Is technical analysis real ? i doubt ;)

Edit: after deeper researches, i was wrong. This is not random and follow trends. Nothing to see here !

Hey guys ! DO NOT LOOK AT THE ATTACHEMENT NOW ! JUST FOLLOW THE POST, YOU HAVE TO SEE THE FIRST PIC BEFORE VIEWING THE SECOND ONE :smiley:

I was thinking about stuff and thought it would be nice to share it with you !

Iā€™m not going to write too much stuff, just going to show you 2 pictures:

Here is the first one: A clear exemple of what you can easily do with clean charts and no indicators: keep it simple, trading is not rocket science :wink:

Visionneuse images - Noelshack

And here is the following:

Visionneuse images - Noelshack

PS: Donā€™t forget to have a strong money management boys, good risk reward and stuff ;D

PPS: You better just forget about this post, iā€™m just a naysayer, after all, thereā€™s a lot of retail forex traders that are consistently winning money out there !

Have a nice day gentlemen :slight_smile:



Eveybody trades forex using technical analysis in one form or another, so it is real

This is just a rehash of random walk which has already been disproven academically. Nothing new or ground breaking here, considering this has been studied over 30 years or so now since computers have been able to generate pseudo random numbers.

So basically you are telling me that studies proved that the market is not moving following a random walk ? ( please give me sources, i believe you but iā€™d like to check it out by myself ).

Ok, but does that imply that the difference between the way market moves and a random walk is exploitable using technical analysis ?

If the difference comes from crash & news, the TA would have 0 efficiency.

More, if it " work " on a random walk too can we really say that it has a sens ?

As MeiHua said this is very old stuff, I believe that the markets are a random walk only for uneducated individuals.

There is a book from well-known quant Andrew Lo, that has proven markets are predictable to some degree.

A Non-Random Walk Down Wall Street

Thanks for the link yunny.

After having done my own calculations, effectively, the market follow trends, IE: if it goes up, it has more probability to keep on going up, and if it goes down, it has more probability to keep going down.

( i just spend 2 hours doing it on open office too with EURUSD data since 2005 lol ).

Well, sorry gentlemen, iā€™m happy to be prouved wrong :slight_smile:

The market does follow trends, but if it is going up it doesnā€™t necessarily mean if itā€™s going up it will continue, itā€™s a contrived market place with moves designed to catch the unknowing out, and without this knowledge it will always seem to have elements of randomness, and can appear to have no logic or explanation whatsoever.

But this is far from the truth, it is very structured and the price in itself tells the story, price patterns that repeat themselves over and over again, and when you understand these patterns what once seemed pretty random becomes the expected!

Iā€™m not interested in proving you wrong, that is down to you, but if you think about it this way, youā€™re looking to be proved right, and on that path what you will look for is things that will indeed prove you right, youā€™re likely to disregard most things that are likely to prove you wrong, itā€™s just like searching for anything on the internet, you will find what you want to find.

So if you are serious about profiting from the markets you need to change your mindset, otherwise you are better off forgetting all about it and moving on to something that you do believe in.

Ahhhh, to bad you changed your mindā€¦ :smiley: Would have been an interesting discussionā€¦:wink:

In the end, its easier to go with the trend, then against itā€¦

Buy dips, sell rallies, it is rocket scienceā€¦

The shorter the Time Frame, the least predictive it getsā€¦

*shrugs

there are fundamental analysis and technical analysis, fundamental analysts even uses technical analysis, so technical analysis is real believe meā€¦ and it is working.

Technical analysis is not real if you dont know how to use it.

you can still say what you had in mind, it would be interesting :slight_smile:

My " calculations " is pretty basic stuff , not as technical as the oxford paper , and could be wrong.

Do you think the market follow a random walk ?

Sometimes I wonder, if there is some pattern that smart money follows in order to know what to do. Some ā€œunwritten codeā€ out there that the forex market follows?

I think that there is not anything random. What we call random ir randomness is only an event that has so many variables that we are unable to calculate the result using all of that variables. So, for me, the market is not random.

Biggest hedge fund managing firms use technical analysis in constructing their auto traders. BMW uses such program to trade in forex and have made more money in it than from selling cars. Go tell BMW that they are dumb and using fantasy model to trade.

BMW trades forex? How do you know this and what are your sources. I find this interesting

You will find all international companies trade in forex (or atleast hedge their own currency) - Itā€™s pretty much what foreign currency exchange is about :stuck_out_tongue:

There most certainly is, but itā€™s not unwritten, youā€™ll find it all over the place, youā€™ll here it referred to as Wyckoff Schematics, Market Maker Profile, and a few other names :wink:

Market Profile