Going offshore to escape the CFTC

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If Bitcoin or any other crypto currency takes over or creates the foundation of alternate global currency then how will USA keep printing money to float free debt for it’s balance sheets? [/quote]

I think the answer to that question might lie in a “central bank cryptocurrency”, not yet issued, but being studied by the U.S. Federal Reserve System. The concept is a cryptodollar circulating alongside U.S. cash and central bank reserves. The cryptodollar would be pegged to the U.S. dollar, eliminating bitcoin-style volatility.

In some respects, the proposed cryptodollar would function just like bitcoin, notably in its distributed ledger (blockchain) accounting basis. However, it would not entail third-party anonymity, which is a key feature of bitcoin.

The little that I understand about central bank cryptocurrencies I learned just yesterday from an article published in the September 2017 BIS Quarterly Review. Here’s a link to the Quarterly Review in .pdf format. The article, Central bank cryptocurrencies, by Morton Bech and Rodney Garratt, begins in page 55.

The Quarterly Review article does not use the term “cryptodollar” – that’s my term for a cryptocurrency pegged 1:1 to the U.S. dollar, as described in the article.

Being highly suspicious of government, I can easily imagine a time in the not-too-distant future when the U.S. government will outlaw all cryptocurrencies except the official, Federal Reserve-issued cryptodollar. Of course, the justification given for that will be the need to crack down on rampant tax evasion and money laundering carried on in the non-government cryptocurrencies.

When the federal government establishes itself as the central clearing point for all cryptocurrency transactions into, out of, or within, the United States, they will have re-established their total control over the money supply.

Maybe I’m paranoid.

But, just because I’m paranoid, that doesn’t mean that they’re not out to get me.

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Im thinking that the gov will go after the crypto-to fiat-exchanges if anything. There’s a big misnomer that BTC is anonymous. It’s not anonymous at all. In fact they were able to trace transaction’s that led to Silk Road creator Ross Ulbricht prosecution and imprisonment.

Russian exchange BTC-E got shut down for alleged money laundering, despite their ongoing use of supposed “mixers”.

There are anonymous crypto’s like DASH, but at the end of the day its all worthless up until the point you convert to fiat.

I read the other day that the bank to bank proposed
standard is called “Ripple”

Here’s the link: https://www.ripple.com/

I could be wrong about the scope of Ripple.

hyperscalper

FINPROTRADING – DO THEY STILL ANSWER TICKETS?

Normally eager to “bug” me with phone calls and emails, now when
I fill out an official support ticket I get… SILENCE.

FinProTrading ! What’s wrong with your Support Ticket service?
If it’s one of the Hurricanes, then I apologize; otherwise, I’m getting
pissed off.

I need them to fix the slow performance of one of our accounts, but
I guess there’s NO HURRY… in their opinion?

email date: Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:57 PM

They received my ticket request, and here’s their prompt email:

"FinPro Trading

Dear XXX,

Your support ticket for Slow execution times for Market Orders has been successfully created. you can check the status of your ticket HERE
If you require any assistance or have any questions, please feel free to contact us any time via Live Chat, email ( [email protected]) or call +44 20 3289 3467.
Kind Regards,
FinPro Trading "

[EDIT] By the way, I can’t find any “Live Chat” option; it certainly isn’t obvious as I am logged into my FinProTrading “dashboard” client area.

[EDIT2] They may soon send me an automatic acknowledgement email stating " Your support request for 'Crappy Support" has been successfully created"…

hyperscalper

Try the chat link here: Open a Forex Trading Account - FinPro Trading

Tradersway is really into something fishy… They dont allow us close our positions in profit… Always off quote, re-quote… 15 seconds later replies the broker server…

i e-mailed the issue to dealing depaprtment and their respond was stupid. They said they cant read the screenshots because of small resolution… But the screenshots are quite readable…

Please dont refere ppl to TW anymore…They are not trusted anymore.

FINPROTRADING SUPPORT
OK, did get a Live Chat agent, here’s the transcript:

“WELCOME TO FINPRO TRADING
SUPPORT AGENT.
Hello. How may I help you?
CLIENT
1:26 pm
Is your trouble ticket system down? I have an outstanding ticket 2 days now with no response…
SUPPORT AGENT.
hi there
sorry for the inconvenience, may i have your ticket number along with your name and registered email address
CLIENT
Ticket xxxxxx
It concerns slow Market Order executions for a live account
SUPPORT AGENT.
we are really sorry for the inconvenience, let me raise the ticket to my back end team so they can look into it on priority basis and update you on the same asap, rest assured you will receive the feedback asap
CLIENT
Thanks, but why has it been missed? You having system problems?
SUPPORT AGENT.
generally within 24 hours all the queries are solved however if back end team is indulged in the detailed investigation for the same, it might take longer than 24 hours but i have raised the ticket from my side on the priority basis and for sure you will receive the feedback asap as they must be doing the detailed investigation for your issue”

