Basic Trading

Hi i’m new to trading and I’ve spent the last 3 months studying and trading on a demo account on oanda.com, so far I’ve been winning some and loosing some. I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what I should study to be a consistent trader. So far all I can find is just a bunch of information about the Forex market. but nothing that shows me how to become a consistent trader.

So if anyone has any advice on what I should learn before I go of to trade for real please tell me, I just need a push in a direction. So far im just sitting here consuming information that I can’t put to use yet.

To be honest…

Once you have the basics down…
Now you enter the endless backtest different ideas / strategies and find what works for you personally, some people might make suggestions to get into fundamentals or more into technicians systems but it all just comes down to what jives with you personally. nothing is right or wrong whatever aides you in making your speculation

sometimes shooting for higher win ratio on your trades sacrifices profitablity.

Win some lose some isnt bad with the right risk reward ;o)

Best thing you could probably do is go back after the trade is over and the emotions arent there when you go live and look at how the trade unfolded before during and after and see what you could have done to improve it. or what you could have done to see the loss coming. study your own weaknesses

one cheezy quote from barry gordon and the last dragon… " there is one place you have failed to look, and it is there that you will find the master."
Shonuff - Pip Leroy

YouTube - The Last Dragon - Sho’nuff goes to the movies

;o)

Now it is time to find your own trading style. There are several people in this forum who have developed their own style of trading and help others to learn it. I recommend you start reading the threads by Tymen (candlesticks), Oxfx (100-800 pips per trade), maurizio77 (step ema) and others … keep testing on demo until you are consistently in profit and until you have found the trading style that suits you best. That way you will protect your ‘real’ money until you are ready to trade.
Or if you want to start trading real money … which carries its own emotions … then start with a micro account

My 2 cents :wink:

Hey, that’s really good advice. Note that this is a really great way to spot recurrent mistakes that you might not realize you are making. This is just continuous improvement, and I mean what more could you ask of yourself?

If you feel like dropping some dollars on a book, I’d recommend Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas. It’s aimed at helping you build consistency from the bottom up, and can point out problems that you didn’t even realize were problems.

I have not heard mentioned yet in the previous posts (unless I overlooked it) what I beleive is the most important factor.

I will begin by asking a simple question: So you want to walk the road of a professional forex trader, [U]can you see the road?[/U]

“What do you mean by the road?”, you may ask.

I mean a trading journal. This is the most important thing that you must do in my opinion. You must journalize every single trade, win, lose, or breakeven. You must review your trades at the end of each trading week. This way, you live each trade three times, once when you make the trade, once when you journalize it, and a third time when you review it at the end of the week.

I think we are all familiar with the statistic that 95% of all forex traders fail. I beleive that about 90 - 95% of wannabe forex traders do not keep trading journals. And the simple truth is that they are just too lazy to do it. It takes work to keep up with something like that. I suggest opening a word document and inserting a screenshot of each trade you make as well.

I personally keep multiple trade journals. I keep a main journal, then a seperate one for each type of trade I conduct. Then I also do a daily video with screen recording software that I bought, and no I dont post them on youtube, they are just for my personal reference so I can hear my voice at the time of the trade and I can scroll through different charts and really see why I placed a certain trade and why it succeded or failed.

If you want to succeed in this industry, you must outwork the next guy. Sorry about the long post but this is extreemly important.

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Solutions to Your Trading Problems
Stockscores.com Perspectives for the week ending August 5, 2007

I have often said that making money trading stocks is simple, but not easy. Once you learn basic technical analysis techniques, have good tools to identify opportunities and gain some experience at identifying good trading opportunities, the actual job of picking stocks is relatively straightforward. Where most traders fail is in the application of a methodology. The simple and undeniable fact is that we are all human, and therefore, we are all blessed with emotion. When money is on the line, our emotional attachment to it can take over our decision making process.

With that said, I thought it would be helpful to examine the common problem areas that are a result of mental breakdowns. By examining the emotional conduits to decision making, hopefully I can provide some solutions to correct common trading mistakes.

Trading Problem #1 - No Patience on Entry
Anticipating a signal that never comes is common for traders monitoring the market closely and eager to get some money working. For example, a good buying opportunity arises when a stock breaks from an ascending triangle. Jumping in ahead of the breakout is not an ideal situation because the probability of success buying an ascending triangle is not as good as buying a breakout from one.

