dukascopy is not going to accept US clients, from what I was told. If you have any information to the contrary please let me know.
Not sure if they are continuing to accept us clients, as I didn’t ask.
I am already a client and they told me my account would cont. uninterrupted.
Thanks for the info. I approached them a few days ago, and they said the wouldnt accept us clients. Maybe I was speaking to someone uninformed over there. I am going to call them again.
It seems as though most of the AUS firms will continue to accept us clients, vantage, gomarkets, forex fs. Plus the two from panama forex-metal, and eforex.
Do we know of any other quality international firms that will be accepting US clients.
Additionally, while I understand the issue with us based companies with international affiliates having to comply with the CFTC. What is the primary issue for non CFTC regulated firms refusing to accept us clients? If the CFTC has no jurisdiction, what could they possibly do? Thanks.
Does anyone know anything about liteforex I could not find any US locations listed on the website. I am interested in liteforex because of the small trade size allowed.
Clint I totally agree with your sentiment and frustration with our government making regulations under the pretense of protecting ourselves from ourselves. Its BS!!
In reality a 50:1 leverage cap should not affect a trader that uses any sort of risk management and has a few bucks in the account. 50:1 leverage does limit how you can trade a micro account if your balance is micro $500 or less if the minimum trade size is $1000.
The new regs as they are now will probably not affect my trading much. Its that dam slippery slope that has lower margin limits, higher minimum balances, limits on trade frequency, fees on transactions(trades), and the big one even higher taxes at the bottom of the slope that has me worried and considering finding a way to move offshore. I know it won’t matter where my broker is the tax man will send the bill to me living in the USA:rolleyes:
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Epic post Clint! Agree 100%! Im a US resident and im moving out by FOREX account, due to NFA being a puppet! :mad::mad::mad:
Edit: I would also like to ask:
As a US citizen, is my capital covered by EU, FSA, FINMA regulations if the broker I choose is regulated with one of these institutions?
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I’ve spent some time this weekend on the [B]Forex Broker Guide[/B] site, sifting through their listing of forex brokers —
Forex Broker Guide | Rate, Review & Compare Online Forex Brokers | Forex | Forex Brokers.
I was using this particular site mainly because it has a longer list of brokers (over 300) than any other site that I am aware of. At the end of this post, I’ll explain a little about how this site gathers data, and how their [I]Advanced Search[/I] feature works (or doesn’t work).
I used this site to compile lists of “trusted” offshore forex brokers, sorted by country. For this post, I’m listing only brokers domiciled in Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand. More on what “trusted” means, or doesn’t mean, at the end of this post.
These lists have to be taken as raw data, at this point. The brokers listed here may or may not meet your particular criteria for a forex broker. For example, these lists have not been filtered for any of the following criteria: (1) are U.S. clients accepted?, (2) minimum deposit to open an account, (3) payment methods allowed, (4) platform type, (5) available leverage, (6) pip spreads, etc. In other words, there’s a lot of due diligence yet to be done.
U.K. Brokers
CMS Forex — Forex - Forex Trading - FX - FX Trading - CMS Forex UK
Activ Trades — Activtrades - Forex, CFD, Futures. New MT4.Low or Zero Commission
Alpari UK — Forex trading (FX) with Alpari UK - Online currency trading
Finotec — Forex, Forex Trading, Online Forex Trading Platform - Finotec UK Trading
HY Markets — HY Markets Home
MF Global — Stock Trading, Shares & Currency Market Trading System | MF Global
One Financial — One Financial Markets | Trading Broker –Regulated by FSA | London, UK
ODL Markets — Forex Trading, Broker & Software provider for FX, Spead betting, CFDs- ODL Markets (Powered by FXCM)
Swiss Brokers
ACM — Online Forex Trading | Currency Trading | ACM
C.I.M. Banque — CIM Swiss Forex Bank - Private Banking Geneva, forex broker
Dukascopy — Dukascopy Bank SA | Swiss Forex Bank | ECN Broker | Managed accounts | Swiss FX trading platform
MIG Bank — Home - MIG BANK
Tadawul FX — Online forex trading with leading online forex broker Tadawul FX
German Brokers
Finexo Global Investments — Online Forex & CFD Trading|Trade Currencies, Gold, Oil and Major Indices
Forex Web Trader — Online Forex & CFD Trading|Trade Currencies, Gold, Oil and Major Indices
dbFX — Forex Trading | Online Currency Trading Rates | FX Research | dbFX
Varengold — Successful Forex Trading with Varengold Bank FX
Australian Brokers
Axi Trader — Forex Trading | Forex Broker | Forex Brokers | Forex Trading Platform
GO Markets — Online Forex Trading | MetaTrader 4 Brokers - GO Markets
IG Markets - Australia — CFD Trading Account | CFD Account
Latitude FX — Trade foreign exchange online - Live currency trading
New Zealand Brokers
Latitude FX — Trade foreign exchange online - Live currency trading
Danish Broker
Saxo Bank — Forex Trading Online | Trade FX, CFDs, FX Options at Saxo Bank
The [I]Forex Broker Guide[/I] site is owned and operated by a New Zealand company, and it seems to work this way: the website lists every forex broker they have ever heard of, and then those brokers are invited to furnish and maintain the information which is displayed in their own listings. In most cases, the brokers have furnished enough information that you can decide whether you want to take a closer look at them.
