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Yes but usually not “find what feels” but if it is positive, and meets your requirements, keep trading it on demo, "Till It Feels Natural"

The Ever Natural VIPER

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Big surprise! I have more questions :slight_smile:

Any chance you can throw me a chart or an explanation of a setup that you consider to the best of the best?

Several questions here, and that may just be because my mind is over complicating this.

First, why is it import for the closes and opens to line up well and not have any candles that have large wicks?

Second, what does PPD mean?

Finally, in your scenario, we use the 4 hr chart to determine trend, and then use a lower time frame to time the best entry for a position that goes with the 4 hr trend, right? For example, if 4hr is bullish, then we drop to the hourly or 15 minute chart and look for a double bottom (for example)? Would the inverse work for exiting - for example, if we are in the trade and profitable, but see a double top form on the 1hr chart would we want to exit or take off some profits?

Meaning profitable I am assuming as that is the end goal, whether it’s there by high win rate or by large reward vs small risk?

Thanks so much for the detailed explanations! I am starting to feel like my head is slowly wrapping around this trading business.

Ok look at this, just a theory/idea, not trading or investment advice.

Preset a long order, EUR/USD at 1.1710, with a stop at 1.1665 and a TP at 1.1807 ish, maybe 1820, or instead of a TP at 1.1800, do a true pyramid, use you profits from the run from 1.1710 to add x lots, then set your overall TP to 1.1850. Now since you have FIFO, you could even Short the USD/CHF instead, if you wanted to let the second leg run a bit. Yeahhhh, you know what, sounds like an Oscar Meyer to me.

The Ever Full Of Ideas VIPER

No idea what pyramiding is…

Lost me here too…

Popped this into my demo account and then looked at the chart and I think I see why. Long entry is at the bottom of the range formed by the 9/29 daily candle for the high and the 10/6 daily candle for the low. Take profit at the top of the range, stop loss set to protect against a bearish breakout. Did I understand that right?

You will hear people throwing the term Pyramiding around here and they have no idea what they are talking about. A true Pyramid trade, is when you are profitable in a trade, and you think it has some “legs” so as soon as you have enough profit to allow you to margin some more units, you add to the position, thereby using the profit from the current trade, to leverage more profit out of the total run.

FIFO = First In First Out, Means if you have a Pyramid trade in place and the Second Leg, starts to come back at you, or you want to trim some size off of the second leg because of whatever you cannot, you have to close out the your first entry, then mess with the second leg. As far as the USD/CHF is concerned, these two pairs are divergent, so instead of adding to the original, you can open a Swissy in the opposite direction, so you are dollar weak both sides. Now it will not be 1:1 gain, but it is a way around FIFO.

Yes you did, it is always better to trade extremes in a rangy market, there are still opportunities, they are just different. Also this range is still young, so there may be a couple of opportunities. In the meantime you can buy the low extremes, and short the highs on Smaller fractals and make some short term trades that way, while your original position hopefully churns higher.

The Ever Willing VIPER

The Ever Giving Directions VIPER

Ok, @TradeViper, so in that chart that you posted I would have entered long at the open of the second bullish candle after the pennant pattern completed. The reason I would have entered that is that we had a very explosive upward movement. Then we would have moved sideways a bit before the market moving up further. That first bullish candle breaks though the resistance level with strength telling me that the bulls are in control. I also have two clear spots for stops depending on how aggressive I want to chase this trade. First stop option is at the low of the first bearish candle after the first upward move (sorry, your screenshot doesn’t give me times and dates). Second stop option is at the low of the indecision candle right before the first upward move.

The reason I would not have entered sooner is that I had no confirmation that the market would continue up. A case could be made to enter at the open of the third bullish candle in the first move but that is at a level where price bounced from in the past. Waiting for the extra confirmation reduces the reward but I think it would also increase the win percentage.

The only downside is that I don’t see a clear way to set profit targets. If this trade came at the start of my trading hours and I had a few hours to watch the charts then no big deal, otherwise, if I needed to go to bed and couldn’t watch the charts then I would probably set my TP for a 2:1 risk reward ratio.

Does my reasoning of why this is a good setup make sense?

In other news, time for updates on my current demo swing trades.