What causes this mistake? I think a fear of missing out on the maximum amount of profit or the fear of too much risk in buying a stock are the two most common mistakes. Essentially, the two guiding forces of the stock market are at work here; fear and greed.

By buying early, we can realize a greater profit when the stock does breakout since we will have a lower average cost. Or, by buying early we can reduce risk since a breakout followed by a pull back through our stop will result in a smaller loss as we have a lower average cost.

What tends to happen, however, is that the stock does not break out when expected and instead pulls back. This either leads to an unnecessary loss or an opportunity cost of the capital being tied up while other opportunities arise.

The Solution
The simple and obvious solution is to wait for the entry signal, but there are also some things you can do to help yourself stay disciplined. Rather than watch potentially good stocks tick by tick, use an alarm feature to alert you to when they actually make the break. Watching stocks constantly is somewhat hypnotic, and I think the charts can talk you in to making a trade. However, letting the computer watch the stock may help you avoid the stock’s evil trance.

Another good solution is to focus on different thoughts when considering a stock. Don’t think about potential profits, don’t think about minimizing losses. Instead, focus in on the desire to execute high probability trades. It takes time to reprogram yourself, so persevere.

Trading Problem #2 - Selling Too Soon
We have all felt the disappointment of not selling a stock at the high. When a stock is marching higher, we set a point where we intend to sell so that we can lock in the gain before it goes down. The problem is that after we sell the stock, it continues to go higher leaving us with an opportunity missed.

Selling too soon is a problem that I continue to wrestle with after 15 years of trading stocks. I want to lock in that good feeling of taking a profit off the table. I want to avoid the negative feeling of watching a good profit get cut in half by a rapid sell off. And so, I break my selling rules and sell the stock in anticipation of weakness, rather than when the market tells me I should.

The result is that profitability over the long term is not maximized. Once in a while, I may get out of a trade at a better price than I would if I followed my rules, but over 10 or more trades, my net profitability is not as good as if I had maintained my selling rules. Keeping in mind that trading stocks is a probability game, it is important to maximize gains on the winners so that the inevitable losers can be overcome.

The Solution
There are few things that can help you avoid falling in to this trap. First, go through a number of past trades and apply your selling rules to see what your net profitability would have been if you have been disciplined, and compare those with what you actually achieved. I did this and it gave me powerful proof that maintaining discipline pays off, and is worth striving for. In fact, when I did this over one particular one week period, the difference amounted to a pretty nice new car! That gave me the leverage on my emotions I need to overcome them.

Second, turn off the profit and loss indicator that most brokerages and trading platforms give you. How much you are up or down is irrelevant to the decision making process. Since we have an emotional attachment to the money, knowing that we are up a certain amount and then seeing that shrink on a normal pull back in a stock leads us to make an emotional decision.

Finally, remember to sell at floors, not ceilings. Do not limit the upside movement of a stock by setting a price target, but instead, limit the downside movement by setting a price floor. Sell a stock when it pulls back to a floor, rather than selling it in anticipation of it reaching a ceiling price.

Trading Problem #3 - Letting Small Losses Turn in to Big Losses
As I just mentioned, trading stocks is a probability game. You will not be right all the time, which means that one of the most important aspects of trading stocks is to never let small losses grow in to big, portfolio debilitating losses. You have to limit losses at a risk level if you are going to be successful over the long run.

Solution
The simplest and I think most effective solution for most people is to set a stop loss point before purchasing a stock, and apply it immediately after purchasing a stock. Use basic chart analysis to determine where the market will have proven your decision to enter a trade wrong, and set your stop just below that. Automated stop losses are best because they do not require you to have the discipline to pull the exit button. Do not change your stop once you are in the trade. Making the stop loss judgement before you enter the trade is best since you will not have an emotional attachment to the stock at that point since you have not put your money on the line yet.

Trading Problem #4 - Trading Low Probability Opportunities
My dad is one of those do it yourself guys who would rather work hard than have someone else do the job for him. As a kid growing up, that meant that I helped build fences, garages, basement developments, pour concrete driveways, do yardwork and generally learn that same ethic to work hard. I am thankful that I have that spirit, but in the early stages of being a trader, it was something that hurt me.

