Tax question

Hi All.
Could someone please help with the whole Tax implications of trading?
First I understand that any advice given is in no way Legal or binding and I should seek an accountant and or ask the ATO. I just wanted maybe some examples and $ amounts (if people are willing) to share about their experiences when withdrawing from a trading account.

For example:
I have just opened a mini account with 5k in it. I seem to be doing quite well, I am being very cautious and ALLWAYS locking in profit with trailing stops. Still is early days yet.
Say if I wanted to take out 1k that I have made. How does this work? It will go into my account. Will the bank ask where this came from? It could be a gift.

I’m sure than if 250K appeared into my account someone (ATO) would want their cut no doubt and I am very far away from this.
Any insight would be fantastic for this newbie.
Thanks in advance.

What country are you in? Different countries = wildly different tax rules… :smiley:

Sorry, I am in North Queensland Australia

Hi Evad

Much will depend on where your Broker is. If you are using an Aussie broker, you may need to declare your earnings in their account over the tax period, July 1 - June 31. But this you will need to confirm with your accountant, mine’s not here at present, she’s out seeing clients. It may also be untaxable in a similar way as shares, where you do not pay tax until you sell.

If you have an overseas broker and you withdraw funds back to Australia, then it becomes income from investments, similar to capital gain from shares etc and you will have to declare as part of your assessable income.

Some US brokers will require you to submit specific US taxation forms for overseas investors, these all become part of the international taxation agreements so there is no way you can skirt around them.

Just remember, once the ATO knows about it, they will look for it each year, so once you start withdrawing, always withdraw a bit each year and declare it, then you slip under the radar. If for one year you don’t declare, the ATO warning bells start ringing and your accountant may get one of those wonderful audit calls.:eek:

Thanks Dihusky.
I’m with GFT. They appear to be based in Australia as all my correspondence seems to be from OZ address and phone number and such. So hopefully all the USA stuff you said will be non applicable. I will check with then on this also.
I was also thinking that when i redraw on my statement it will or should say a payment from GFT (and just confirmed they are in Sydney)

Interesting that you say once they ATO knows about it they will be checking.
Not trying to endorse fraud but is it likely that one may pull down small amounts without being noticed?
I was originally under the impression that it will be a secondary Tax along side my normal job.
Are there strategies with pulling money out a few times a year and what are they if so? I assume one could pull only enough down to keep them under a certain tax bracket and do this a few times a year for that very reason.

I have opened a account “individually” and understand the benefits in having a business account for Tax purposes.
The bases of my question was to get enough cash to redraw to be able to create a company and get an ABN for this tax benefit and then continue to trade using this account.

Thanks again for the words of wisdom

Any funds transfer will be between financial institutions, your brokers bank and your bank, so everything is recorded and available for audit. yes you might slip under the radar for a while with small amounts, but is it worth it?

If it gets picked up the ATO will do a trace back and you will get fined, taxed, levied unpaid tax penalties etc etc. Certainly you can set up another entity, Company, Trust what ever and this can have advantages when it comes to tax and distribution of dividends to company directors or trust beneficiaries. But and you need to think carefully here, once the entity is set up, you will have to close your accounts and re-open them from scratch with considerable additional documentation, you cannot just change the name of an account.

Company compliance costs more with ASIC compliance each year, company tax submissions and accounting are more expensive and so it goes on.:eek:

If your additional income is substantial, then it can be worth it, but remaining a sole entity in the early stages is probably preferable, if you are deriving an income from your Forex activities, you can still claim a proportion of your Broadband, office space in your home, computer costs, training courses etc, and if an accountant tells you you can’t get another one! You can also claim loses!

The big thing is becoming anal about your records, record everything and don’t keep it in a shoe box under the bed.

Keep in mind, banks have to submit all interest they pay on accounts to the ATO, what else do they submit that we are not aware of? The ATO is worse than ASIO:cool: when it comes to sticking their noses into things, for all I know an ATO officer might even read this!!!:wink:

Unfortunately Forex maybe a money business but it isn’t a cash business, so everything is recorded and trackable. Get used to it and comply with the law and you are not going to get burnt. Sorry mate, you are now playing in the big boys world!

The bank will only bug you when it is 10K or more gong into your account. If you start to consistently make money make sure you set a minimum of 25% aside for taxes. At the end of the year for tax season expect a 1099 form that will detail your profits or losses for the year. Other than that the bank doesn’t care about the money they are happy for your business.

This thread is discussing the tax situation in [B]Australia[/B].

Why are you cluttering the discussion with U.S. tax regulations and forms?

What I’m trying to figure out is why you even bothered to respond to this when obviously I did not see his chime in again with Australia. So the question is who is cluttering.