Urgent help with Osprey/New orders

Hi guys,

I have been trading forex for a few weeks quite well, got a $30 account up to almost $200

But lately, when I was trading gold and btc my entries would just exit and I cant see a reason. They didnt hit stop loss.

They were currently trading the opposite direction to what I wanted but ive done that before and let it range back up again into profit.

I lost most of my account now because of this :frowning:

I put in a BTC trade this morning and it went like $200 - $300 below my entry and then just exited, it would be 2% in profit now if it didnt exit…

Could it be related to leverage/liquidation? My balance got smaller and smaller with less margin too.

Bitcoin and gold are hard to trade. Leave them to the professional gamblers and the get-rich-quick lads.

Likely your broker liquidated the position due to insufficient margin available in your online account.

With larger traders and especially before the days of online a broker would ring (US speak ‘call’) his client and tell him ‘your open position is going against you so much so that we need some more funds to cover possible losses’

That is known as a ‘margin call’ - if the client didn’t make more funds available then the broker would close out.

Online is the same thing - the greater the account balance then the more ‘margin’ funds that are available to cover losses.

I see, thank you very much.

Wish I knew that yesterday lol but this is extremely helpful info.

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No problem - one other thing going forward - how to minimize margin calls.

Three ways - first one is easiest for big pockets - lodge a sizable balance with the broker and trade smaller.

But as a retail learner we have an advantage - we don’t need a large account to learn, so second way is stick to less volatile instruments - test those on a demo to get a sense of margin - sure much more boring with small wins but that’s the key to success - KISS

Third way is the broker - less scrupulous will widen the spread at less liquid times (say maybe a holiday or perhaps weekend/nighttime etc) - when they widen the spread then a small profit or breakeven position will hit margin call territory and you’re out.

(Btw you will encounter KISS as ‘keep it simple’ - for us learners it’s ‘keep it small’ :slight_smile:


I prefer to think that bitcoin is a scam

I personally believe that gold and bitcoin are hard to trade. You can start with other securities that are easier than these.

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I know that there are many new traders who think that forex trading is an easy way of making money. But they are the ones who often end up losing in the market. I agree that there can be ups and downs, but you can’t achieve your goals if you are not putting your efforts in the right direction.

Looks like Fubar’s broker ringed him without calling :nauseated_face:

Aye - the one thing I often think about what learner traders could learn first - how a margin call is enacted in the modern tech world.

In the old days there was the telephone call (ring) and you had x time to get money to the broker - now it’s one strike and you are out.