The stock market can not be made to go your way by hard work. There are times when the market giveth, and there are times when the market taketh away. The legendary Vancouver stock promoter Murray Pezim once said that all abnormal profits in the stock market are just short term loans. His point is that people do not know when to leave the market alone, and when it is time to work hard.

Traders will tend to take low probability trading opportunities at the worst time, because it is during weak market conditions that the market only shows marginal opportunities. By working really hard, traders can find opportunities that are pretty good, but not great. By taking these lower probability trades, the trader sets him or herself up for failure, since their rate of success will not be as good.

The Solution
I have said it many times, when the going gets tough, tough traders get lazy. You must always be picky about the kind of trades you make, particularly when the market is weak. Working hard to find opportunities will not make you more money, working hard at being disciplined will.

Teach yourself to look forward to the slow times. Make a list of things that you are going to do when the market slows down. Plant a tree, play golf, kill the ants that are crawling around your house. Just make the list.

Perhaps most importantly, if you depend on the market for a paycheck, make sure that you bank money when the market is good so that you don’t have to trade when the market slows down. Making a trade because you need to pay some bills is not a good way to trade.

Trading Problem #5 - Overtrading
There are stock traders who make 150 or more trades in a single day. I am not sure they make a lot of money. I firmly believe that you can make more money by making fewer trades because it will make you focus on only the best of opportunities, and play them with a larger amount of capital so the pay off is better. By being patient and disciplined with the really high probability trades, you can maximize profitability.

The Solution
If you are currently making 50 trades a week, tell yourself that next week you will only be allowed to make 10. If you are making 20 a week, promise yourself that you can only make 5. Don’t just tell your self that you are going to stick to your new rule, write it down!

By setting this limit, you will hopefully change your outlook and try harder to only consider very high probability trades. We want to focus on great trading opportunities, not just those that are good.

Trading Problem #6 - Hesitation
You are watching a stock that has all the signals you look for in an opportunity. The proper point to enter comes, but you wait. You second guess the opportunity and don’t buy the stock. Or, you bid for the stock at a price that is not likely to get filled if the opportunity does pan out the way you anticipate it will. As a result, you get left behind while the market pushes the stock higher.

A short while after the initial entry signal, when the stock has made a decent gain, you decide to finally enter the trade. After all, the market has proven your analysis correct, so you must be smart, and right! Not long after you enter, the stock turns south and you end up with a losing trade. If only you had bought when you first thought about it.

The Solution
This is really just a confidence issue. You are either not confident in your ability to analyze stocks, or you are not confident in the methodology that you are using to pick trades. Therefore, you have to research your method so that you have the confidence that it works. Then, you have to start small, making trades that have a potential loss that you are comfortable with. As you gain confidence in your method and your ability, increase the trade size. With your new found confidence, stand in a crowded room and scream, “I am great!” Well, maybe don’t carry it that far.

Trading Problem #7 - Letting Winners Turn in to Losers
The final trading problem that I want to focus on is allowing winning trades to turn in to losers. Many of us have probably had a time when a trade was making big loot, and we started to count the profits like they were ours before we exited the trade. When the stock started to lose the ground it had gained, we avoided selling because we had built up an emotional attachment to the paper profits we had seen. Instead of selling the stock to lock in some gain, we opted to hold out for the stock to go back to where it used to be, promising to sell when it came back to the point where we felt good about the trade. The stock drifts lower, and eventually the gain turns in to a loss. We ultimately sell it at the bottom, swearing never to do it again. But without some reprogramming, we probably will.

The Solution
Like Kenny Rogers used to sing, “Don’t count your money, when you are sitting at the table, there will be time enough for counting, when the dealing’s done.” Do not calculate your profits before you lock them in. Avoiding the profit watch will help you avoid an emotional attachment to the paper profits, giving you greater clarity to take the exit door when the market tells you it is time to do so.

I hope this outline of mental problems and some solutions helps you become a better trader. The difference between those who succeed in trading and those who fail is not the system they play, but how well they play it. Your mind is a powerful thing, don’t let it beat you in the market.

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Making Money and the Most Basic of All Basic Strategies

Making Money and the Most Basic of All Basic Strategies by BillyRayValentine

I have been getting a lot of pm�s in regards to a thread I started last week called �No Brainer Trades�. You can find it here: No Brainer Trades

All of the trades posted in the blog by either myself or other members have proved anywhere from +20 to hundreds of pips with the exception of one, so the success rate has been very high thus far. We hope to continue it and educate as we go along. In response to some of the questions I have been getting and through my own diligence here I thought I would write the following, outlining the major methods I use.

