What's wrong with my math? Seems too good to be true

Let’s assume I start out with $5000 - leveraged at 30:1 - gives me $150,000

Trading lot’s of $10,000

Say I want to protect myself from a 1000pip move, so I keep $500 aside as a 10% margin.

So, I have $135,000 to trade with, which gives me the ability to buy 13 lots.

Let’s say I aim for 10 pips per day (doesn’t matter if that’s realistic or not…just hear me out).

After one year (5 days/week, 4.35 weeks/month, 12 months/year) my $5000 is now $22,902.75 - That’s a 340% ROI!

Can this be? - I’m soo confused! - Please someone share some light - something has to be wrong with my math!

If you start out with $5,000, you can’t trade 13 standard lots. You could possibly trade up to 50 mini lots with 100 to 1 margin. A 10 pip gain would gross you $500 or a 10% return.

Can I not get 13 mini lots?

So, here it is - If I can get 13 mini lot’s - 10 pips per day:

1 Mini Lot x (10pips - 3.5pips commission) x 5 days/week x 4.35weeks/month x 12months per year

10,000 x (0.001-0.00035) x 5 x 4.35 x 12 = 1696 / mini lot per year

$1696 x 13 lots = $22048/per year

Where am I going wrong?

I know a standard lot is 100,000 so I believe you could buy 13 mini lots of 10,000

Your math is right

If you want to risk only 2% you would have to use a 8 pip stop loss. which i think is very small considering that is before the spread, aka 3 pip spread 5 pip SL.

Your math seems good enough. Instead of using it to calculate your chickens before they hatch, you might turn its power to calculating what sorts of Draw-Downs a system that produces 350% yearly growth is likely to experience.

You’ve made one math mistake.

But, your math mistake is NOTHING compared to the money management mistakes in your scenario!


Let’s look at the math mistake first.

You said that you could protect yourself from a 1000-pip move against you, by setting aside a reserve (you called it margin)
of $500.

The actual situation is this: a price move of 285 pips would result in a margin call, which essentially means that your broker would close all of your positions, book your losses, and leave you with $1,300 of your original $5,000.

Here’s why: When you trade 13 mini-lots, you are establishing a $130,000 currency position. As soon as you open this position, your broker sets aside 1% of your position-size as margin (assuming your broker allows you a maximum of 100:1 leverage,
which is the case with most brokers).

One percent of your $130,000 position is $1,300 margin. For the duration of this trade, this margin amount is not available to cover losses. That leaves $3,700 of your account available to cover losses.

A loss of slightly less than 285 pips per mini-lot x 13 mini-lots = $3,700 loss, at which point your broker closes your entire position. Your account balance is now $1,300 (in other words, your margin has been returned to you).


Let’s get real now, and consider real-world money management.

You haven’t revealed the whiz-bang trading system that can produce these 6.5-pip gains every day, day after day, for 260 days
in a row, without a game-ending string of losses.

The two metrics most commonly used to evaluate a trading system are: the WIN RATIO and the REWARD/RISK RATIO. If you tell us the win ratio and the reward/risk ratio of your system, a simple mathematical formula can tell you:

[B] the probability of a string of losses resulting in the complete wipe-out of your account[/B]
Write back with those two metrics, and we’ll crunch the numbers.

Clint

clint once again provides a great answer :stuck_out_tongue:

Wouldn’t expectancy be the metric that is applied to all systems?

Only if your psychology can withstand any amount of drawdown without affecting your trading. That is unlikely.

Imagine for yourself the mental strength you’d need to keep trading the same way when your account has shrunk from 5000$ to 2000$. Most would panic and stop trading the system or worse turn to revenge trading to “get back” what the market has “stolen” from them.

The drawdown needs to be within your comfort zone, otherwise it will adversely affect your trading.