patterns and the such and use the ma's as floating Support and Resistance areas. This gives you a place for entries and exits..

 I did not go this route easilly and have just watched for about 2 weeks while also looking at previous price action to verify it as a viable addition to my strategy.

What I will post is mainlly the 15 min price action where trades are taken, But you have to understand that you also look at the 1 hr the 4 hr and the dailly. Just as we have discussed earlier you should always look at higher time frames for turning areas.

Some of Fridays Trades ??

In a effort to help myself to see the trades better I have worked up a chart of some of fridays trades, Some are what I saw as possible and others are actual trades taken by EO, Infinity and others . All and any input is invited and welcome…

The first yellow arrow is pointing to the red candle which became the high of the day… 1.4040 was tested 2 candles back the prior green candle broke the area and the red turned it back down , This became our first controling candle as it is the high…

Circle A

We have a FLAT top green candle the next red pulls up a bit more but turns into a strong bearish candle with long red body, The next red candle opens retest the open of the previous candle and turns back enter short here, Close the trade on the next green pin at the 10 ema. Option B close portion and set rest to +3 , I think in scalping taking all is my favorite. Unless it looks like longer possible But as the price had been above the Ema’s for a while profit taking would worked out.

Circle B

Price comes back off the 10 ema and a green pin. Could have longed here at the open of the next green candle but price was looking a bit short (lower high and top of the day ). Next candle opens goes up but fails to go higher than previous candle short there when it turns back and crosses opening price. again could close at 10 ema , But as it pushes threw and close right on ema a partial close and stop move would look better. But close on the 21 sma as it is the first time hit in a while.

A possible bounce off the 21 ema would have worked out also , but still looking for shorts …

(This may not have been a proper trade as it is also like circle D. Not closing below the ma’s…)

Second Yellow Arrow

This Becomes our next controling pin after it fails at the 1.4040 area and
forma a god bearish pin… Short on the next red candle after it fails to pull back up short after it croses the opening price. Close at the touch of the 35/50 ma’s.

Circle C

Go long on touch of 35/50 ma’s But as EO said enter with a smaller position as the next candle good close lower and a better entry below
the ma’s could have been had… Could close at the 21 ema or adjust your position and stop. But a new entry could be had when the second green candle came back to the open of the first green candle. The next red spinning top was concerning. right on the ma’s but a s it was the second run up to them, might give it some room to breath. It did break up and would close at the 1.4040 top.

Circle D

The 2 candles are a tweezer pattern but as Infinity stated he didn’t enter on the next candle as the red tweezer had closed above the 10 ema . Which could have signaled the begining of a direction change. After the 4th candle closed below the 10/21/35 ma’s and they foremd the 1 hr pin . Then the next candle opened and retested the 10/21 ma’s could have shorted on the next red candle after it retested and passed it’s opening price. Closing on the test of the trendline at 1.3940 area,

Circle E

A long entry on the green candle after the price opens fails to make a new low and crosses back above the trendline. Adjust stop and position at ma’s as it is against the trend of the moment.

Circle F

Another set of tweezers is formed but this time the close is below the 10/21 ma’s . Infinity enetered on the retest of the opening price of the previous red candle. Take profit at the failure of the break of the trendline.

Circle G

EO took this long off the trend line. The green candle failed to make a lower low and could enter at the opeing price or the cross of the trendline back up. As the time of day and friday take profit at the second failure to break the 21 ema. Are to close above the 10/35 ma’s

Circle H

If you had closed the previus trade. You could go long here when the price came down and failed to get lower than the previous entry candle , ( you can always renter at your old entry price) This candle closed above the 10/50 ma’s so could hold it for a higher close . Close at the 35 sma and the 00 number area. Might have been a short off the touch of the 35 and 00 area if you were quick.


Hi Ken
Great thread-I’ve picked up alot. I’ve noticed that you have used the expression “Pin” on a couple of occasions including your previous post. What exactly is a “Pin”.

Also; Am I correct in assuming that when another Fibonacci set up presents itself, you delete the previous one. Or do the lines continue to be relevant.

Finally; I am anxious to back test what I have learned from you, but it is Friday night and with my FXCM demo, the charts are no longer available until the markets open on Sunday. Does anyone know of an interactive charting provider that allows the use of charts on the weekend.