Going offshore to escape the CFTC

https://www.ifsc.gov.bz/licensed-service-providers/list-f/

you can see there registration under Quantix Financial Services Ltd. they list yadix as there website address

UNSOLICITED MAY BE THE KEY

Websites would be considered ā€œsolicitationā€ so it is
not surprising that a broker would not advertise acceptance
of a U.S. person. However, an ā€œunsolicitedā€ contact and
application could be accepted by the broker quietly
as suggested above.

[EDIT added allegedlyā€¦ :)]
I may have mentioned a client of mine [allegedly] has an account
with [undisclosed broker] in Australia, as a U.S. person, but
the account size was $200k or soā€¦ So ā€œmoney
talksā€, and a discussion with a broker could result
in acceptance ā€œunder the radarā€ā€¦

[EDIT2] I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE SUGGESTION
WE NEED TO ā€œSNEAK AROUNDā€ TO BROKERS WHEN
IT SHOULD BE PERFECTLY LEGAL !!! END OF RANT !!.

hyperscalper

IC MARKETS NOTICE ON WEBSITE THAT U.S. PERSONS NOT ACCEPTED

I began an application for a Live account on ICMarkets.com and
a brief notice flashed up (then disappeared) that they will not
accept U.S. clients, despite ā€œUnited Statesā€ being in the list. Using
Windows Zoomit utility, I was able to capture the message which is this:

You are allowed to proceed further with the application form and will
presumably be contactedā€¦ This allows the broker to ā€œqualifyā€ the applicant
and come to a decisionā€¦

Actually a client of mine does have such an account. For purposes of this
forum, letā€™s say he is a ā€œcitizen of the worldā€. LOL. Iā€™ll gather some more
info on the broker, and may get a chance to do a technical evaluation
of their major Forex offerings using my platform and MetaTrader 4.

[EDIT] A QEP is technically the status you would need to bypass the CFTC
restrictions, but I believe certain terms may be ā€œnegotiableā€. The client
I refer to does have substantial assets, but Iā€™m not sure s/he meets
QEP status.

[EDIT2] Note the language states ā€œU.S. residentsā€ ā€¦ Certainly if I
resided in Canada and was a U.S. person, the issue would continue
to ariseā€¦ But we shouldnā€™t have to leave our beloved country to trade !!!

[EDIT3] I note they use backend liquidity services in New York,
and having some component
of their firm inside the U.S. perhaps that is where the liability arises that
revenues may be impounded by the ā€œFedsā€ should there be any issuesā€¦

[EDIT4] Last edit, I promise. So a QEP (Qualified Eligible Participant?)
is someone who can demonstrate ā€œaggregate assetsā€ of $5 million
and perhaps the client could do that, due to his business as a private
investor holding various startup companiesā€¦ Again, I protest that such
a loophole should be the only way for us to do business with these
offshore brokers of high quality ! ā€œHe doth protest !!..ā€ LOL SAD reallyā€¦

hyperscalper

TURNKEYFOREX.COM VOTE FOR TRUSTED BROKER STATUS

Iā€™d like to up-vote TurnkeyForex.com to ā€œTrusted Brokerā€ status,
inasmuch as it shares the same infrastructure as FinProTrading.com
and may even have more responsive customer supportā€¦

My votes are restricted to Forex trading only on the major 28 pairsā€¦
I donā€™t use any other brokerage offeringsā€¦

hyperscalper

EVOLVE.MARKETS HAS UPGRADED TO MT5

I guess for new accounts, Evolve has updated to MT5. I have
an old MT4 account and a new MT5 account. Iā€™ll just post what
they say the new features are. This includes not only native BTC
(BIT) accounts, but now LiteCoin native funded accounts:

Itā€™s a bit confusing as there are separate ā€œprivate officeā€ areas
for management of the MT4 versus the MT5 accounts, but they are
certainly pushing the envelopeā€¦

In my case, these upgrades to MT5 pose potential complications, since
I use the NJ4X.com API framework, which does support the mixing
of both MT4 and MT5 server typesā€¦ I guess we canā€™t stop Progress !! LOL

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ADAMANTFINANCE.COM MT4 ACCOUNT

I decided to get an Adamant account to check their general
performance and specs. It would be their MarketPrime account type
with spreads from 0.1 PIPsā€¦

However, their website is woefully unmanaged, and literally isnā€™t
working to open the account; it just times out. Iā€™m accustomed to
that, since the trading servers are often completely different and
work fine, despite a website issue. Also, an attempt to chat with
support times out as wellā€¦ Not an auspicious start, but I will keep tryingā€¦

So, this is in the interest of ā€œdiversificationā€ of accounts, and I do
have a Master/multi-Slave relationship in the software, so that I can
exercise these various accounts simultaneously through the
NJ4X.com multi-brokerage MT4/MT5 pooling capabilitiesā€¦ Anywayā€¦
I will report the performance/technical stats for the 28 major Forex
pairs, if I can ever get an account actually established !! embarrassing

hyperscalper

Hello, iĀ“m not an american trader but i feel curiosity. who writes the list of forex brokers off shore authorized to acept traders from USA? NFA, CFTC?
Has anybody tried to demand these authorities at a court with a good lawyers team?
WhatĀ“re the real reasons behind this nonsense regulatory body?
Is ā€œget up, stand up fight for your rightsā€ an option?

