What Every New & Or Aspiring Forex Trader... Still Wants To Know

On the first day of Christmas, I.C.T. gave to me, an optimal trade entry!
On the second day of Christmas, I.C.T. gave to me, two tight stops, and an optimal trade entry!
On the third day of Christmas, I.C.T. gave to me, three kill zones, two tight stops and an optimal trade entry!
On the fourth day of Christmas, I.C.T. gave to me, four pivot points, three kill zones, two tight stops, and an optimal trade entry!
On the fifth day of Christmas, I.C.T. gave to me…

FIIIIIIIVE HUNNNNDRED PIIIIIIIPS!

Four pivot points!
Three kill zones!
Two tight stops!
And an optimal trade entryyyyyyy!

I need to come up with twenty more of these???

Clint that is great work on the time zone changes.

For those of you who still don’t have the proper time zone setup please visit this link to forexfactory. They created a page called markets which has interesting information. The main point of interest here is the sessions box. Forex is able to determine your local time via IP and PC clock and provide you with the current time and how it relates to the sessions.

Sessions

That was actually very funny!!! :35:

Very clever lol

:18: lol yeah this is great my wife got a kick out of this one too

Wait… there’s [B]more[/B]??

I feel like I’m on the receiving end of ICT’s “Operation Shock & Awe”

Are you surprised that there really isn’t anyone sounding off on here, saying “Hey guys, I’m getting rich doing this” or do you still think we need some time? :slight_smile:

I’ve seen some great trades/results on this thread, but unless anyone wants to speak up, nobody’s yet “career-worthy” in terms of consistency on a live account.

As for me, I’m currently working on some previously ignored “emotional components” to my trading, but hope to put my name at the top of that career-worthy list within the next year here :wink:

Look forward to the Holidays and of course 2012!

Feeling pretty sick here following one of my quarterly breakdowns.

Nicely disciplined and ICTing for several weeks put me 20% up on my starting equity (ready for my excuses?). My boy was on half term (1 week holiday) and I was looking after him with very limited opportunity for trade or analysis. I had Thursday afternoon (London time) to trade, so clearly I HAD to trade. I had several supply levels noted as the freight train took off (mixed metaphor, I don’t even care :30:) I shorted and shorted again. No ICT principles just mad button pressing. There is a theory in poker called “The Threshold of Pain” iirc where you no longer feel the pain of your losses an go numb. This was me and I drewdown all my gains plus 5%, so for a couple of months work my equity is at negitive 5%. Gutted.

Last time I did this I was trading gold counter trend on the biggest 2 day drop in history, great timing eh? But of course when I ask why don’t these total break downs in discipline happen when I’m trading in the right direction? Answer, they probably do, but when I’ve banked 3-5% I’m satisfied and stop, so my discipline fails have a way bigger downside than potential upside, but I think we all knew that anyway.

I have absolute confidence in ICTs tools, but as another thread has asked my confidence in myself is rock bottom atm. I am someone who kind of thrives on dealing with adversity when I have to and I now wonder if I engineer adversity because I can’t stand the status quo for long.

I’m not sure if there is a lesson for anyone here, more sort of my confession (absolution can be deposited in my account :wink: ) I’ll bounce back but so angry with myself atm.

I feel I’ve let ICT and my fellow regulars down somewhat, as I was well on target to double my account by Christmas purely trading ICTs methods and this would have been great validation from a very average trader. Although clearly not ICTs teachings fault (the exact opposite) 95% of the time I enter a trade it’s with Michaels methodology but boy that other 5% can hurt :17:

Jaroon - you have ed zacharey what I have - it’s shoot yourself in the foot syndrome.

I think I may have a temp solution for u but it ain’t ez -
step 1 recognize when it’s happening (i think you may already be able to do this)
step 2 - take the high road.
step 2 can be anything - but I find most useful - close up shop - and get the heck away - physically remove your person from the premisis and your impending shot to the foot - if your not there you can’t do shoot.

Hey Jaroon, I’ve been crushed by similar freight trains, approximately 10 times in my 4 years of live trading. The losses generally run in the 5-10% range for a single day. My worst record is with GBP/JPY, I remember shorting that pair all the way up the ladder on 300pip range days. Yes I know what it feels like to want to throw up from price action, and yes I know what it feels like to legitimately hate yourself for being so wrong. What really hurts is when you think “why didn’t I see that this was an up day? I could’ve made 10% instead of losing 10%, it was so obvious”

Anyways, I feel that you can learn from your misstep here…but honestly don’t be surprised if you don’t. I thought I learned it after 5 times, and then history shows I ended up doing it 5 more! DOH!