[EDIT] Still no response at all from FinProTrading. I wonder if they outsource it to a Hurricane hit area like Puerto Rico ? But seriously, I am not impressed.

hyperscalper

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hyperscalper

Here we go again. Tradersway keeps on scamming us

2017.09.21 21:00:59.538 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15914 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:01:00.490 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15914 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:01:07.338 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15914 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:01:10.380 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15914 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:01:12.377 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:01:15.263 ‘189458’: order was opened : #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:01:15.263 ‘189458’: modify order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 -> sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16285
2017.09.21 21:01:15.263 Publisher: starting
2017.09.21 21:01:15.419 ‘189458’: order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 was modified -> sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16285
2017.09.21 21:01:16.574 Publisher: ok
2017.09.21 21:02:01.876 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15868 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:02:03.140 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15868 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:02:06.166 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15867 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:02:07.508 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15867 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:02:22.250 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15872 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:02:23.841 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15872 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:02:26.945 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15869 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:02:28.552 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15869 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:02:31.017 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15869 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:02:32.499 ‘189458’: order buy 1.05 EURCHF. opening at 1.15869 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 failed [Off quotes]

2017.09.21 21:32:57.626 ‘189458’: instant order buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15874 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:32:58.998 Publisher: starting
2017.09.21 21:32:59.014 ‘189458’: order was opened : #36497586 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15874 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000
2017.09.21 21:32:59.014 ‘189458’: modify order #36497586 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15874 sl: 0.00000 tp: 0.00000 -> sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16274
2017.09.21 21:32:59.154 ‘189458’: order #36497586 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15874 was modified -> sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16274
2017.09.21 21:33:00.324 Publisher: ok
2017.09.21 21:35:32.355 ‘189458’: close order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16285 at price 1.15900
2017.09.21 21:35:33.596 ‘189458’: order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. closing at 1.15900 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:35:36.303 ‘189458’: close order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. at 1.15885 sl: 0.00000 tp: 1.16285 at price 1.15904
2017.09.21 21:35:37.231 ‘189458’: order #36496100 buy 1.05 EURCHF. closing at 1.15904 failed [Off quotes]
2017.09.21 21:38:00.972 Publisher: ok

Someone from Tradersway contacted me and said in an e-mail that i have to learn what a market and instant execution is quoting my complaints here on this thread.

He or she may be right but this was not happening before. And its not only me who is having the same problem.

It has become unprofitable all of a sudden…You decide ppl.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I am so happy that i didn’t get to try them, i am so close to deposit some money

I have been watching this thread for many years, lost a few passwords and settled on becoming visitor. I have live accounts with Tradersway and LMFX, and since they are the only ones left on our list that offer 1:1000 I try to use them while we still have that option. 3 months ago during news with Tradersway, where an automatic order did not work, I made a profit of $180 combined in 3 separate live accounts which I should not have made if my take profit would have worked. However, they did not substract the extra profit. Overall I have been happy with them and have withdrawn steady profit over the year.

I also use LMFX however they do not charge commission on there premium account which has the higher deposit requirement of $50, so I do wonder if that means they are a market maker? And not ecn. However the LMFX indicators are more accurate then Tradersway in my experience. I have opened a Finpro account due to the good reviews I have seen in this thread. I do think we should monitor and focus a little attention on the deposit and withdrawal methods and fee changes for US resident with the remaining brokers bc it seems to me, hiking fees for wire transfers and hassling banks for doing business with these brokers is also part of the strategy to shut us out.

Thank you all for your contributions, there is no other resource on this topic anywhere else. Keep it up.

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That’s why i use Bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals. Have never had a problem.

I have withdrawn profit using bitcoin with Tradersway and you are right it is an easy process only problem I see with that right now is the fluctuations in bitcoin prices you can lose a bunch of money while you wait for the transaction to go through and finally get bitcoin converted into US dollar to use.

Okay just wanted to say that I did get a response for finpro trading which was wholly unsatisfactory they claim service times were 50 milliseconds in that range I pointed out to them that they were delaying our trades through a front-end aggregator most likely. Their attitude was pretty arrogant and condescending so I’m waiting for them to respond. What they did, during the course of their investigation, was to screw up one of the accounts that was fast and now made it equally slow with the other account. I requested they fix both accounts to execute much faster. So finpro trading support? … not impressed. They did not even bother to inform me that they were looking into the matter. Just messed up. I am putting a hold on adding money to FinProTrading until we get a decent support response.