[quote=ā€œjag1969, post:5145, topic:35612ā€]
get up, stand up fight for your rights" an option
[/quote]NO, get up, stand up fight for your rights is not an option, because itā€™s the law.of the land.

ADAMANT FOLLOW-UP

Tried the account creation again, and ā€œAccount opening failedā€
continues to appear.

On what basis are we including AdamantFinance.com in our list?

Yes, this is a weekend, so I should wait until markets open, but
this would appear to be a ā€œdeadā€ organization !?! ā€¦ Login to chat,
fails with a timeoutā€¦ No emails appear as the result of these
multiple website failuresā€¦

Do we have AdamantFinance trader clients anywhere on this thread?

hyperscalper


Iā€™m having the same issues with the Adamant website. Hereā€™s a screen-shot ā€“
(click the image to enlarge it)


On the basis that Adamant Finance has (previously) appeared to be ā€”

(1) a legitimate broker that (2) welcomes U.S. clients.

If their legitimacy is in question, we will have to remove them from our List.

Until we find out whatā€™s going on with this broker, I will add a WARNING to the Adamant Finance listing on post #1.

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I think they have proved to be stable and have stood with their commitments so far. I would vote them as a trusted broker.

BTW, any bitcoin based brokers you found outside of what we already have ?, It will be great to be able to add some crypto brokers to our list.

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I wish it was that easy :slight_smile:

USING CRYPTO THROUGH SHAPESHIFT TO FUND ACCOUNT
*** IMPORTANT SHAPESHIFT / COINBASE INFO *****

OK, I understand this is a bit off-topic but, since the CFTCā€™s attack methods
on U.S. personsā€™ offshore brokers, include restricting FUNDS TRANSFER
methods, I have advocated using Crypto for transfer of funds to and
from these brokers. These brokers include Evolve.Markets, FinProTrading,
TurnkeyForex and others which will accept Crypto transfers, usually
in BitCoin (BTC).units.

ShapeShift.io is a service which will transform one Crypto currency
to another one, and then forward the result to a destination. In my
case, I had Ethereum coin in Coinbase, which I wanted to ā€œpipeā€ through
ShapeShift.io into BTC and deposit those BTC at Evolve.Markets in
the account.

I MADE THE MISTAKE OF CHOOSING ā€œPRECISEā€ AS THE
TRANSFER METHOD AT SHAPESHIFT. Hereā€™s the problem.
When choosing ā€œpreciseā€ as the method, Coinbase as the sender
was NOT able to send the data to ShapeShift in the FIVE MINUTES
of time allowed. THUS SHAPESHIFT ā€œtimes outā€. You should have
provided a ā€œREFUND ADDRESSā€ in the transaction and so ShapeShift
refunds the transaction which hits it, BACK to the sender which is
Coinbase, in my example. (Minus the small fee.) Well, at least I got
my money back on the failed transaction (minus the fee).

INSTEAD, HEREā€™S HOW YOU USE SHAPESHIFT.IO . DO NOT
CHOOSE THE ā€œPRECISEā€ METHOD; CHOOSE ā€œQUICKā€ INSTEAD.

This is described at ShapeShift.io here:
https://info.shapeshift.io/blog/2016/03/11/pro-tip-difference-between-quick-and-precise-transaction

BOTTOM LINE: Always use ā€œQuickā€ to initiate the ShapeShift.io transaction,
and always provide a valid ā€œrefund addressā€ back to your source wallet in case
of problems. Be very careful with the ā€œdestinationā€ which is where you want
to sent the resulting coin, and choosing the input and output crypto types,
of courseā€¦

I was able to move $100 of Ethereum from Coinbase, through ShapeShift.io
into BTC and on to the MT5 Evolve.Markets account in less than 3 minutes !!!
So, when you want quick funds transfers (with a little practice) using ShapeShift.io
(or there may be other such services) you have the ability to hold your favorite
Crypto (I prefer LiteCoin or Ethereum, rather than BitCoin) but to fund your
Broker in the Crypto form that is acceptedā€¦ very quickly !!

