Stop Hunting

Hi guys

The forex market is the most leveraged financial market in the world. In equities, standard margin is set at 2:1, which means that a trader must put up at least $50 cash to control $100 worth of stock. In options, the leverage increases to 10:1, with $10 controlling $100. In the futures markets, the leverage factor is increased to 20:1. For example, in a Dow Jones futures e-mini contract, a trader only needs $2,500 to control $50,000 worth of stock. However, none of these markets approaches the intensity of the forex market, where the default leverage at most dealers is set at 100:1 and can rise up to 200:1. That means that a mere $50 can control up to $10,000 worth of currency. Why is this important? First and foremost, the high degree of leverage can make FX either extremely lucrative or extraordinarily dangerous, depending on which side of the trade you are on. In FX, retail traders can literally double their accounts overnight or lose it all in a matter of hours if they employ the full margin at their disposal, although most professional traders limit their leverage to no more than 10:1 and never assume such enormous risk. But regardless of whether they trade on 200:1 leverage or 2:1 leverage, almost everyone in FX trades with stops. In this article, you’ll learn how to use stops to set up the “stop hunting with the big specs” strategy.

Stops are Key

Precisely because the forex market is so leveraged, most market players understand that stops are critical to long-term survival. The notion of “waiting it out”, as some equity investors might do, simply does not exist for most forex traders. Trading without stops in the currency market means that the trader will inevitably face forced liquidation in the form of a margin call. With the exception of a few long-term investors who may trade on a cash basis, a large portion of forex market participants are believed to be speculators, therefore, they simply do not have the luxury of nursing a losing trade for too long because their positions are highly leveraged.

Because of this unusual duality of the FX market (high leverage and almost universal use of stops), stop hunting is a very common practice. Although it may have negative connotations to some readers, stop hunting is a legitimate form of trading. It is nothing more than the art of flushing the losing players out of the market. In forex-speak they are known as weak longs or weak shorts. Much like a strong poker player may take out less capable opponents by raising stakes and “buying the pot”, large speculative players (like investment banks, hedge funds and money center banks) like to gun stops in the hope of generating further directional momentum. In fact, the practice is so common in FX that any trader unaware of these price dynamics will probably suffer unnecessary losses.

Because the human mind naturally seeks order, most stops are clustered around round numbers ending in “00”. For example, if the EUR/USD pair was trading at 1.2470 and rising in value, most stops would reside within one or two points of the 1.2500 price point rather than, say, 1.2517. This fact alone is valuable knowledge, as it clearly indicates that most retail traders should place their stops at less crowded and more unusual locations.

More interesting, however, is the possibility of profit from this unique dynamic of the currency market. The fact that the FX market is so stop driven gives scope to several opportunistic setups for short-term traders. In her book “Day Trading The Currency Market” (2005), Kathy Lien describes one such setup based on fading the “00” level. The approach discussed here is based on the opposite notion of joining the short-term momentum.

Taking Advantage of the Hunt

The “stop hunting with the big specs” is an exceedingly simple setup, requiring nothing more than a price chart and one indicator. Here is the setup in a nutshell: On a one-hour chart, mark lines 15 points of either side of the round number. For example, if the EUR/USD is approaching the 1.2500 figure, the trader would mark off 1.2485 and 1.2515 on the chart. This 30-point area is known as the “trade zone”, much like the 20-yard line on the football field is known as the “redzone”. Both names communicate the same idea - namely that the participants have a high probability of scoring once they enter that area.

The idea behind this setup is straightforward. Once prices approach the round-number level, speculators will try to target the stops clustered in that region. Because FX is a decentralized market, no one knows the exact amount of stops at any particular “00” level, but traders hope that the size is large enough to trigger further liquidation of positions - a cascade of stop orders that will push price farther in that direction than it would move under normal conditions. Therefore, in the case of long setup, if the price in the EUR/USD was climbing toward the 1.2500 level, the trader would go long the pair with two units as soon as it crossed the 1.2485 threshold. The stop on the trade would be 15 points back of the entry because this is a strict momentum trade. If prices do not immediately follow through, chances are the setup failed. The profit target on the first unit would be the amount of initial risk or approximately 1.2500, at which point the trader would move the stop on the second unit to breakeven to lock in profit. The target on the second unit would be two times initial risk or 1.2515, allowing the trader to exit on a momentum burst. Aside from watching these key chart levels, there is only one other rule that a trader must follow in order to optimize the probability of success. Because this setup is basically a derivative of momentum trading, it should be traded only in the direction of the larger trend. There are numerous ways to ascertain direction using technical analysis, but the 200-period simple moving average (SMA) on the hourly charts may be particularly effective in this case. By using a longer term average on the short-term charts, you can stay on the right side of the price action without being subject to near-term whipsaw moves.