Throughout my years of trading, I have been lucky to have had some good experience and have picked up two important things:

1.Trading as a means of steady income is not a painful process if you know what you are doing
2.Trading can be a very painful process if you listen to the wrong information

New traders suffer a severe disadvantage because they do not understand what moves the market and how to react to certain outcomes. When attempting to learn, the overflow of information out there can be both beneficial and disastrous. This article is intended to provide one winning strategy that provides a very high winning percentage rate, uses no indicators, and is simple to learn and follow. It is also intended to provide information regarding market movers and how they generally operate in relation to this strategy, as it is probabilistically the most widely used and followed.

I�m going to outline my own abbreviated trading plan, making it easier to understand through explanations and presenting examples as to how I trade on a long-term and intraday basis.

Before you read on, I encourage you to take a look at a general overview of the interbank market and how it works. It baffles me that such a large portion of retail traders out there have no clue of this structure, and it�s no wonder why so many of them lose money on a regular basis. Deficiency of knowledge in any endeavor will usually lead to failure. Understand what you are trading before you trade it, and then move on. You can find one here: 404 File Not Found

Banks control the cash. Retail traders such as you or I, as well as major funds play a key part in the movement of the market, but at the end of the day, the banks are the ones putting on multi-million dollar positions which essentially drive the markets. We would like to think we are a bigger part of it, but we�re not.

Working for a major fund and a bank for several years, I realized what a joke a lot of trading really was and how simple it really can be for any novice investor with a willingness to learn. In my shop, we had one dedicated analyst per pair and he or she basically called out the shots to traders on the desk. The trader is responsible for moving the cash while securing profit whenever possible. With virtually no spread, most of the positions would last from a few seconds to several minutes. Many of them would take tiny profits trading countertrend all day long, along with hedging other traders, causing rises and shifting bars as you see on a regular basis.

When an order gets placed that seems larger than life, and chips start to stack on, others usually follow like a herd like sheep. The largest orders are placed in areas of extreme support and resistance, and most of the market makers are fully aware of this fact. Analytics done by the banks usually outline these areas first and foremost, hence it�s the most widely used and followed technique at distinguishing reversal points. Other analytics are used as well, such as diagonal trend lines, pivots, price channels, macd, moving averages, etc., but issues over ambiguity arise with all of them. The technique I�ll describe below uses nothing more than support and resistance, with other methods allowing for possible trend-riding along the way. It�s what the big players do; therefore, it makes sense to be doing it as well.

No strategy is going to be perfect, because on top of everyday speculative trading there are other influences on the foreign exchange market, and it might be difficult to discern when one price level will be more influential than another. As a retail trader following this technique, however, it is fully possible to profit 80 to hundreds of pips in a five hour session, each and every day. Less is more, in this case.

I make about 5 to 10 trades per session, each one fitting into the framework of a high probability. I�ve used this technique over the past 3 years now because it has proven to me to be the most reliable and simple to trade. Others will argue, but while they argue and are looking to short GBP, I�m already closing my trade with 20 pips of profit. They go short, and price bounces back up, and I hope to explain why here.

Areas of support and resistance hold because unlike other methods, anyone trading in any timeframe can look at a chart and see where price has reacted many times in the past, or what will be a �no brainer� in the immediate future. Any level is subject to a breakout on a reaction of news, or other various influences. It is important at all times to gauge the current market conditions and in good judgment decide whether or not the level should hold or bust. For example, on days of hysteria where the dollar is getting smashed, you�re a lot less likely to make a ton of pips on these levels if they are countertrend. The same can be true for Fridays (stop hunting day), in times of option expiration or at the very end of the month. Regardless, even on these days, it is possible to use this technique to enter trades in the direction of the trend on a retracement to the exact pip, allowing you to take advantage of the madness of the volatility.

The Trading Itself

There are 2 different types of support and resistance which generally hold: long-term and near-term.

Long-term support and resistance levels can be distinguished on a 1-hour or greater timeframe. I typically start with a 4-hour chart and scroll down or up depending on the situation. Long term support and resistance levels, under laxed market conditions, can be good for 100+ pips at a time, unless under the conditions previously described. Here is an example of a current USD/JPY trade that bounced right off of predetermined levels. As I write it is currently +40 pips in profit, and the original posting before the trade can be found here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost…&postcount=238

As you can see from the chart below, this entire area has been used as both support and resistance many times in the past. Due to the heavy influence it has had in the market during previous times, a very high probability exists that price will bounce right off of it.