However, some brokers (for whatever reason) apparently do not furnish information about themselves, and this results in a number of bare-bones listings which don’t tell you much. In most of these cases, it’s not possible to tell from the listings even where those brokers are domiciled, or how they are regulated.
This site has an elaborate filter/search mechanism, called [I]Advanced Search[/I], which turns out to be a big disappointment. It supposedly allows you to search for brokers based on almost any criteria you can think of: country, language, regulation, type of platform, pip spreads, etc. However, the search feature seems to search only the minimal data which has been displayed by the brokers themselves in their respective listings, and this leads to search results that can be bizarre.
For example, I filtered the entire list of over 300 brokers with just two criteria: (1) brokers in the United States, and (2) brokers who accept U.S. clients. Obviously, every broker in the U.S. accepts U.S. clients, but that’s not what the [I]Advanced Search[/I] feature told me. The search feature returned exactly 6 results, and you’ve probably never heard of 4 of them. When I removed the “U.S. client” search criterion, and just asked for U.S. brokers, the search feature returned 51 broker names.
Obviously, the [I]Advanced Search[/I] feature is a work-in-progress. It does seem to work accurately when you search by country, and/or when you search for “trusted” brokers. So, those are the search criteria I used to compile the lists shown above.
Which brings us to the question: What is a “trusted” broker? I can’t answer that question, and the website does not reveal how they made the determination to award some brokers the “trusted” badge, and not others. I applied the “trusted” filter purely as a matter of expediency, to cut the lists down — not because I can vouch for the trustworthiness of any broker.
If you filter the entire list of 300+ brokers, to include just the 6 countries I have listed above, you will end up with 6 lists totaling 66 brokers altogether. That’s a formidable list of brokers to phone and chat with. Applying the “trusted” filter reduces 66 brokers down to the 24 brokers listed above.
Is it just me, or do the Swiss have “girl’s banks” and “boy’s banks”?
C.I.M. Banque sure looks like a girl’s bank to me.
And MIG Bank is obviously a boy’s bank — they’ve got the Michael Schumacher Formula One race-car thing going on. Too cool.
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Fxopen for me all the way.
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Is it just me, or do the Swiss have “girl’s banks” and “boy’s banks”?
C.I.M. Banque sure looks like a girl’s bank to me.
And MIG Bank is obviously a boy’s bank — they’ve got the Michael Schumacher Formula One race-car thing going on. Too cool
Clint I just had a look at those banks you are not mistaken in your observation.
to funny
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Varengold, does not, or is not currently accepting US clients
Thank you for the list Clint. I am going to talk to as many as I can today, and get answers regarding US clients for anyone that is interested.
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ODL Markets, since powered by FXCM, absolutely no help.
CIM, they say only under certain circumstances, but it seems like a no, unless you have a couple million to trade. Also if you are a professional trader, they feel there is MORE risk, than if you are a novice, great bank.
Finexo does not accept us clients. They say they do not have a us client license?
Forex Web Trader is not accepting US clients, they say they are EU licensed only
Clint can you contact some of the others so we can get a nice list. I havent been able to reach saxo bank. They would be a nice option.
WSD appears to accept US clients. The operation doesnt seem that great.
Saxo Bank is a yes, but they do not have MT4, also they have a number of different divisions based on regions, panama, uk etc.
IG is also a yes
Tadawulfx will accept US clients as well, seems like a good option so far. MT4 stp.
Sorry if this is off topic but I read an article, or rather, sifted through it and felt it might be of interest here.