AUD/USD - I took off half my position as the pair is starts to move into a range, and I also moved my stops to yesterday’s open price (0.78506). I want a very tight stop to preserve as much profit as possible before I no longer have a clear directional bias on this pair. I also set a take profit target at 0.78110. The price is currently approaching the mean of the range now so it’s a wait and see what happens. I will probably keep my stops tight as price continues to go down. This trade is currently 45 pips in the profit for a half position (250 units).

USD/JPY - I entered a short position at 112.178 as price was halfway between the upper bound of the range and the mean. My stop is at 113.5 which is that the highest high of the previous bullish leg in the range. Take profit is at the bottom of the range at 108.5. I might have entered too early on this trade as price is moving steadily against me. Currently -60 pips on this trade.

Next Steps in my Development
I feel like I am getting the hang of swing trading with price action. I feel more confident in my abilities to read the charts and understand what they are telling me. I am not ready to throw my money at the market yet, but I think I can sit down and write my trading plan and codify my setups and strategies into words.

Goals for the coming weekend:
A) Test box breakouts on a tick chart in a new demo account set to $100 with 20:1 leverage

B) Write out my trading plan

C) Test out a trading strategy where I take my directional bias from the daily chart, set stops and targets on the 1hr chart, but use the 15-minute chart for entry into the position. I need to think more about how I put this strategy into a series of IF statements (If this happens, then do this - remember, I am a computer programmer)

D) Learn to use and love MT4 - having gotten my start using NinjaTrader this might be a longer-term goal because I used to rely on Fibonacci retracements and extensions but I have dropped them from my trading lately

Ideally, I will reach a point where I have 5 potential trading strategies that I can trade at any one point. Some strategies for the shorter time frames like tick charts, 5 minute charts, and 15 minute charts, and some strategies for longer period time frames such as 1 hour or 4 hour charts.

When I first start trading with real money, I will only be able to be in front of the charts for about 3 hours a day in the evening. I can monitor my trades throughout the day and roll stops or adjust targets if needed, but analyzing charts and entering trades is not something I would be able to do while working. Also there may be some weeks where I just won’t have time to be in front of my computer every night such as having to work late some nights or having other things going on.

While at first glance trading tick charts or 5 minute charts seems like it would lend itself well to my schedule, the missing nights would really hurt my overall returns. However, having swing trades active in a second account would cover the weeks where I can’t sit in front of my computer and trade the short term trades in the evening.

Well, today is a slow day at work as I am performance testing some new code I wrote, which means I do 5 minutes of work, run my code, wait 30 minutes, review results, tweak the code, and run again. In my downtime, I was able to get a rough draft of my trading plan put down to paper, including the different strategies I want to trade.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h69q3XMjfyvwHSsx2GVmhOSnVfclphEZQnQYdYOEJaU/edit?usp=sharing

Feedback is appreciated especially if there is anything important I overlooked.

The Ever Willing To Assist VIPER

6:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT (Currently UTC -5, but will go to UTC -6 when DST kicks in)

Probably going to focus on EUR/USD and AUD/USD, maybe GBP/USD in there as well.

Those pairs are the easiest for me to calculate pip values and trade risk because they are not price dependent for the pip values.

Progress made, so far only have 4 strategies in my plan: daily range trading, trend continuation strategy, double top / bottom counter-trend strategy, and tick chart box breakouts. If I had to pick of those 4 to eliminate it would probably be the trend continuation trade as the rest have clearer setups and entry signals.

ATR? Average True Range?

Yes, Average True Range.

Also here is something, thanks for the money, I was watching GBP/JPY, at the end of the day, just to see if it would be tame enough so you wouldn’t hurt yourself, and guess what happened.

Entered Market 10/18/2017 4:37:07 PM Long 149.107
Covered Limit 10/18/2017 6:58:02 PM TP 149.304

All of this while my Niece was giving me a haircut, and complaining about her inlaws. So I give this pair the Rattle Of Approval for your particular Price/Time Universe. Had it not been for your searching I would not have stumbled over this little gem. Oh and so much for the OANDA spreads at the end of the day messing up trades, this was live, and no prob with the stop, so I proved that to myself also.

The Ever Approving VIPER

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You’re welcome :slight_smile:

I’ll add that pair to my demo test. I also decided to eliminate trading the daily range trades from my plan - taking trades on the daily chart means holding them for a long time, and I just don’t have that kind of patience. The longest I want to hold a trade is a week.

So right now I am thinking of starting a new demo account on Sunday for trading my plan using the 70 tick chart, the 5-minute chart and the 1-hour chart as my three different time frames for entry. I figure my trend trades would be on the 1-hour chart, and my breakout trades would be on the 5-minute chart or the 70 tick chart.