Hyperscalper

I’m thinking you’re drastically over inflating the issue. You can either pay wire fees are pay costs associated with using BTC. That’s the reality with dealing with offshore brokers. You can’t have your cake and eat it too imo.

Interesting, are you using a trade bot? Is that why you need faster executions?

Hi Cryptosurf,

Well, I’m sure you know that SPEED does not guarantee winning at the
Retail Trading game. Along with speed, we also want consistency of
latency but, again, speed isn’t what makes money. It’s very difficult, for
example, to try to “chase” price with low latencies, and expect to win…

I’m developing trading over several different types of timeframe. And
one of those approaches does use BOTs, which I think of as “nibbling”
to exploit imbalances in relative Currency Strengths, or Order Flow
anomalies, where speed and precision are the keys to success.

Also, if I want a standard lot position in a Currency Pair, which is 100,000
units, I prefer to do that in several or even up to a dozen individual positions
which, taken together, give me a favorable VWAP. So, if you want to
close a dozen positions (which together constitute your overall position),
then that means closing a dozen or dozens of positions as quickly as
possible.

Closing them one at a time (with one instance of a MetaTrader terminal process)
would take 6 seconds, if closure time (which is a Market order) is 500 msecs.
If closure time is 100 msecs, then it takes only 1.2 seconds to serially close
a dozen positions. But I am using the NJ4X framework, which allows us to
allocate “pools” of MetaTrader 4 “terminal.exe” processes which are allocated
requests to execute “in parallel” or concurrently. This also helps improve response
times for multi-trade global positions in a single Currency Pair. (MT4 is synchronous
in its Order Processing).

Another big issue for me is that I use what I call “Virtual Limit Orders”. Basically,
instead of placing normal Limit Orders (which will trigger immediately), the idea
is to “simulate” a Limit Order which is “smart”. It will respect the pricing constraints
of normal Limit Order but, when Price is moving against and through the limit
price, it will NOT trigger until the “price run” is finished, and THEN it will trigger
using a Market Order. So this is a “latency sensitive” operation which almost
always gives “price improvement” over a normal Limit Order, and relies upon
“run length analyzers” as part of its behavior.

Having said all of this, if you followed down this far, Latency doesn’t Win in Trading,
all by itself. If your Analytics are no good, then Speed won’t save you !! So that’s
why low Latency and Consistency are so important, even though it is only one end
of the “trading spectrum” which does usually involve a BOT process inside the
Trade Manager. These are not EA’s inside a single MT4 terminal, because we
are using MT4 only as the “lowest layer” of execution, where “the rubber meets
the road” to give us broker portability. The BOTs are operating at a much higher
level, and can be much more complex than what can be written in MQL. Instead,
the BOTs are written in Java.

Developers who want to do this should seriously consider using the NJ4X.com
framework, which is licensed at a very reasonable cost. You’d need to be a Java
or a C# programmer to use such a framework, and it’s not designed for “arbitrage”
but it can then simultaneously connect to multiple MT4/5 brokerages. Where this
has value for me, is that I create a Master/Slave structure, where Trades in the Master
account are immediately reflected in a handful of Slave accounts, with the lowest
possible latency. The Slave’s responses depend upon quickly detecting the positions
of the Master, and then immediately replicating those individual trade positions in
ALL of the Slaves, in parallel, within a multi-threaded process, via the NJ4X.com
API framework. Just a fast version of Trade copying, but it allows me to
create some money for associates, as a “side effect” of Trades in the Master
account. The Slaves “scale up or down” the Lot Sizes of the Master account
but, otherwise, they replicate all positions.

All of this happens across 28 Currency Pairs, so we can have a situation where
we have trades in ALL pairs, each of which has multiple-entries; and also trying
to replicate all of that into Slave accounts… Again, latency and consistency is
needed but, in the case of Slaves, they may be in a different broker than the Master, with
its own pricing and latency characteristics…

hyperscalper

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With Tradersway the minimum fee for withdrawing using wire transfer is $150+whatever your bank charges($35 in my case), and with LMFX they don’t charge any fees for the wire withdrawal on there end, which is good bc LMFX does not support bitcoin deposits or withdrawals and neteller, skrill and all others like them do not service US customers.
Tradersway does support bitcoin deposits and withdrawals and it’s taken 4-5 days for the bitcoin to show up in my wallet from Tradersway. I figure some may find it useful to know what the costs are as they decide on a broker.

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4-5 days? Never had that experience, more like 4-5hrs at most once initiated.