It’s a copy/paste from futuresmag.com October 2010 issue:
The impact on introducing brokers and retail traders
By Karen K. Wuertz
Faced with the daunting task of reading and analyzing the 2,315 pages of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 (Dodd-Frank), an individual may not notice some of the less-publicized aspects of the legislation, especially pertaining to introducing brokers (IBs) and retail over-the-counter (OTC) forex traders. However, that doesn’t diminish the impact certain provisions of the Dodd-Frank Act will have on these groups.
For example, Section 732 of the Dodd-Frank Act requires futures commission merchants (FCMs) and IBs to implement conflicts-of-interest systems and procedures to ensure that any person within the firm relating to “research or analyses of the price or market” are separated by appropriate informational partitions within the firm from the review, pressure, or oversight of persons whose involvement in trading or clearing activities might potentially bias the judgment or supervision of the persons.
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The CFTC has not yet written any rules with respect to Section 732, and, because of the broad nature of the Act’s language, the challenge to the CFTC will be to develop a rule that satisfies the Act’s requirements while not imposing unworkable standards. These new systems and procedures could be particularly burdensome to smaller IBs with limited resources.
The Dodd-Frank Act also contains several provisions that become effective in mid-2011, which close certain regulatory gaps in the retail forex area. First, with regard to Zelener contract forex products or “rolling spot,” the May 2008 Farm Bill ensured that the CFTC has antifraud authority over these Zelener forex transactions, but the dealers that offer these contracts are not required to be one of the enumerated counterparties outlined in the Act and, therefore, retail customers of these firms do not get all of the regulatory protections they need (see Zelener).
The Dodd-Frank Act closes this gap by requiring a person acting as a counterparty to forex Zelener contracts to be registered as an FCM. Presumably, the CFTC also could allow this person to register as a retail foreign exchange dealer. The Act also amends the definition of commodity pool operator (CPO), commodity trading advisor (CTA) and IB to include a registration requirement for other intermediaries that may engage in activity relating to forex Zelener contracts. The legislation goes even further in regard to non-forex Zelener contracts. The Act prohibits retail trading in Zelener-type futures look-alike products other than forex unless the transactions are done on-exchange. Therefore, with certain exceptions, firms will be prohibited from offering these types of contracts to the retail public unless the contracts are traded on-exchange.
A second regulatory gap closed by the Dodd-Frank Act relates to the list of the types of otherwise regulated entities that can act as counterparties to retail customers in off-exchange forex futures. The list currently includes banks, insurance companies, investment bank holding companies, FCMs, broker-dealers and “financial institutions.” Financial institutions are defined to include a range of highly regulated types of businesses, including, for example, federal or state credit unions and depository institutions covered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). The definition of “financial institution” also includes “foreign banks” as defined in the International Banking Act of 1973, which covers any institution in any foreign country that engages in activities usually associated with banking in that particular jurisdiction.
The “foreign bank” exemption has become an increasingly popular means for forex counterparties to circumvent U.S. regulatory requirements designed to protect retail customers. The Dodd-Frank Act addresses this circumvention by providing that a financial institution only qualifies as an enumerated counterparty if it is a United States financial institution. This could dramatically impact U.S. retail customers who currently trade forex with entities located outside the U.S. When this provision becomes effective in mid-2011, it may be illegal for non-U.S. financial institutions to offer retail forex trading to U.S. customers. The Act also eliminates insurance companies and investment bank holding companies from the list of enumerated counterparties.
Even U.S. customers trading OTC retail forex through a U.S. bank or broker-dealer could be affected by the Dodd-Frank Act. Section 742 of the Act provides that if the otherwise regulated “enumerated counterparty” to retail forex OTC transactions (i.e. FCMs, broker-dealers, U.S. financial institutions) has a federal regulatory agency, the agency must issue rules governing OTC retail forex transactions by mid-2011. If the Federal regulatory agency does not issue forex rules, then the counterparty may be prohibited from entering into those OTC retail forex futures transactions.To date, the CFTC is the only federal regulatory agency to issue rules for retail forex, which become effective October 18, 2010. Therefore, unless other federal regulatory agencies act, the impact of this language could be that only FCMs could engage in OTC retail forex futures transactions after mid-2011. At this time, non-FCM counterparties whose federal regulators do not meet Section 742’s requirements could still engage in this activity by registering an affiliate as an FCM subject to the CFTC’s rules.
Although it may be too early to determine accurately the ultimate impact of the Dodd-Frank Act on IBs and retail traders, it’s safe to say the regulatory landscape has definitely changed.
