Moving average data for trading algos

[Haitao]

Think if your Programming You would benefit.

Thanks @A1len Trader

I am studying how to code EAs with mql4 now. Its syntax does not look too different from Java. Some questions popped up - in order to write something that may make a profit, I need to be good at technical analysis (correct?). Any good resources for learning (for coders)? I have downloaded some classical books people recommend, but it will take a while to read through and understand it. Maybe I should get the low hanging fruits that are good enough for a start (for live trading)? Anyone who has similar experience to share? Thank you.

[A1lenTrader]

@Haitao

If your using Platforms like MT4 MT5 etc. your basically looking at the technical stuff so YES good at technical analysis would be advantage.
But people do use the Platforms Only to Execute there Orders into the market they may use other methods for there analysis like Old fashioned paper and pencil, Calculator.

Start Here … https://book.mql4.com/
(more like a subset of C language )
Have you read this also…MQL4 tutorial - Learn mql4 Expert Advisor programming

I think you should Create a system “Idea” that makes more profit than loss first with strict rules Risk/Reward ratio, Minimum loss_ protection… Once you have found that winning system Then do the tedious task of the programming it.

Don’t Make things Too complicated.

Regards.

[Haitao]

I already got my hands dirty with mql4 now. MT4 uses an event driven model that runs your code when an EA starts and then on every tick or at any user defined time interval. It is a great tool. The only thing missing (for me) is the support for learning with a neural network. But I figured out a workaround. Will deal with that after getting access to certain indicators and creating my own indicator. Thanks for getting back to me.

[A1lenTrader]

There are 100’s if not 1000’s of indicators out there
i found this forum to be of use too …> Trading Systems @ Forex Factory

check out some of the indicators on the different threads some maybe useful.

I am very interested in your work Haitao i have thought about coding my own Army of EA’s

I have some programming experience but are concentrating on How the Whole Trading System works And how the banks Institutions move there money about first.
Im only into my 6th Month since i first started trading still a bit to learn.
Then once i am comfortable and have some solid system in place I will start Coding…

Good look keep us updated.

[Pip2morepip]

Hello A1len Trader,

Asides from EA’s there are Quant firms using deep learning to generate massive roi’s.

Last year my friend introduced me to an AI prop trading firm that trade all robots.
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They don’t solicit, so they use crowdfunding and perks to get around regulations.

When I first signed up for the first month I was afraid that I was being scammed, after the 2nd months returns I was at ease. While they try to provide thirty percent per month on a best effort basis, from January to now I have only had 2 months where the roi was under 30.
Their minimum of $5k is a step step to climb, but I just simply went to 4 friends who shared the risks and the profits with me.

Joe

[A1lenTrader]

Hi @Pip2morepip

Asides from EA’s there are Quant firms using deep learning

Could you elaborate on what you mean by deep learning.?
you mean Algorithms…? or like hedge-funds using Algorithms?
Can’t see why you would give your $5000 to them when there’s free EA’s with such roi results?? Anyway
Like i said i can build my own robot eventually but i do not like putting too much trust in a computer so most of my trading would be Me making the decisions and robot deployed at certain times.
Maybe you could post some results as i cannot find the site you mentioned.

[Pip2morepip]

To elaborate more these are AI Neural Networks with Multi Layer Perceptrons, in terms of trade direction, this is handled by a decision forest , rather that the regular approach of decision trees.

Hedge funds and other Quants uses standards adaptable to google tensor flow which is their AI architecture. these guys go an entirely different route.

The problem with EA’s free or paid, is that they are not consistent with results and will wipe out your account. If you understood how brokers manipulate ifeatures like iMA. iRSI, iStoch, you would not be using an EA, ever.

As you mature more and more into the manipulated world of forex, you will find that manual trading was okay a decade or two ago, however it is futile in todays world of sophisticated robots.

The prop system is not mine, one of my friend is a partner, my only involvement with them is as a client for a few days short of a year. I can provide historical results of my earning, but not in this public forum, besides, it is best to deal directly with the guys over at iTrees.

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Joe

[A1lenTrader]

Thanks for the info @Pip2morepip

I may look into this sooner or later i know about google tensor flow etc,
The Computers do seem to have taken over don’t they, and make it more difficult.
No problem though my friend i have a few “ideas” that seem to work for now.

If we have some results to compare against the best performing EA’s would be good.

Regards.

[Pip2morepip]

Indeed we are living in the days of the terminator, I just really hope these robots likes us.
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I have seen them operate 3 robots round robin with twice the results in the photo, however they only trade round robin for partners willing to take the risk.

Joe.

[A1lenTrader]

I think people misunderstand all the different technical terminology and stuff related to mathematical calculations all these: [quote=“Pip2morepip, post:22, topic:123678”]
AI Neural Networks with Multi Layer Perceptions
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at the end of the day they are all using some kind of settings and calculations, parameters if you look at something like the ForexFlexEA it is very similar if not better…?

I too can work within these parameters better than any EA or ALGO trust me .

As for the brokers manipulation well what can we do there’s always gonna be greed but if your not greedy yourself you can prosper.

Fingers Crossed…! he he

[Pip2morepip]

Cool beans,

I wish you luck along your journey.
Joe

[Haitao]

@A1lenTrader
I am doing research in deep learning with Python and TensorFlow. In my after hours, I learn fx trading with an idea to automate it eventually. All wall street firms are pouring money into AI for their business. Some people say in a few years, fx trading will all be done by robots (at big institutions). Even issuing Munibonds is being taken over by software, cutting down on a huge amount of attorney hours during the process…

I started with trying to code my perceptions into a python program before running into some issues, which was why I came here for advice. Then started messing with mql4 after I heard it from you. Mql4 provides an event-driven programming model perfect for the job. But then once you have your patterns defined, you will need a neural network to learn it. A large number of test runs on either historical or live data will give you a pretty good idea if your algo works or not. Before I get anywhere, I already found that without having the ability to study the ticks for trading decisions, you miss too much critical information and are playing the game at a huge disadvantage.