Practice makes perfect on these things, so do small transactions to make
sure you know how to do it safely. Hereā€™s the ShapeShift.io confirmation screen:

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just signed up to FinPro account ā€“ anyone notice TurnKey Fx Demo server registers as a ā€œRealā€ account for EAā€™s and third party services?

Hereā€™s an email I sent to Adamant Finance ([email protected]) this morning ā€“
(click the image to enlarge it)


There has been no reply to my email to Adamant Finance.

Their website remains essentially unusable. Their support staff remain unreachable.

Later tonight or tomorrow, I will remove Adamant Finance (SVG) from our List.

Any thoughts on the Dodd-Frank rollback, as far as US forex traders are concerned?

The rollback youā€™re referring to was extremely modest, easing the regulatory burden on a certain group of small banks, and nothing more. It falls far short of Trumpā€™s campaign promise to repeal Dodd-Frank.

The Los Angeles Times reports ā€“

Trump signs bipartisan bill rolling back some Dodd-Frank bank regulations

  • President Trump on Thursday signed bipartisan legislation rolling back some of the Dodd-Frank financial rules put in place after the 2008 financial crisis, touting another victory for his deregulatory agenda.

  • But the bill fell well short of his campaign call to dismantle the 2010 Dodd-Frank law, leaving key pillars unchanged, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

  • Instead, with the key support of some Senate Democrats, the legislation focuses relief on small and medium-sized banks that had complained they were unfairly burdened with regulations designed to prevent a future crisis.

Hereā€™s the entire article ā€“



Previously in this thread, I have written that the CFTCā€™s strangle-hold on retail forex would exist with or without Dodd-Frank. The legislation that gives the CFTC control over retail forex pre-dates Dodd-Frank. So, even if Trump manages ā€“ sometime in the future ā€“ to scrap the whole damn thing, U.S. residents trading through U.S. brokers will still be stuck with restricted leverage, the FIFO rule, and the prohibition against hedging.

Hereā€™s a post that might be of interest to you ā€“

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The control-freaks at the CFTC are not being restrained ā€“ they are extending their control.

In the post above (post #4894), I linked to a previous post in which I ran through a brief history of the CFTC. In one paragraph, I wrote this ā€“

  • ā€œThe CFTCā€™s authority over retail ā€œrolling spotā€ forex transactions was repeatedly challenged in the courts, on the grounds that ā€œrolling spotā€ forex transactions were not futures contracts, and therefore the CFTC had no jurisdiction over them. In the most notable case, CFTC v. Zelener (2004), the Seventh Circuit Court ruled against the CFTC, and in favor of defendant Zelener, exempting ā€œrolling spotā€ forex transactions from CFTC jurisdiction.ā€

That paragraph makes clear that the CFTCā€™s mandate was (originally) to regulate futures contracts on U.S. futures exchanges. Accordingly, the courts struck down the CFTCā€™s attempts to extend their authority to include retail forex ā€“ because a retail forex position does not satisfy the definition of a futures contract.

After years of battle in the courts, the control-freaks won, and now retail forex is regulated by the CFTC, on the basis that rolling spot forex transactions look enough like futures contracts that weā€™ll just go ahead and pretend that they actually are futures contracts.

Language ā€“ and even specific legal terminology ā€“ can be twisted into a pretzel by control-freaks.

Fasten your seat-belt.

If you think the CFTC is limited to regulating futures ā€“ well, you donā€™t appreciate the territorial ambitions of the CFTC.

They want to regulate cryptocurrencies. But, thereā€™s just no way to twist the language- pretzel tight enough to make cryptocurrencies fit the definition of a futures contract.

Thatā€™s no problem for the control-freaks. They simply claim that the Commodity Futures Trading Commission should have control over anything that can be classified as a commodity, whether it has anything to do with futures, or not.

See what you can do with the language-pretzel? You can interpret commodity futures to mean commodities or futures. Then, all you have to do is get your buddies at the SEC to declare that cryptocurrencies are not currencies ā€“ instead, they are commodities ā€“ and presto! youā€™ve seized control of cryptocurrency regulation, just like you seized control of retail forex regulation.

Itā€™s good to work for the CFTC, or anywhere else in the Deep State, if youā€™re a control-freak.

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  1. I didnā€™t know there were 16 Tier 1 (Prime Broker) Liquidity providers, lol
  2. How many Tier 1 relationships does the typical Prime of Prime have? (Usually 1 or maybe 2).
    How many of these PoPs are offshore?

Glad someone is actually thinking this through before they deposit :smirk:

Why is it taking so long? A withdraw should be fully processed within 24 business hours.
That must have been quite painful. Hopefully we wonā€™t see you over at FPA Scam Alerts folder.