hi again,
you are not understanding that if cd does not equal atleast ab then it cannot be a gartley.
when you say you favor the ratio’s over the ab=cd pattern im guessing you are reffering to something along the lines of this:
but look CAREFULLY.
the distance between a and b, is exactly the same as the distance between c and d. measure if you don’t believe me. now look at your EURUSD gartley and you will note that the distance between your c and d is LESS than the distance between your a and b. this cannot happen. the distance between your c and d MUST be atleast equal to the distance between your a and b, it can never be less.
this is the correct EURUSD gartley
note that my ab is equal in length to my cd projection. you can see this clearly the 100% lines up to the 61.8% of xa when i place it on c,
you can also see that the 88.6% of xa also lines up somewhat with the 161.8% projection of ab and this another possible price turning point.
remember at is core. all a gartley is just an ab=cd on an axis. cd can either be 100% [in which case it is ab=cd, or cd can be a 127.2%/161.8% or 261.8% extension of ab]
in truth, you might be better for now sticking with the more traditional gartleys [like you were trying to do until you get a bit more experience as a VALID gartley with a D on the 78.6% is less likely to fail than a valid gartley with a D on the 61.8% and definately alot less likely to fail than a valid gartley with a D on the 38.2%
just be mindful to make sure your traditional gartleys are infact valid and with your cd being atleast equal in lenght to ab the gartley is not valid.
as for how successful these patterns are for me, i began learning this way of trading in tmoneybags 30 pips a day thread last year, i was a newbie and a couple of months before using indicators doubled my account but the week after lost all my profits and also about 25% of my original money. tmoneybags thread is like 900 odd pages long and contains alot of info on gartleys. i was still relatively new to forex and initially i was unable to achieve the same results as tmoneybags so i grew frustrated and stopped trading them. i system hopped alot and eventually as you grow in experience you just realize the vast majority of systems are fundamentally flawed in one way or another and that most people using the system are failing [in the long term or barely scraping by] and even the author of the system is not really earning that big and is not showing screenshots of winning track record or myfxbook when asked. the only system i had studied where the author was continuously earning big month after month and had screenshots and myfxbook to back up his claims was tmoneybags. so earlier this year [my account at this point was reduced to around 25% of the original deposit] i went back to the thread and re-read it and re-read and re-read it excessively …all the time making changes to how i was originally trading gartleys before …trying to trade as close as possible to how he trades them. i managed to strike a balance between how he trades them and i trade them …and if im completely honest i am not really sure of my results because i was experimenting with multiple other trading techniques at the same time and remained at break even. all i can honestly tell you is that for this month [march 2014] i am officially down about 0.4% but with a winning 12% trade still open. meaning that if i closed it right now or on sunday/monday i’d likely be up around 11.6% this month/year. but that 12% trade i have open is not a gartley trade, it is a gann trade. but gann is also harmonics. i have only started using gann recently [in the last month], but judging by the results i plan to keep with it
but all in all, i am pretty much sure that cd must equal in length atleast ab in gartleys. but if you are still unsure [which you are perfectly entitled to be] i suggest you ask someone like tmoneybags who has a proven sustained record with gartleys.
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