Show us ...why you took the trade you did.....and was it profitable

Lol thank you for taking it on the chin! I do try simply to say what I think, so thank you for taking it in the spirit intended. For me, one mistake that newer traders make (I know that I did, in the early days) is try to compensate for a smaller account by targeting higher percentage returns. If you take this up as a career, then at some point you will be trading an account of $50k, $100k, perhaps more - at that point there’s just no need to get into 12% a day profit or risk. I always tried to trade my account the same way, knowing that the profits would become more meaningful as the account size increased. 5% pcm on a small account is peanuts, but on a $100,000 account, with some compounding it gets amazing pretty quickly. So I always tried to keep my single day ambition in check for that reason, knowing that if I got my method down then the good days would come. When I first started out, a 1% profit was £20, and I found it pretty frustrating - I’d work hard and have a great week and make £60 or £80!! But looking back, I made the right call. Train hard, fight easy, after all…

But if you can be 12% down, keep your head and end just 4% down - well that bodes very well for the future! (Sorry to ramble on again, btw lol.)

Quite agree (well, 99.9999% lol) - I have never traded without a Stop Loss, and I never will. Capital preservation is the key, for me, as it leaves me properly capitalized for when the market is paying nicely and I can take full advantage.

But here’s the 0.0001%: I’d never call a trader stupid for being stopped out at BE. Overcautious, maybe - anyone who held their nerve yesterday could have made money on an AUD/USD Long, this week - but caution to a point is the best policy, most of the time. So I’m sorry you didn’t make money from those two trades, but you were not stupid in my opinion, you just played it safety first.

And I like the Chinese saying, thanks for sharing!!

ST

yes i agree …when managing multiple positions can get in a FRENZY…

but when i say hedging against corrolated pairs…i dont care if the pair is meant to be corrolated…i dont put that much weight on that…
i only care if the other pair is at that moment in time obeying corrolation.
also if you get a big spike…that is eating into yoour position …i just take another larger position that goes in direction of spike…on the same pair…
this is what i call hedging …nothing irrational about it
then if my initial position starts to come good then i can cancel the hedge position as that will be going bad…
and if the market goes in direction of the hedge …then i can cancel my intial positioon and roll with the hedge…either way…

yet i may keep my initial position going…and then take profits on the hedge to cover myself.
until the hedge bigger pips position gets tired and then market is rolling with my initial position…so i start to recover my losses…

it seems complicated but it isnt …you just got to be on it like white on rice.

as long as you are trading with the direction of the trend …there is no such thing as a losing position…
losing your nerve maybe…but not a losing position…
unless you are actually at the end of the trend.

as long as you battle the flanks…

No… got it from “dancing with the price BS” :smiley:

hi yunni1…
hope your keeping well…

Well, one person that I know is a FX trader in the biggest bank in my country and one of the biggest in the region, they have a range of algos to deal with the liquidity problem, banks most of the time are market makers so they can front-run the majority of their clients. While behind all the algos is a human being watching, nowdays they (banks) hardly do any short term trades with human intervention.

algos are use to search for nearby liquidity and disguise huge transactions.

nice to know what is currently going on in the banks…
so it seems the banks use quants to write all their algs…

i dont know much about algorithmic trading…only heard of some packages called monte carlo and black scholes…or something which can be programmed with algs to identify trades.
i remember dealing with some quants who wrote the algs…
they were on 'secret phone numbers in the bank itself…as a good quantitave analyst is like gold dust…
and the banks keep them all ex directory to deter head hunters…which i used to be.

it was real tricky getting through to these guys…

anyway back on track…the news is good for uk and canada today…so its turned price around…
truth is watching the price …i saw it coming but thought it would be a minor adjustment that would get back on track…

lesson learned …on red news days …if your in profit get out an hour or 2 before the news…if your not in profit then still get out.

and is not only about quants, check this: Thomson Reuters adds psych analysis to machine-readable news

wow…now thats getting creative.
.it just shows that…where money is concerned …they will stop at nothing to grab every possible dime …they will do absolutely anything to fulfill their greed and hunger for more cash…

i love these guys…we have much in common.

looks a bit boring out there today…
i want some action…but nothing im prepared to roll with at the moment.
i dont like waiting…but wait i must.

last weeks charts are inconclusive … no proper established trends (how i like to see them anyway in the majors)
im gonna have to look into range trading…because i got to trade.

i would short the usd cad…which is at 1.01741…but i prefer to short from a nice swing high and may short and go straight into a retracement.

anyway happy trading.

right i have just entered usd cad short
ready to do battle…
theory is i should be able to make this trade eventually profitable no matter what happens in the near future…as long as i manage the trade properly …i should come out pips in at the end of the day…
i may have to send in some rescue troops (orders at some stage) but by time i close this trade…should be profitable…
hopefully highly profitable…but market conditions not too hot today for big profits.

entry usd cad short @1.0170
stop loss…(please dont insult me…non required)
4 hour chart.


edt 1…
need to break through support at 1.0153.
if this cant break then we are ranging …and may take a few pips and make pips on range…
yet to be decided.

right trade is over…it was great…key was that i started with good MM, and i had to send in 2 rescue trades …but ended up coming out 10 pips up.

