And you too make a good point, on which comes first.
Here’s my philosophical take on it.
Most if not all of us when we start out cannot believe that we can make money by drawing a few lines on a chart and funny coloured little bars.
It goes against all our previous thinking. We are led to believe that markets are a highly intellectual pursuit that only the brightest can make money from.
We believe that we have to follow crop reports, gdp growth data, understand nuance of the latest fed governor speech and know every bit of market news there is.
When we are given a trading system (or buy one ) we simply cannot believe by following it we can make money
In short we don’t trust technical analysis
This is where our problems begin. We start overriding it, we second guess it - or we micro manage the position.
Over time we deviate more and more and it all comes from a lack of trust.
Throw in a belief system of lack of abundance in our life, a few anger issues and a few we are not good enough beliefs and heh presto we have a poor trading mindset.
It can take a long long time to get rid of all this - it takes a complete over haul of your thoughts
Eventually you can come to trust technicals - you see the same set ups making money year in year out even though your never on board
One day you are so used to these funny lines on charts and what happens to price around them that you now have that trust.
But there are still the other beliefs that can mess you up.
Life is nothing but a mirror of your internal believe system and so if you have lack of abundance issues that can still manifest in poor trading habits.
I read alot recently on how markets are scams, brokers are scams, vendors are scams, charts don’t work - and I agree if that is your predominant belief that is what you will be drawn to
Meanwhile the rest of us who have mastered our own internal belief system will be there day in day out making money.