I also decided to eliminate the time frame from my strategy so instead of a tick chart breakout strategy it’s just a breakout strategy that I can trade on any time frame I test it on. The same with trend continuation trades. In my head, I see myself getting market context from the 4 hour chart, confirming it on the hourly chart and if the hourly chart doesn’t give me a clear entry then I would drop down to the 5 minute chart to look for a more precise entry, then come back to the hourly chart to set my stops and targets. Of course, this may be disastrously wrong, but that’s why they invented demo accounts :slight_smile:

Here is how I see a standard trading week for me playing out:

Sunday 4:00 PM EST - 5:00 PM EST - Analyze EURUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD, and GBPJPY for market context on the 4-hour charts. For those pairs trending on the 4-hour chart, check the hourly chart to see if the trend is continuing or if current price action is retracing (for example, bullish on 4 hour but bearish on hourly).

Sunday 5:00 PM EST - 5:30 PM EST - Watch the markets for the first 30 minutes to see if there are any major price corrections or moves on the 5-minute charts.

Sunday 5:30 PM EST - 6:00 PM EST - Enter any trend or counter-trend trades that match my 2:1 risk reward profile and that provide a valid entry signal.

Monday 7:00 PM EST - 10:00 PM EST - Trade breakouts on the 70 tick chart for whichever pair I identify in my demo testing for that strategy - I would assume that would be either an AUD or a JPY pair as those are the open markets at that time.

Tuesday 7:00 PM EST - 10:00 PM EST - Trade breakouts on the 70 tick chart for whichever pair I identify in my demo testing for that strategy - I would assume that would be either an AUD or a JPY pair as those are the open markets at that time.

Wednesday 7:00 PM EST - 10:00 PM EST - Trade breakouts on the 70 tick chart for whichever pair I identify in my demo testing for that strategy - I would assume that would be either an AUD or a JPY pair as those are the open markets at that time.

Thursday 7:00 PM EST - 10:00 PM EST - Trade breakouts on the 70 tick chart for whichever pair I identify in my demo testing for that strategy - I would assume that would be either an AUD or a JPY pair as those are the open markets at that time.

Friday 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM EST - Journal my trades for the week and analyze my tick chart performance. Review my longer-term trades performance and journal those trades. Compare performance with baseline and goal performance. Closeout any longer-term trades to avoid open positions over the weekend. Count my pennies that I made for the current week. Deposit additional funds if I am able to raise account balance (and by extension, position size).

Depending on how the next few weeks go over my demo trading, I might be eliminating the trend trades from my plan and just trade counter-trend and breakouts. I have a hard time spotting trends as they form, and I am not sure how to get better at that. I do like the idea of trading without indicators but price action is hard to read and that only gets better with time and getting my head kicked in.

I have also decided to broaden my definition of “right” to be this: A) Did I follow my plan and B) did it make me money? If yes to both, then I was right.

Just had a major epiphany…

I am way overcomplicating this trading thing. Finding trends in the market is easy as long as you don’t get hung up on the little ebbs and flows in between the major swings. Entering a trend trade is as simple as waiting for the trend to form, which for me means an initial starting point, followed by a move, followed by a retracement, followed by another move that extends the first move.

Bullish trend = initial low followed by a high that breaks above the most recent swing high followed by a low that is higher than the initial low (reverse for bearish trend)

Any market context that falls outside of those patterns is consolidation and I should just SOH until a trend forms.

I don’t need to put on a new trade every day. If I catch 30 pips one week then while it may not be a super huge amount of money when I start, it will get to be pretty big once my account grows. 30 pips a week at $50 pip (5 standard lots) is $1,500 for the week. Do that 50 times and that is basically more than I am making right now.

To trade 5 standard lots on a 15 pip stop loss would mean that I need a $75,000 account to observe the 1% per trade risk rule. If I wanted to risk 5%, then I would only need to have a $15,000 account to put on that position.

If I had entered EURUSD long at 3:55 AM this morning on the 5-minute chart, I could have ridden that trend up for 45 pips before getting stopped out when price action violated the last swing low of that trend 10 minutes ago. 45 pips at a $0.01 pip only equals $0.45, but if it were a $50 pip that would have been $2,250 trade. Time to go to McDonald’s and tell the cashier to go ahead and throw some extra cheese on the burger because it’s a party! Even catching just one trade like this every two weeks would be $58,500 gross profit.