Very nice James,

Thank you for sharing that.

I’ve become a more saturated forex sponge than 5 minutes ago lol, but then when you spill so much out, you need to have a regular input to keep knowledge-buff eh ? :slight_smile:

Regards,
E. Lang

I am newbie and lost some money…not a lot though. Then I found the stop hunt grail…and I am so happy…

Now success ratio is 80% and I cant believe it…

Play in the red zone boys…give it a try…:slight_smile:

There is no holy grail, Just a simple way to play with the big boys and beat them…

last 14 hrs:

6 trades, 5 wins, 1 loss…

  • 26.5 Pips…

Not bad for a newbie…

How does a newbie, posting here for the very first time, find [B]a thread that’s almost 4 years old[/B] to reply to?

Since you have resurrected this thread, there is something which needs to be pointed out:

The original post on this thread was plagiarized.
The original poster — james — posted some text [B]as his own work.[/B]

However, his post was copied-and-pasted from an article written by Boris Schlossberg, and published in Investopedia.

I don’t know who owns the copyright to the Schlossberg article, but I’m damned sure that “james” doesn’t own it.

For anyone interested in the original, un-plagiarized, un-abbreviated, un-copied-and-pasted Schlossberg article, here’s a link:

Stop Hunting With The Big Forex Players

I was wondering if James is that guy on investopedia, because I recall seeing that piece about “stop hunting”.

You are right Clint, I posted here because after reading the original article on the web by Boris Schlossberg. I wanted to see if any members have been using this method. So I searched for it and found this old thread.

Has anyone else tried this system on a consistent basis ? so far I am it is working for me.

Cheers…

I’ve used it successfully, as well.

Here’s another old thread (a little less than 18 months old) on the same topic — 301 Moved Permanently

If you read through that thread, you’ll notice that there are members of this forum — some of them successful traders — who, nevertheless, dismiss the whole idea that stop-hunting occurs, or that small retail traders can profit by trading along with the stop-hunters.

I think the difference between that thread and this one has to do with the “who” is doing the stop hunting. That thread focuses on it being the broker who is hunting it’s own customers stops, while this thread is saying it’s the large speculators who are doing it on a global basis…big difference. :wink:

i don’t think brokers stop hunt. well, i’m sure fxopen don’t, never experienced it.

Trust me, some brokers does…

[B]Sweet Pip[/B], read a little further in that thread, and you will come to this — 301 Moved Permanently — where the distinction between stop-hunting by retail brokers versus stop-hunting at the interbank level is discussed.


[B]vosterfxandy[/B] and [B]DynamicTrader72[/B], retail forex brokers who operate as market-makers frequently engage in stop-hunting on a very small scale: by momentarily widening the spreads they offer, they can pick off a few stops here and there.

If you are one of the customers whose trade is stopped out by this tactic, it’s a big deal to you. But, these small thefts, committed by unscrupulous brokers, have absolutely no impact on the broader market. These tiny stop-hunts might be over in a second or two. They almost always go unnoticed, even by their victims. And, to the rest of the market, they are completely undetectable.

Stop-hunting at the interbank level is a different thing altogether. Market-makers at the interbank level have enormous clout compared to your retail forex broker. These interbank market-makers can move the price of a particular pair by 10 or 20 pips, or more, in order to hit a cluster of stops. Such price moves typically take several minutes, and are clearly seen on trading platforms all over the world. In these stop-hunts, spreads are not necessarily widened; rather, Bid and Ask prices are moved in tandem toward the stop cluster, until stops begin to be hit.

Those stops, as they are triggered, then carry the price move further in the same direction. While those triggered stops are extending the price move, the stop-hunters are cashing out.

This is the action that Boris Schlossberg says you can anticipate, and tag along with.

Metatrader has just been exposed in a series of videos, these show how they hunt stops, change orders and generally play dirty tricks with you.

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