You might feel like you can solve the problem with extra vigorous analysis, but the truth is you will find yourself on the other side of that freight train sometime in the future, and I think having a specific risk management strategy for that situation will prove very useful to you. I can’t say what, because it is related to your own psychology, but something like “Drop risk down to 0.5% after 2 losses in a London Open session” can really save your bacon on days like this.

Also, perhaps have a picture of ICT’s “Buy day market profile” (or sell day) can help you identify when you are currently being crushed by a high probability freight train.

and one more bonus…

Don’t know if you’ve ever stopped by forexlive.com, but there is a commentator named Jamie Coleman, and he doled out this Gem, thursday morning (mid-way through the freight train’s 290 pips run):
Here’s a clue. The market is not buying because they want them. It’s buying because it needs them. That’s when markets become irrational. Don’t get caught.

I found that thought exceptionally useful, because my rationale for shorting these type of buy days was always “I can’t imagine that anyone would be buying it, it looks like a ridiculously risky bet!” But if you understand that this is institutions covering bad short positions, and they are panicking in a way, it makes more sense to stay out of the way, no? :wink:

Cheers, you’ll be back on your feet Monday morning :slight_smile:

ICT gave good advice when he said that when we get stopped out, perhaps try once more … then STOP trading that day. He also gave us an exercise to trade only once per day (win or lose) some time ago. Now if we combine that with his advice on risk management (even at max 2.5), then there is no way to blow your account (or a huge portion of gains) in a day or two.

However we have all done this and become so emotional that we are blinded so much we simply don’t see our account balance … until there is very little left. Strangely you then doubt your ability to trade as well.

Don’t give up just go back to basics. Personally my best weeks have been trading three times that week max.

Infinate Freedom and Self Imposed Limitations - Why lasting market success is so difficult for most.

You should be better than this. You know how to trade. You should be better than this…
You have a method or system with an edge. It provides a profit over the long run.
You have seen some real growth and meaningful success in your trading. It IS something you know how to do.
You can do it well enough to make money on a regular basis.
You manage your trades well enough, and you risk very little of your account on a per trade basis.

So why are you not driving a ferrari? why are you not trading full time?

Because the market, quite possibly, provides us with a challenge that human beings are ill equipped to handle:

[B]Near Infinate freedom[/B]

It is possibly the only place where we can think, decide, and act in any way we desire… and promises us near limitless wealth to do just that.

Almost everywhere else in life, there are authorities outside of ourselves that we are conditioned to respect and follow.
show up late for work - boss is angry
show up late for dinner - wife/family is angry
drive a car too fast - get a speeding ticket
drive a car too slow - get yelled at/cause an accident
eat too much - get sick
eat too little - get sick
mouth off at someone when angry - risk an argument, a fist fight, or worse
express every thought we have as we have them - become a social pariah, a lewd, crude individual that others stay far from

heck, even the uninhibited pleasure mecca of vegas has rules to each game, table limits to bet, and social pressure of others reactions around you, not to mention casino authorities and the law should you push anything further than they will tolerate.

In almost every component of our lives, from the day we are born, to the day we die, to the countless social interactions we have… there are hard, fast rules that govern each of these.

Fall out of line, and someone else will punish us. Either through scorn, anger, hurt feelings, time in court, time in jail, time in the hospital…etc.

In the market… none of these restrictions exist.

Lose a trade - no one knows…no one cares. no one tells you right or wrong, yes or no, good or bad. no one else is even aware that you exist. hold it for as long or as short a time as you want. bet as much as you have in your account, or as little. re-enter it a million times, or never enter at all. go long, go short… anytime, all the time, forever, or never.

Other than the single restriction of a margin call, the market provides infinate freedom. Which requires true, profound and sincere self discipline.

It requires a discipline unlike any other that humans have had to channel throughout our existence.

not too offend or sound elitist, but it is possibly the only place that gives us the power to decide our actions without restrictions as if we were some sort of gods.

And humans make for piss poor gods.

The only way around this is to have some sort of self imposed limits.

A maximum daily loss, either in terms of actual dollars, or percentage

A maximum weekly loss, either in terms of actual dollars, or percentage

a maximum amount of trades taken per day/week/month

a maximum amount of losing trades per day/week/month

I personally have some of these as my own safeguards. They keep my losers small, and quickly recoverable.