Really, now, the hard part is to figure out how to enter the trend consistently, what time frames to trade on, what currency pairs give me the best edge and what to expect for a win rate on trades like this. Once I get that figured out, then the last hard part to accomplish is to get the $100,000 or so capital I would need to put on 5 standard lot trades.

Unless I am missing something major I feel like this trading thing just got a whole lot easier.

1 hour timeframe, NZD/USD, downward pennant, pennant formed with 5 bars.

The Ever Salient VIPER

This is for education only and is not investment or trading advise

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Man, tonight’s practice session was a non-event. I went to open a 70 tick chart in MetaTrader 4 (after spending 25 minutes trying to create a $100 20:1 leveraged demo account). Turns out, tick charts are not natively supported in MetaTrader 4.

Spent another 35 minutes installing different tick chart indicators and got none of them working. Fired up NinjaTrader, and boom, tick charts natively supported with historical tick data downloaded from NinjaTrader servers.

Looks like I will be buying a full license to NinjaTrader at some point in the future and only going with brokers that support NinjaTrader - sorry OANDA!

I have some good experience with ninjatrader, would def recommend it over metatrader 4. I am still learning it (and trading in general) but it really was the smoothest app for me

Hello everyone!

This is going to be my last post for a while. By that, I mean my last post on BP forums in their entirety. I found a system that I like, is easy for me to spot entries and exits, and is potentially profitable. The next step for me now is to backtest the system on various pairs and time frames to find the most profitable environment for the system.

I spent 20 hours this weekend working on my plan and initial backtesting. I estimate it will take me another 100 hours to finish the backtests on the EUR/USD, GBP/USD, USD/CAD and AUD/USD pairs. I plan on testing entries on the 5 minute, 15 minute, hourly, and 4-hour charts. These tests only concern the entries, stops, and targets while in practice I will be adding higher time frame trend as a filter to which trades I take. For example, if my entry is on the 5-minute chart, then I look for matching trend on the 15-minute chart.

My goal is a 40% win rate with this system because I can only take trades that have a 2:1 risk reward ratio. Once I figure out which timeframes are most profitable based on entries during the time I have to trade I will be narrowing my initial portfolio down to two pairs. This will give me the ability to really focus in on each pair and also trade a bit larger position size than if I were trading 4-6 pairs.

I learned a lot from my time here, and I feel that I accelerated my progress greatly!

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Trade well dudely, Trade Well

The Ever With The Salutations VIPER

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Good luck and pop in and give us updates now and then! :slight_smile:

Hey all, I am back again with another trade analysis. Well, more of something that is on my radar. This is a swing / positional trade opportunity that I am watching, but if it hits I might try to drop down to a lower time frame and make several in and out trades.

EUR/USD finally made a move and I am calling it a bearish trend now. We have an initial high up there at 1.2100 with a move down to 1.1660 followed by a retracement up to 1.1887 followed by a move down to 1.1604. It looks like 1.1600 is developing into a minor support level so at this point I expect the market to retrace up to 1.1700 before falling to 1.1400. 1.1400 is a convergence of a weekly support zone, a 1:1 measured move, a minor daily support level, and a Fibonacci level. There is also a sloppy flag pattern (the pink lines) suggesting that the price is going to bounce up and then fall to 1.400.

My plan to attack this (with demo only, unfortunately) is to wait for the market to retrace up to around 1.1700 and then look for a bearish entry signal such as a lower time frame double top or a bearish engulfing candle, for at worst, price to fall back below 1.1630 after pushing up to 1.1700. Once that happens I am going to get short with a stop loss at 1.1886 and a target at 1.1400 for half the position.

If the target is hit, I will take half the position off as profit and evaluate if I want to keep the position on or get flat. If 1.1400 holds and price moves up again, we can look at that as a reversal back into a bullish trend as the bearish trend was simply a complex retracement in the overall bullish trend. If 1.1400 is violated I will hold my short open (or look at add size) and look to get flat at 1.1100. Finally, if we do hit 1.1100 and it doesn’t hold, the price could fall down to 1.04.

Personally, I am not sold on the idea of hitting 1.1100 because that is a big move. I am thinking that price with either bounce off 1.1600 and continue up or bounce off 1.1600, retrace and then fall to 1.1400 before reversing back into a bullish trend.

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