Zelener
The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 sought to (among other things) clarify the CFTC’s authority over retail foreign exchange trading. However, a District court ruled in the CFTC v. Zelener – and the Seventh Circuit Court confirmed in 2004 – that the CFTC did not have authority over certain retail forex trading because the contracts in question were not futures but “rolling spot” contracts and the CFTC authority was only for futures. The CFTC Reauthorization Act of 2008 closed the Zelener loophole and Dodd-Frank requires any entity offering retail forex trading to belong to a Federal regulator, which must have written rules by a specific date.
Karen K. Wuertz is senior vice president, strategic planning and communications at the National Futures Association.
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Where should I move to I like a warm climate, low taxes, english speaking, nice schools, and safe cities?
This is starting to piss me off the more I learn about that reform bill. My bank has already started to raise fees I think I know why. Even my liberal wife came to the conclusion that this bill will have very few positive affects for the little guy. Every time congress passes something like this all it does is pass the new costs of doing business down to the consumer. The big guys don’t pay the new bills/taxes imposed by congress we do! :mad:
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Australia by all means. Or somewhere in the Caribbean (Dominica, Barbados, British Virgin Islands).
I’ve been wanting to move to New Zealand for about 5 years now - but Oz would be nice, as well. They do boast the appealing geographical feature of being almost exactly on the opposite side of the world from where I currently reside. The idea of relocating to (literally) the farthest point on earth from eastern Pennsylvania is really attractive to me.
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Thank you Clint for the effort. I spent time getting some info, I managed to get through Germany and Switzerland. Tired, I’ll continue the effort later…here’s what I found:
(Caveats: I didn’t go into spreads, this is information I gleaned either directly from the website or through good searches. Also, I only appended a negative review for one broker; reviews are generally non-dispositive, but that broker actually has had trouble with the police so didn’t investigate further).
Again, these are from Clint’s Germany and Switzerland list:
“As of early 2010 Finexo was purchased by SafeCap Investments, an EU regulated broker with a strong financial background and coincidentally enough, also owns GFC markets. As a result of the merge, Finexo no longer accepts U.S. clients.”
Varengold: The Online Broker is a No US Clients Broker
dbfx – Deutsche Bank AGUS Clients: yes 5k minimum deposit deutsche bank is regulated probably a safe broker
Forex web trader; micro accounts; accepts us traders (for now); no metatrader
ACM Another web site of this company is www.ForexPro.com
2009-04-05: There was a police raid against AC Markets. We have an article in our forums about this issue, along with a response from ACM. The FPA recommends using a reasonably high level of caution dealing with this company until more facts come out.
CIM bank minimum deposit 5k (unsure if accepts us residents) waiting response.
Dukascopy – will not be accepting us residents
MIG bank accepts us customers 2k minimum deposit (no micro accounts, call the smallest account a “micro”). Has Swiss and EU regulation, appears to have expert advisors but I didn’t see a mt4 download so that may have to be configured. Sounds like a very solid, well capitalized broker
Tadawul FX has mt4, min 500 to open, waiting for word on us residents
Good night.
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(thought I was done for the night after my last post).
CMS Forex — Forex - Forex Trading - FX - FX Trading - CMS Forex UK
Activ Trades — Activtrades - Forex, CFD, Futures. New MT4.Low or Zero Commission
Alpari UK — Forex trading (FX) with Alpari UK - Online currency trading
Finotec — Forex, Forex Trading, Online Forex Trading Platform - Finotec UK Trading
HY Markets — HY Markets Home
MF Global — Stock Trading, Shares & Currency Market Trading System | MF Global
One Financial — One Financial Markets | Trading Broker –Regulated by FSA | London, UK
ODL Markets — Forex Trading, Broker & Software provider for FX, Spead betting, CFDs- ODL Markets (Powered by FXCM)
ODL does not accept US clients
One financial; yes to us clients, 250 minimum deposit, has mt4
MF Global: facing class action lawsuit in US
HY Markets
Mini - $50 min. deposit, 2,000 unit min. trade size, 7 pip variable spread on EUR/USD;
Standard - $750 min. deposit, 10,000 unit min. trade size, 5 pip variable spread on EUR/USD;
Premium - $2,500 min. deposit, 100,000 unit min. trade size, 3 pip variable spread on EUR/USD;
7 PIPS! OUCH! Don’t think so…
Alpari - centered in Russia. Not my cup of tea, so didn’t go any further.
Finotec has us branches so is subject to new rules
Activtrades no us traders
CMS Forex no us traders
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