For infinate freedom that offers unimaginable wealth is a sirens call too strong for nearly all of us, if we choose not to self regulate our actions.

We, as a race, need rules and structure to exist in a state of positive growth, cooperative interaction, and success.

The market as an entity, is completly devoid of rules and structure.

Then we, as successful traders, need to create our own boundaries, need to be our own policemen, need to be our own jailor if we fall out of line.

For lasting market success…some sort of self imposed restrictions on losses, risk amounts, and or trades per day/week/etc are not just a good idea, the are THE ONLY idea that will matter in the end.

Because we are not gods. we are not perfect, we will have losing trades, mismanaged trades, unexpected market events that make little (if any sense) and we will respond emotionally when this happens.

So who will limit our actions when we start to step out of line?

[B]We will[/B]. [I]Or we will never truely succeed. period. [/I]

[U]The market is a giant syphon that takes money from the accounts of those who lack their own self imposed restrictions,
and deposits it in the accounts of those who create and heed their own self imposed restrictions.[/U]

It’s as simple as that. The ultimate freedom requires the ultimate responsibility. Without it, we are not free, but simply prisoners of our own emotions.

Jay

This is great advice, and I want to run with it, for Jaroon’s sake.

If you CAN, stopping for the day is ideal. In an emotional situation like being down 2-4% on a day, after being wrong [B]twice[/B] in a row, it can be hard to admit defeat and leave the charts. Having a third opportunity, even if you know it’s just to sooth your ego, can still save you from these horrendous 5-20% loss days if you keep the Risk VERY LOW. Even 0.5% would be maximum, and if you are really feeling hot-headed, maybe even drop down to 0.2% . With the risk lowered, you might get a chance to [B]breathe[/B] and actually see a scalp in-step with the daily flows, and earn back a small chunk of your loss.

It will feel great (from experience) just knowing you had the discipline to scale back your risk in a dangerous situation. And if you end up losing the 0.5%, you will probably have calmed down enough to realize that you are just wasting your Time and Money getting in the way of the freight train and there really isn’t much hope of making a profit on the day. Unless of course you got the emotional energy to get in step with some NYO/LC traffic, then perhaps that is your return to objectivity. But if you’re like me you probably will need a full day in order to regain that emotional coolness! haha

It’s hell of a feeling to be in the right place at the wrong time. Well, I guess there’s a reason why ICT recorded videos. To ask for any more would just be greedy. Thank you Michael, I hope you have a very fruitful and fulfilling life.

Must feel like graduation all over again to the people who have mastered ICT’s methods :13: .

It’s a never ending journey…
Been here for the whole ride… But it was totally worth it. :slight_smile: My learning curve increased exponentially as a result. :slight_smile:

I don’t think ICT is going anywhere, nor are his students. I think it’s a great time to learn how to trade lol

Well I shouldn’t put words in their mouth, but I can’t imagine ICT starting his million dollar challenge and then just disappearing once the ball gets rolling :smiley:

I didn’t say anything about leaving or that we are in any way complete with the knowledge I wish to share. I simply will have completed the original intent for this thread and will close this chapter and begin a even more dynamic chapter with Babypips… this is just the beginning.

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Hey Michael,

Cant even imagine what else you have for us! The knowledge you’ve so generously shared with us thus far worth more than ton of gold! Is there more?! Wow!
Myself, as the others, simply cant wait for your Christmas present and for the Next Chapter!
Your Teachings are the best piece of knowledge I’ve ever found on the World Wide Web, Ever!
Thank you for you endless Patience and Generosity Michael!

[video=youtube_share;MnyHq9ahMNs]http://youtu.be/MnyHq9ahMNs[/video]

Wow! ‘‘Terminate Average Joe’’! what this would be about?.. I simply can not wait! :slight_smile:

Great results Michael! Looking forward to the next video on monday.

OK, that is it I’m not watching anymore of ICT’s future video’s until I go through the current ones and learn as much as I can. I hate you ICT…j/k…this anticipation of what there is to come is killing me and definitely keeps throwing me off track of studying what you current have on this thread.

You really know how to mess with a noob’s mind in this trading world…lol

Now back to trading what you current are offering and staying focused and on track to catch up with everything.

Anyways, ICT keep up the good work but PLEASE stop teasing me…My finger nails are all bloody from me chewing on them in anticipationg, not to mention all the lack of sleep I have been going through lately…lol

I guess this is just an issue I have to deal with on a personal level.

GLGT