The range of the level might be difficult to discern, as it can be rather wide. Looking at the most recent reactionary levels, one can determine that the most relevant range of price action is 102.74 to 102.60. Within this 15 pip range price was expected to bounce, as it did, right off of 102.73.

Another example on AUD/USD you can find below. You can see that, on several occasions in the past, price used the .9290 level as support. This time was no different. Price hit it right on the nose and started its long journey into new highs. The original posting for this trade can be found here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...63&postcount=3

This AUD trade is a good example of ranges, and how to tell which level price will bounce off of if multiple areas of support/resistance can be found in the same area. You can see here that in addition to .9290 support, there is also relevant support lower at 0.9273. One strategy is to scale into the position, putting on a portion of it at .9290 and, if price dropped any lower, put the rest on at 0.9273. Your stop loss should be placed directly under these levels, as if price continued to move any lower, it would signify a follow through, and clean break of this level.

Near-term support and resistance occurs when a previous level is breached, and that support (or resistance) level acts as a resistance (or support) level. The best timeframe to view these on is 1-hour.

An example of this can be found with a trade I took today on USD/CAD. On news, price spiked down through the former 0.9872 level of support, all the way down to 0.9817. Two hours later, price lurked its way back up to 0.9872, and began to sell off for approximately +35 pips of profit. These happen over and over again on a daily basis, and can be very easy to spot.

Another example below on AUD. Again on news, price made new highs, busting through 0.9558 resistance. Several hours later, price moved back down to this level, tapped it, and was good for approximately +92 pips profit at maximum. You can also see that several opportunities were present to short AUD/USD previous to the news spike, as well.

Taking Profits

Profit should be taken in relation to the setup and current market conditions. No two trades are exactly alike; market conditions change all the time. Typically speaking, near-term support and resistance provides for smaller moves. For some, they can lead to trend continuation; for others, they can lead to consolidation. With the exclusion of market conditions, here are the rules I generally follow:

For long-term support and resistance, I will typically take partial profits at around +40 pips or so, and leave the rest on and see if I get a runner. I will look for opposing areas of support and resistance and use them to scale out of a position.

For near-term support and resistance, I will typically take partial profits at around +20 pips or so, and leave the rest on for continuation. Again, I will look for opposing areas of support and resistance to scale out.
Understanding current market conditions is crucial to taking profits. Whether it be a long-term or near-term support or resistance trade, current market conditions could leave you empty handed for the day if you are not working with them properly. In a wild market, it is best to secure some profit as early as possible (20 pips or so).

Once any trade is +20 pips in the money, I will usually set my stop loss to breakeven. If the market turns on you, it is probably doing it for a good reason.

If the trade is a continuation of a current trend, you might have a better shot at more pips, though it is not always necessarily the case. Long-term support and resistance can commonly act as major barriers, priming the market for a trend reversal.

Things to avoid:
1.Putting on a counter-trend trade during a news spike
2.Not setting a stop loss to breakeven when profit is +20 pips in the money
3.Holding too much conviction on a long-term move
4.Generalizing beliefs on where price will head
5.Not waiting for the setup
6.Chasing a trade late after a setup has already occurred
7.Sloppy trading (�sure, it�s going up�)
8.Letting a profitable trade turn red
I have some other methods I use, and will try to post them later. But I hope this helps for now. Thanks,

Trade like a Cheetah
by Hans Hannula, Ph.D.

The cheetah. An endangered species who has survived against the odds. It has survived by using a simple set
of two rules: be faster than anyone else, and be smarter than anyone else. Sound like a good trading
principle? At a recent Market Technicians Association conference, in a discussion with Dr. Van Tharp, a trading
psychologist, I learned something about top traders that I thought was unique to my own style of trading. What I
learned was that many top traders use animals and hunting as a mental metaphor to guide their thinking
when they 're trading. The metaphor I’ve always used is the cheetah.