[Haitao]

Read this amazing book, The Singularity Is Near, to understand what the world is facing.

[Martin_K]

@Pip2morepip
hey mate, [quote=“Pip2morepip, post:24, topic:123678”]
Indeed we are living in the days of the terminator,
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indeed we are
and i believe part of you comment JUST GOT TERMINATED… hehe

you could see Jess or pipstradamus doing this… right
they see your comment
they say … I am a cybernetic organism , Babypips Model 101, sent back in time to remove policy violations…
ASTA LA VISTA… BABY

they hit the delete button
and bang , there goes your link

hehe

and then another user comes on… called KYLE REESE
and he’ll be like

COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT YOUR LINK TO LIVE… CMMMOOOOOONNNNN
hehe
we do indeed live in the day of the terminator

[A1lenTrader]

@Haitao

None of the Banks or Institutions Algo’s are Guaranteed that’s why they change them all the time.
I know exactly why and how they are used too.

Can’t really comment on the iFarm iTrees Setup but maybe if more Energy was used actually trading and getting your hands dirty you may make more than you think.

I understand your goal Haitao and i don’t doubt you can program But i think if you put more time into Trading you can learn more than any book and when you have Mastered How to trade Properly you can turn that into some kind of EA.“Algo”, etc…

Do you think you have a good enough Trading system to turn into an EA yet…???

If NO then stop programming and start trading. Learning at least min 10 different Trade setups.you May not need or use 10 But its research.

When you have your Winning system then Do not hesitate to ask if you need help translating it into whatever Language/Code Neural network whatever you want.

Like i said i can Program myself i DO NOT need Signals iFarms or whatever they come up with next I have robots ready for use, and when i’m in my 80’s and wanna put my feet up they will be used,
Until then I am a Trader not a Programmer.

My Neural Network is already in my head Haitao You have little faith in Human vs Robot I’m sure Somebody has already made what you are trying to achieve just keep looking Most of the new Paid EA’s Use this technology also with pattern recognition built in you may be better just getting hold of one then try reverse Engineer it.?

Or just become a Trader 1st, Programmer 2nd, for few months And not the other way round.
Just my Opinion tho.

Regards.

[Martin_K]

I AGREE WITH THIS OPINION and i hold the same opinion

it’s one thing to be a programmer, let’s put trading aside for a second,
let’s say you are writing a program to teach someone how to play guitar (which is something i know a lot about).
fact is… to fully understand it, you first need to know how to play guitar, THEN… yes, you can sink your teeth into
Just like trading.
you need to get a functional and profitable strategy down and then you can codify it and do all that
and yes… i agree, he could also find something and Reverse engineer it of course

totally agree with this answer.

[A1lenTrader]

Exactly,
Learning to become a profitable trader without a robot would be better,
it’s like when i ask my Mrs to do something May as well have done it myself Properly.in the first place.

[Martin_K]

Oh i hear you mate… i bloody hear you hehe

i find that the Mrs can be good for certain things (No… not those things hehe, that’s not what i’m talking about).
i mean… there are certain things that wifes (in my case) and i don’t know in your case (Partner’s i guess) can be useful for and other things they suck at
so yeah. gotta take the good with the bad huh

[Pip2morepip]

Hey Martin_K,

Naw you don’t get to have the last laugh, I do.

When you can replicate these results week after week, then you can laugh, until then I suggest you study up on AI.

LMFAO.
Dude, the attached results terminated you mate
.

Peace out!
PS. I don’t regularly follow these post, I got $$$ to make.

[Martin_K]

Naw you don’t get to have the last laugh, I do.

Ok… have the last laugh
but, WTF are you talking about mate

have the last laugh ON WHAT???

When you can replicate these results week after week, then you can laugh, until then I suggest you study up on AI.

Mate, I’ve been financially free now from forex for a few years ok
i really don’t know what you are trying to prove

When i trade, i do indeed trade successfully Day after Day , Week after Week, Month after Month, and have been doing so for years

Now… if you are doing that as well. GOOD FOR YOU… great, that’s awesome
but, i still have no idea what you are talking about

WANT TO REMIND ME ?

based on your comment

Naw you don’t get to have the last laugh, I do.

it sounds like… something happened (god only knows when) and you took something personally and have held onto it since whenever…
Now… i don’t know what your talking about , but if you could refresh my memory, it’d make things a lot clearer

as for me mate hehe
i really don’t care who has the last laugh
i can’t even remember what you’re talking about, let alone worry about whether you got the last laugh or not

I’m guessing it has SOMETHING TO DO WITH A.I. obviously

I suggest you study up on AI.

LMFAO.
Dude, the attached results terminated you mate

and i’m guessing you enjoy OWNING PEOPLE hehe

like i said mate
I’m financially free
if you’re results are better than mine… GREAT… GOOD FOR YOU
but it doesn’t change the fact TO ME, that i don’t need anymore than what i currently have

All BS aside
Forex , for me, is going very very very well
I’m currently helping a mate trade as well over the next 8 years so he can pay off a $600,000 Mortgage, which after interest will be close to a Million dollars
that’s where i’m at in forex
and i could hope for nothing better, nor do i need more

now. if you are beyond that… THAT’S FINE MATE, Good for you
if you are earning 10x what i am (and THAT’S SAYING A LOT, by the way) good for you

if you are earning it by using an A.I. Great…

but again… i really have no idea where your comment is coming from

so… WANNA FILL ME IN ?