2012 - Mayan Calendar - Prophecy - New World Order - Global Economic Collapse

[Pipowski]

scheduled later this very year.

what top list of things would you snatch and roll with?

big <snips> but... I studied your fibs vid yesterday and I liked the "fingerprint of god" idea for the fractals. I thought of what I see as using your approach for newcomers to forex as the way for newcomers to disaster preparedness to approach preparing for disaster. Fractally, of course...

Do you have much in the way of preparation already in place? Survival starts with the utmost necessity and works it's way (fractally) upward to more general needs. I have water purification tablets and freeze-dried foods easily accessible. Certain disasters require certain responses and not that many require "bugging out". You have a forex trading survival plan and I think disaster preparedness requires the same type of thoughtful planning. But I also stopped watching Fox news cuz they're just making money scaring people (imho)

Interesting question.

[akeakamai]

Global Economic Collapse - My thoughts

I assume I will experience some level of deterioration in my quality of life. But since perceived quality of life is largely relative to those around you, I might actually experience a relative increase in quality of life. People who are much better off than me will experience much greater feelings of loss than I, having no real wealth to lose in the first place.

In reality, I would see the most benefit from a total collapse, over a partial collapse. A partial collapse might still give the rich an edge, but a total collapse would put everyone on roughly equal ground (excluding the survival gurus).

But of course, the rich don't want the poor to know that they would actually benefit from a collapse of the economy. That could be disastrous

[longechoes]

I'd have to take a map and a tin opener. Plus a blanket and a packet of matches.

[Pipowski]

Actually, I'm probably not going anywhere... I live in a big city and if everybody bugs out, I'll have the place to myself.

Get a little peace and quiet for a change.

[Clint]

Okay, I'm going to make some enemies today. (But, why should today be any different?)

If you plan on hunkering down in place, rather than packing up and running, you need to be able to defend your turf. That means guns and ammo. I strongly believe that every household should have one firearm, together with a supply of ammunition, for each adult member. Teenagers who have been well-trained in firearms can be counted as adults, in this context.

A month's supply of food and water for each member of the household will get your family through a short-term crisis. But, for a long-term crisis, you will need some "real" money, and some things to barter.

Real money means gold and silver coins --- and they should be SMALL denomination coins: 1/10 ounce and 1/4 ounce gold coins, and 90% silver U.S. dimes, quarters and half-dollars. But, this stash of coins should be hoarded, and "spent" only when barter fails, or is impractical.

The most valuable barter goods will be food, water, guns and ammunition.

For most of us who are not farmers, it just isn't possible to lay in a stockpile of food sufficient to sustain our families for 30 days, and in addition provide a store-of-wealth for barter purposes. But, barring actual famine conditions, food will be available for barter, IF you have something of significant value to trade for it.

Water is essential for life. Having a continuous source of clean drinking water could be your most valuable barter commodity. A pond or spring would be difficult to defend: in a total breakdown of society, people wouldn't barter for your pond water; they would just steal it. A well would be better, IF you could reach the water with a bucket, or if you had a way to power a pump. A manually-powered generator, driving a submersible pump, could generate substantial barter-wealth --- but, providing yourself with such a set-up would require a lot of advance preparation.

Guns are not practical for small barter transactions. Imagine trying to acquire 100 guns prior to the collapse of civilization, without bringing the government down on yourself. Then, imagine trying to use a $500 gun to barter for $20 worth of food. You can't barter half a gun, or a tenth of a gun.

Ammunition is the answer. Under conditions of social collapse, the capacity for self-defense will be as important as food and water. Those who own guns prior to the collapse will have a tremendous advantage over those who do not, provided they have sufficient ammunition.

Many people will discover too late that they do not have an adequate stockpile of ammunition. Normal commercial channels of supply of both guns and ammunition will have been shut down by the government, long before total collapse has occured.

This is where you step in with your supply of ammunition, to meet the inevitable demand. Give careful thought to how you would operate a barter-business in ammunition strictly as a BLACK MARKET operation. You might want to consider doing business through a small network of trusted "dealers", who would trade a negotiated quantity of your ammunition for barter-goods which you have agreed to "buy". These transactions would take place in secret, away from your premises.

Ammunition can be bartered in any quantity from 1 round, up to your entire stockpile. The most widely used types of ammunition in the U.S. are .22 LR, 9mm, .38 cal, 12 ga, and 20 ga. A reasonable stockpile, for barter purposes, would be equal dollar-amounts (at today's prices) of these 5 ammo types, in addition to the ammo you have set aside for your family's protection.

If you purchase $500-worth of each ammo type, the entire stockpile can be stored in a box the size of a footlocker. However, unlike your gold and silver coins, this cache of ammunition is not something you can easily pick up and run with. This is for hunkering in place, and waiting for the war to subside.

Revolution is coming. Arm yourselves.

[d-pip]

Clint,

Keep it simple…

one gun one bullet.....

......problem solved

[InnerCircleTrader]

At the risk of sounding fruity... I assure you I am very centered. Having long been a firearm fan... I am loaded for bear... and nothing concerns me. I have food, water and 3 seperate locations with the same. I am not a fearmonger nor am I an extremist... however, I do believe in being prepared. I could sustain 20 people for two years and meds and clothing... at each location. One I can get to by water... Another by a short distance from where I reside and one that would require a short flight in a small plane or jet. I and my family have bug out bags with individual needs packed inside and I have one with specialty items I won't disclose or bore you all with.

I have ammo like a fortress and 5 types. Mostly 9mm for my sons and .22 cal for my wife but I will be stocked up for a long time with .50 caliber... Barrett for each of my sons and a carbine and side arm to boot for each as well. Ak47's and AR15's dozens of them and a few other toys I can't mention. Barring a nuke... I'm ready... bring it. lol

big <snips> but... Certain disasters require certain responses and not that many require "bugging out". You have a forex trading survival plan and I think disaster preparedness requires the same type of thoughtful planning. But I also stopped watching Fox news cuz they're just making money scaring people (imho)

Interesting question.

[bobmaninc]

Me to I love firearms so I tend to have quite a few. Ammo is always something to have a stock of. If it were to come time to need it you will not want to be buying it then as it will be expensive. Along with stocking firearms it is more important to know how to use them. Time at the range and the weapons course to carry is highly recommended

[Pipowski]

From President Dwight D. Eisehower's "Cross of Iron" Speech - 1953

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms in not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

"And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:34-36

Peace,

Mike

[Clint]

Nobody here is advocating militarism, or condoning the "military/industrial complex" that Eisenhower spoke against.

Self-defense is something entirely different. Self-defense is not immoral.

There is an appropriate time for arming oneself.



Since you chose to quote from Luke, let me quote this to you --- from Luke:

35 - And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, sack, and sandals, did you lack anything?"

So they said, "Nothing."

36 - Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack;

and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.....

38 -Then they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords."

And He said to them, "It is enough."

Luke 22: 35-36, 38.