Decisions as to whether to do anything about climate change and what to do and how much to spend and the like are all political issues. As they’re made by politicians, I’m highly distrustful of these.
However, climate study is a scientific discipline best carried out by scientists. The science, the observations, the conclusions from these are not to be thrown out just because politicians seek to apply the wrong solutions.
The majority view of scientists is that greenhouse gases have caused global warming, and that global warming has increased and accelerated as we increased greenhouse gas emissions. I don’t need unanimity to believe a scientific conclusion, I will happily go with the majority of scientists. Where is your majority?
I Really don’t see anything worth responding to in your post @tommor, clearly you haven’t even bothered to look up my two references, since your response was way too quick for that - so if you’re not prepared to even look at my reasoning, I see no reason to try to educate you any further.
2,700 old people killed in the UK every year by exhorbitant fuel costs - There’s MY Majority !
Global warming is a total hoax and nothing more in my opinion, it’s really not that much of impact and not much we as people can do anyway. Brexit for other case is something real and should be profitable for average working English person, that’s why;)
As you say, that’s your opinion. But the majority scientific opinion is that its not a hoax. My opinion is that I should believe the majority of scientists when it comes to a scientific issue. So how would you get the majority of scientists to reverse their opinions and agree it is a total hoax?
Including the origin and the plain lies which were incorporated in that 97% figure, if I remember correctly, the REAL % was way less than 50 and pretty much ALL of those were having papers or books published as to the disasters it would create ie Every one of them (The sample was very small had a vested financial interest in the “Truth” of it- I also addressed the infamous "Hockey stick " graph so beloved of Al Gore’s film whaich has been proven to have been faked - in line with some of the e-mails from the “Climategate scandal” where it was shown that those "Peer reviewers were saying that it would be convenient if the Medieval warm period and the Little ice age had not existed - and Voila they did not when the IPCC Published it !
THe reality is much as you say
The “science” has got so interwined with Politics that it is frankly impossible to untangle ! and impossible to assess whether there is ANY actual merit in the case at all !
My links above were in similar vain, but when your "Audience " freely admits they did not even bother to follow your links, perhaps they can be said to be “Biased” - Not really much conversation to be had when one of the parties is dancing a jig, with his fingers firmly syuck in both ears and chanting "Nah, Nahna Nah NAAH ! "
However when the exhorbitant fuel costs are directly causing the deaths of 2700 of my countrymen every year - IT IS Time to declare an objection to this PC Rubbish !
WHEN i started this thread I was comparing the huge main stream reporting a few “Global Warmists” were getting as opposed to the rising from nowhere of the New Leading score party in the Brexit stakes ! - so studiously IGNORED by the main stream media
When you can show that the majority of scientists agree with you then I will agree with them. Until then, I disagree with you. Its no good you trying to convince me with science or anything else, I want the scientists to be convinced and then I will agree with their majority. I absolutely promise, if the majority of scientists state that global warming is a hoax, then I will believe its a hoax too.
There was snow on the ground here in Kentucky this morning. Tomorrow, it’s supposed to be in the 70’s (Fahrenheit), that’s convertible/motorcycle weather… I don’t need any scientific evidence to tell me things are changing. This is weird. I’ve lived here my whole life. Whether or not it’s manmade is up for debate, We should be good stewards of this planet on which we live. That’s just common sense. It may not be profitable but it is what it is…
If you mean Tommor and myself by “these two”, you might want to start by getting your facts right.
Nothing you have said in this, or any other thread, would cause me to sulk. I find the majority of your posts humorous, even though that is not your intention, although it is somewhat concerning that people still believe the sort of nonsense you spout.
Like the anti-vaxxers, you cherry-pick articles which seem to agree with your ridiculous viewpoint.
Continue ignoring the truth, Failstaff, let the rising tides swirl around your feet like a modern-day King Canute, although in fairness to Canute he could have been demonstrating his humility, something I believe you may be incapable of.
The real global warming risk is thermonuclear warming. While politicians push global warming so they can invent new taxes, real problems and risks in our world are pushed to the side.
Now when I started this thread, it was in observation that the pointless “Global warming” protests were getting way more media coverage than the Brexit issue, which I regard as vital for the wellbeing of my country.
I thought at that time they were competing issues.
Now it seems that it is quite likely that there is a causal relationship between these ridiculous “Accords” which a few of us take to heart and the rest of the world just signs with fingers crossed behind their backs.
Here is a short take from a guy in Canada which rightly links “Yellow vests” and issues in his own country to taxation due to Global warming zealot pressures, this being causal in these cases.
I’m not sure it is “causal” regarding Brexit although anyone in the uk on “Pension Credit” (and many who receive slightly more) is in severe danger of becoming one of the 2700 who are killed every year by exhorbitant energy prices.
I have to say I thank Houndog for his video which I commend for your perusal !
It is also quite informative for those who seem to believe that our future should lie within the bloc which is currently the EU - Inflation, depression, national bancruptcy and abject poverty within many of it’s constituent nations - those who “trusted the dream” ! - (I cannot put a “Rofl” face here - as I am tempted to do - it’s just too sad ! )
but these are not quite in the same school as those dreadful “Educators” who are scaring our children to death and creating a generation of panic stricken idiots out of kids who should just be starting to think about music, girls (or boys - depending ) and how they are going to progress in the world themselves. At an age where they should be just “Having fun” - History will shake it’s head in disbelief
The information to be gleaned from this discussion makes the acceptance of “Guilt” by the West and demands for “Curing it” by freezing our old people to death - rather stupid - IF indeed you CAN get any more stupid than " demands for “Curing it” by freezing our old people to death"
