A few questions about the trading lifestyle

Hello everyone. First, I just want to say that this site is a great resource for beginners. I had no idea that such a market existed until a friend referred me to here, and in the last three days I have been pouring over the content here, opening demo accounts and deciding what I want to do. Thanks for creating this resource - if its goal is to take someone completely new to Forex and give them direction then it certainly accomplished that and more.

But I have questions and uncertainty about what I can get from this. First, a little about me:

I live in the Pacific Northewest (PST/-8GMT). I turn 18 next month, and have plans to move out on or around then. For the last five years I have been dedicated to programming. I started out with the interest of being a game developer with C++/DX but later found myself hired as a PHP developer and moved over into web technologies. For the last 6 months I’ve been working fulltime as a web developer (my second web development job) and make enough income to be self-sufficient on my own - which is certainly a goal in my life. However, the town I live in is small and filled with many older retired people and as such the cost of living is uncomfortably close to what a web developer here makes (despite us being the primary developer of websites for towns, chamber of commerces and companies in or around our city).

So I make enough to live and eat and a little extra - but I’m not rolling in dough and I’m certainly not a doctor or lawyer.

From a “personal fulfillment” perspective though; what having a job for over two and a half years “in the industry” has taught me is that any job can make your dreams boring and lifeless. I can’t focus on code outside of work - and it’s killing me that my dreams are essentially draining… themselves! All this effort I put into a skill is being replaced with languages and technologies that don’t interest me… yeah, I can go on for this forever so I’ll stop now…

What I really want is a job that I’m good at, comfortable with, and is self sufficient so that I can turn programming back into a hobby indefinitely, or until I can find a job that works better for me from a sanity standpoint.

Now; I understand that trading is a skill. I understand that there is a requirement of capital upfront. I understand that it is in no ways a method of earning quick cash. When I find beginner posts on forums asking “how long does it take for me to be able to make WoW but with better graphics?”, I sigh as much as most of you probably do when someone asks how long to turn a $250 micro account into $50k. So I’m here as a fraction-less-ignorant-ignorant beginner :slight_smile:

The reason why Forex is so interesting to me is because it’s just a bunch of numbers. Or rather, one number per currency pair. And it goes up or down. The really interesting and “cool” things that I see in it are the incredibly brilliant ways to interpret and predict these numbers, and reading though this statistical theory was very interesting to me. I know that this will be coming later, but I’m sure that I can find some very nice ways to integrate my programing skills into the market.

You now know my life story, so I would like to say what I understand about the market and how I believe there is potential for me to, eventually, succeed in what I always wanted to do:

In the next few months, or as long as necessary, I will continue with my demo account until I can sustain profits at a 10:1 leverage. At that point, I want to open a mini account at $1,000 and trade at no leverage until that account becomes sufficiently profitable. I would then increase the leverage of my deals to something around 10:1 and continue with that to increase my account balance. Once I have proven to myself that I am capable of making money at 10:1 I want to invest $20k of a trust fund that I will have access to. Start trades, again, at 1:1 and then go back up to 10:1. If I become capable of trading a $50k balance at a 10:1 margin at, an average (counting losses) over three hundred dollars a day, then I will of succeeded in my end goal - which is to make enough money, purely on the market, to both sustain my dreamed middle class lifestyle and to continue to feed my account balance to make more future trades.

My account balance will never be touched, at any step before the last one, unless in case of extreme emergency. I also want to try and fund my account as little as possible - because if my end goal is to make a living, then self-sufficiency and discipline is a must and I don’t want to introduce bad habits; even if takes longer.

One thing that I am going to tattoo in my head right now is to throw time out of the window. “Sufficiently Profitable” will be a hard limit that must be hit, no matter how long it takes, before I continue with any steps above. And if I fail, it will hopefully happen early on with little to no loss.

I understand that if everything I stated about in my high-level goals is even attainable, it will take years (if I’m lucky) before I am up to that point. But even if it’s 5 years, being 23 and living off of this kind of work is the dream of many people - I just hope that my plan is capable of working. And that’s where, finally (phew), my questions come in :slight_smile:

  • is anything that I said unattainable, unrealistic, idealistic, idiotic or just plain wrong?

Actually… that about sums up my questions. Please be merciless to anything that I said. I spent money and time and effort to learn programming and understand the hardship of what I’m trying to embark on. I fully intend to trudge though this as diligently and slowly as needed - but before I do that I want confirmation that my efforts won’t be in vain.

