MM vs. ECN

Hi everyone!. I had this conversation with a market maker company’s representative, and this was his explanation on the advantages of a market maker over an ecn broker.

I’d like to know what you guys think of it. Thanks for your time.

  • An ECN matches buyers with sellers.
  • The biggest advantage to the forex market is liquidity.
  • A TRUE ECN will allow you to trade with people within the market.
  • However, in the forex market - that means you only will be able to trade with traders at that specific firm. -
  • What an ECN does is takes away liquidity - which again isthe biggest advantage to trading the forex market.
  • In the simplest of terms - that is the best explanation.

you: And you as market makers do you manipulate prices far beyond the interbank’s

  • We create the market. Market manipulation - that is another misconception in this market.
  • Think of it this way -
  • If a firm manipulated the actual market price in order to fill your stop - Don’t you think that manipulation would fill another trader’s limit?
  • therefore, artificially moving the market would be bad for business.
  • Remember this -
  • Everyone is a market maker in the forex market. - There is no centralized place to go and trade it.
  • With out a market maker - there i no market.
  • The real question should be (to those who say they are not a market maker) Who is creating the market for them?
  • Because without the market being created - you would not be able to trade.

the honest to Gawd differences are often so slight as to be ridiculous, although the ECN “tends” to have lower spreads and your overall trading price tends to be lower.

There is NO liquidity problems with ECN’s so that is a non-issue — a whole lot of peeps trading forex so there is NO shortage of traders to take your trade.

Market makers are (for the most part – there are some snakes !) no great land sharks waiting to devour newbs, though they will gladly take your money if you make a mistake and they provide charting, a decent trading panel and oftimes news and training for which they take a slightly larger spread than the ECN’s, which covers a lot of what they give you.

a psychological aspect of dealing with a “broker” vs. an ECN is that you SEE the charges add up with an ECN (which is spread PLUS commission, although a bit lower than brokers spread prices) while the “charges” are built into the “brokers” spread. Psychologically, its often easier to NOT see the costs than to realize you just spent a few thou on commissions.

HOW you react to this is inside you and may or may not upset you — it upsets me, as i simply look upon the spread as the cost of doing business and over a day, i have NO idea of how much ive given to a broker, and i like it that way (as long as theres profit, of course !)

there is an urban legend about the hunting of stops, and i will have to admit that its probably more true than not — stops usually live in a small range near support and resistance, so its easy to overshoot the support area by just enough to grab available buy or sell stops and certainly a lot of stop losses — all brokers are blamed for this, and i get around it by simply not using stop losses and using buy stops well clear of any “silliness”.

in the final analysis, LIQUIDITY is a non-issue with either for the normal retail trader and the role of the MM or “broker” is just part of the game – ECN’s are probably a bit more honest, as they earn a commission and dont give a hoot as to how much you may make – in fact, the more the merrier, and “brokers” are accused of working against any decent winners which is a partial maybe – but you have to be doing a good deal of winning to get to that point. (in gambling, trading and real estate, no one loves someone who wins all the time — its human and business nature !

so your research is great, but still leaves all the questions hanging free. My thoughts on the matter are simply “it just doesnt matter much”, as things are constantly changing, spreads are more and more competitive and you dont “marry” your broker — in this case, you can go find another without alimony payments, child support or orders of protection !

its a wonderful game — you just gotta be in it to win it !

enjoy and trade well

mp

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Thanks Mp6140! I know there so much more to discuss and it’s only the point of view of a market maker. Many things are just not clear to me, yet. So far I think a ecn is more reliable but I can’t find one with suficient capital to meet NFA requirements or so.

But well, I’ll continue this research until I can have a strong point of view.

REgards!!!

MB is an ECN with low entry fees and a solid reputation built over years — they are presently in beta on the MT4 platform which “may” allow you to hold a long and short in the same currency, which you cannot presently do with them.

simply understand that you will change “brokers” or ECN’s a few times in your trading career and youre NOT married to them at all.

if you must have an ECN (no “really good” reason) than MB or IB are certainly stalwarts out there.

its just not worth the effort to find the “right” one, because it wont be — as youre requirements change, so will your broker — just the way it is !

mp

Thanks so much for your advice Mp6140.

Regards!

I like MB trading, but I think I’m going to switch because of their low Net Capital. Also, their “accounting” feature is no good as it only allows access to the past 30 days of your transaction history. You have to email or call them to get anything back further. Plus their support is lacking. I tried calling them last night for customer support, around 8 pm EST and no one picked up!! The other day I called to fix my login, and as soon as I got on the phone with someone I was put on hold immediately… I was like wtf! Do they only have one person working up in there? haha

anyways, I think it’s best to stick with the best capitalized and regulated so I’m going to have to check out some of the other brokers/market makers.