this is how it went
after placing intitial order…the price moved against me quite dramatic when looking at the 5 minute chart.
so when i thought time was ready for the move against me to retrace i put on another short trade at same amount as my initial trade…(see rescue 1)

then price moved against me again close to a strong resistance level…so i went in for the kill…put 5 x initial amount on as a short…therefore only needed price to retrace about 5 pips to make all money back from deal. (see rescue2)

price turned and i pulled out the 2nd rescue troop with decent yet small profit …(see rescue complete)
now i had choice to either leave 2nd trade running …and leave initial trade running also…because although it may look bad on pics …the trade was running at a profit.

as price moved a little more in my favour i pulled out both trades.

results of the trade are

initial scout 1 unit short @ 1.01708…pulled at 1.01856 = - 14.8 pips
rescue 1 1 unit short @ 1.01864 pulled at 1.01867 = 0 pips
rescue 2 5 units short @ 1.01940 pulled at 1.01890 = 5 pips x 5 = + 25 pips

total results of trade = + 10 pips

that was fantastic…i now know there is no such thing as a losing trade…
in hindsight i should have waited and not used rescue 1 until i had analysed where price was gonna turn.
rescue 2 was beautiful…in and out…commando style…short and brutal.

KEY LESSON…dont use a stop loss as it will stop you out and you probably wont have any will to reenter…when if you didnt use it you will eventually become skillful in the art of managing a trade…and come out +++ pips even when the tide moves against you.

KEY LESSON 2. …make sure your MM is correct otherwise you will not be in a position to rescue badly timed trades or worse still wrong trades.

rescue 1


rescue 2


rescue complete


out of trade


now if thats what happens when the tide moves against me…and i mess up an entry…
what do you think will happen when price moves in my favour…
oh my god…i better put my order in for an aston martin…NOW

No trades for me today. Market is so unclear to me. So i’d better choose to stay on the sidelines.

yes g888 …good day to you.

i think its a bit choppy and undecided to day…but i think this pair seems to want to push south …or range …
so either way i should come out of it unscathed…and possibly a little in the money…
its more of a real life exercise in money management (MM) techniques to apply to my trading.
and trade management…if it goes against me …to have conviction to pull it back… and confidence to pull it back.
if it goes my way …to have conviction to add to it and manage it from there.
and also if it goes my way…to implement a good exit strategy.

need more battle experience
long aus/usd x 1 @1.0265

edit
pulled back out of deal at 1.02657…as on second thoughts this aint happening…and could be a bit rangy…
if i carried on with this trade…couldnt really come up with decent reason…so pulled out at break even zero profit and loss.

Was about to ask you why did u choose to take that trade. Cause there’s no pullback and moreover prices seems to be stalled atm and are you still holding USDCAD trade ?

agreed…gs888

i am not necessarilly looking for A plus signal to trade.
so i looked for the most promising major at the moment …and AU was most promising from several timeframes …so i put a small player in…

but when i looked with a more serious mind…i realised there was nothing really there apart from some ranging…
as there is clearly gonna be a big surprise later…as whole world is silent at the moment.

so then i decided …that under these circumstances…i was just trading for the sake of trading…so closed out and squared up…

no im out of the usd cad trade also…i have zero trade on at the moment…
i think i will look into elliot wave…
just the basics of impulse waves etc…as i am struggling and not confident with my judgement on trends…and where we are on the wave…some guys i interact with …use limited basic elliot theory…and they have said that an impulse wave has finished and there will be another one coming…and i have seen it happen…so i think i need to learn a bit about this…plus recently one of them said the impulse wave wasnt over…and i was convinced impulse wave schimpulse wavve …price is going donw and the wave came and finished…they were right again…so it is deffo sometthing im gonna learn the basics of

if you know any good elliot wave threads please let me know.

anyway are you trading at the moment…or still out of the market…
its a bit dangerous right now.
bad time to trade if you want to conserve capital.

and the reason i am trading so much is because…i really want to hone my skills on price action…by the way most of my trades are pittance…very small…best way to learn.

I entered short last night on the AU and like you all said it has done nothing. Reasons for the trade is a nice turtle soup pattern along with the fact we are about the 61.8 retracement. Also despite what everyone says about it being in an up trend the daily clearly shows we are not in an uptrend but just a retracement. Or at least thats my opinion anyway.

Well, I just found this thread which discusses on Elliot wave trading. Personally Elliot waves are so subjective and unclear to me. Couldn’t apply them in the real time cause i get confused with the waves often. Anyway’s it may work for you.

http://forums.babypips.com/newbie-island/34870-trading-elliott-wave-principle.html

I took a short position on GBPUSD today and closed it for 30 pips. Did well, with a small lot as the bias is still unclear to me.
Guess no more trades this week as tomorrow being US holiday and NFP on friday.
PA works like a charm if we don’t have the impulse to trade each and everyday.

hey fantastic to get 30 pips from the GU…by the way…did you scale into the trade or was it just the intitial starting tradeno backup…

if so…
extremeley impressive

hey bob … to be honest …you got a very strong argument there about which way to take the AU…if i had to go any way now … it could well be a retrace on the downward trend.

cheers

On Friday I closed my NZDUSD trade for +170 pips. I’m still long in AUDJPY and short in GBPAUD, having moved the stop loss to 80.94 and 1.5470 respectively (locked profit of 143 pips in AUDJPY and 112 pips in GBPAUD). Actually I have made a little more in AUDJPY (+32 pips) because I closed the position for the weekend and bought again cheaper on Monday morning (I thought it would open lower after such a big move on Friday - actually it opened higher but retraced later). The only trade that tempts me at the moment is a long in EURCAD but I’ll wait until tomorrow to see how it plays out.