Oh! And before any of you ask me how someone who just learned about a market three days ago and has no formal education in statistics (though I have much practical knowledge of logic) can even suggest or plan such a long term thing - I have been thinking about similar opportunities for a long time now - but this is the most “down to earth” (ironically, by that I mean accessible purely on the Internet) opportunity I’ve discovered.

I think your being realistic, even pro traders use 2X and 4X leverage so zero to 10:1 seems pretty solid.

I would think long and hard about investing $20K into your account though. If and when you can consistantly build up your account with the initial $1K you mentioned you really should not need to invest more. By compounding up your account balance you will add to the balance quickly enough to be into serious figues soon enough. And as you say even if it takes you five years, you’ll still only be twentythree. :smiley:

Read most of your post. My thoughts about it.

Are you interested enough in game programming to still make that a pursuit? If you love game programming, then you should pursue it. Pursue what you love and you will be succesful.

If I was 18 and in your postion, I’d get a job with a game programming company, learn the ropes a few years or whatever and start my own gaming company. I’m sure you know the gaming industry is larger than the movie industry. With your youth and skill sets you are poised to capitolize on it.

On the trading. You have a good attitude to start. Honestly you’ll probably find that, if you have a decent method, it’s far easier and less time consuming than programming. Sure you can stare at charts for hours, but you don’t have to.

Of course it’s also very easy to lose money if you don’t have a good method and trade emotionally.

Here is basically what you have to have to be successful in tradeing: a definable edge.

An edge is a strict, repeatable method. It should have a good win/loss ratio. (6 out of 10 at least IMO) A good risk/reward ratio. At the very least one gained for one risked. It should put the probability of winning in your favor as much as possible.

To help you cut through things you should avoid. Avoid trying to scalp the lower time frames, that is a fools game. It makes the probability that you will lose much higher. Trade on no less that the 4 hour time frame, daily and up is even better. Higher time frames equal less work and more pips and more money.

Become a trend trader. That is look for trending pairs and then just get in with the flow and let the river take you with it. Trading against the trend is like trying to swim upstream

I recommond ichimoku. I’ve been trading live for over two years and can just now make a living at it, if I needed too. Ichimoku is the best technical analysis method I’ve come across, it’s spooky how often it’s right on daily charts.

Go to Ichimoku Discussion Forum: Forex, Stock, Commodities, Futures, Bonds to learn about it. Look for the learning section that describes each ichmoku part and how to trade using it.

Avoid EA’s and robots they are all scams, if you want to trade learn how to do it manually.

About leverage though. You mentioned that you will be using no leverage or little leverage. what you actually want is the most leverage a broker will give you because then you are required to have less margin in your account to cover the trade. The less leverage ratio you have the sooner you get a margin call. Risk isn’t managed by your leverage ratio, wether you have 10:1 or 1000:1 leverage you can still only risk 1% of your account if you want.

Hi,

I’m pretty new to Forex as well but have learnt a great deal in the last few months. A few things that I can confirm for you:

Is what you plan here achievable? Yes, without any doubt. If anything, it’s bordering on over cautious but hey, that’s no bad thing.

Can you make a proper (middle-class as you say!) living off Forex trading? I am more convinced of this now than when I first started looking into it. Money management is totally, fundamentally key to it though.

Can trading Forex make you rich? Yes! It can make you a multi-millionaire if you’re good enough, stick at it long enough and always stick to sound money management principles. There are Forex millionaires on this very site but they won’t be crowing about it, you can be assured of that.

Will everyone who has similar plans to you succeed? This is key. It’s a resounding no.

There’s a great deal made about the 95% failure rate. Truth be told, nobody really knows the true failure rate but you can be sure that it is high. My personal belief is that the main reasons behind it being such a high figure is largely down to people rushing in with small deposits, blowing it and never getting back in. Gamblers, part time traders and people just looking to try and make a quick £ or $. Those that have approached it with it being a long-term project or their sole source of income in mind, will succeed far more often. You’re likely to study harder, approach trading more cautiously and have a strategy in place to protect yourself while your balance grows. I also think the intelligence factor is played down by modest traders who are winning the game. I am yet to be a long-term winner as i’m a month or so in to live trading so I can speak with a degree of impartiality but I think you have to have been blessed with a decent amount of healthy grey matter to get ahead in trading. You don’t have to be Stephen Hawking but you do have to have a bit of mental clout about you.

You seem to have your head screwed on for an 18 year old. Stick to your principles, don’t let people neg you out with spurious tales of Forex trading woe and i’d be confident that someone with your mindset will be one of the few that prosper. I hope to join you!