To understand the cheetah you must understand a little bit of its history. The cheetah is a member of the large
cat family, but it is a very different breed of cat. It was nearly hunted into extinction about 2,000 years ago. It
somehow survived by retreating from populated areas and living in a confined space. The price it paid for this
survival was a great deal of inbreeding, which has genetically weakened the species. Nevertheless, the
species still survives, simply by following two “rules”: be faster and be smarter than other animals. It is
knowing how the cheetah employs its two rules in hunting that can help traders. The cheetah hunts in six
distinct phases, which I call the survey, the stalk, the spook, the chase, the kill and the rest.

The survey finds the cheetah in its typical sitting position. This may look like laziness, but the cheetah is
actually very busy mentally. If you notice, it will be sitting in a position of perspective, such as a treetop, on a
mound or a hilltop overlooking a watering hole, and what it is really doing is analyzing a herd of potential food.
It is surveying the territory, like a trader tracking a group of stocks or commodities on a long-term chart, calmly
watching the progress of price and time. Like the trader looking for emerging patterns, the cheetah is looking
for particular movements in the herd.

The cheetah’s next phase is the stalk, which is a patient stroll to more closely examine a particular opportunity
more closely, perhaps a group of animals which may have separated from the herd. The cheetah leisurely
walks toward or alongside that part of the herd, checking out the potential prey, focusing on such details as
size, strength, nervousness and position. This is like a trader taking a closer look at a few stocks or
commodities, following major trendlines, and observing cycles and oscillators. As a cheetah nears this
smaller group of animals, he starts watching for motion, focusing intently on the weaker members of the
group, much as a trader watches for the first price formation or trendline break or oscillator crossing that could
indicate the start of a move for a stock or commodity.

The cheetah is waiting for its prey to become fearful and panic, just like a trader waiting for other traders to
build up fear or desire and go into a buying or selling panic. Every trader knows you make your big money
when a stock or commodity moves fast. Both cheetah and trader are looking for the initial twitch that signals
rapid motion. Both are waiting for the target to spook.

As soon as an animal stalked by the cheetah selects itself, the chase is on. The cheetah kicks in the
afterburner and sprints up to 70 miles an hour. At this point, the cheetah is in full control, driven by desire, while
the target animal is in absolute flight, controlled entirely by fear. The cheetah feels confident that it can catch
the prey, but also knows it can abandon the chase and select another animal. For the trader, this is entering,
selecting a stop, validating the move and pyramiding the trade. This phase requires absolute confidence in
your own skills, something that gives me and many traders problems. If a trader becomes fear-driven, the
trader may become the victim and not the victor.

Like the cheetah who knows there are other animals to be hunted, the trader must keep in mind there are
other trades always coming along. Just as the cheetah does not risk exhaustion of all its energy in one chase,
the trader should not risk exhaustion of all his or her funds in chasing one trade. Like the cheetah who has
developed the judgment to tell when a chase is fruitless, the trader must develop the judgment to know when a
trade will not succeed. This judgment is gained only from the experience of many hunts, chases, successes
and failures. Failures are absolutely essential in this learning process and are simply part of the natural order
of things.

The cheetah has a distinct advantage over the trader here, in that it is dealing with energy and not money. Many
traders believe that their own self-worth is measured by the money they make, so that a loss triggers inner
doubts, and may put the trader into the fear mode. This drains even more internal energy, hampers judgment
and can lead to the inability to act. Even to stop the loss. I find it very helpful to tell myself that money is just the
grease for the skids of life, and only determines how fast I can move, just as the cheetah’s energy level
determines how fast it can move.

The next phase is the kill and the cheetah kills its prey very cleverly. Since the lightweight cheetah does not
have the jaw strength of big-boned cats, it kills by pulling up alongside its prey at 70 miles an hour, reaching
over and tripping the animal with one smooth kick. The prey crashes to the ground, usually breaking its neck.
In the worst case, the cheetah will have to pounce on the prey and clamp its jaws on the throat of the already
damaged, weakened and nearly dead animal. This is just like the trader who waits for a fast move to crash into
a channel top or Fibonacci resistance point, waits for the change in momentum, and then closes out the trade.
The final phase is the rest. The cheetah and, I believe, the trader need a rest after a series of intense chases.
Neither can run at high speed constantly. After the kill, the cheetah eats, celebrates and rests. I believe the
trader should do the same. A good practice is to always reward yourself with a special lunch or dinner, paid out
of the trade’s profit, then rest from trading for a while. My rule is that after a trade, win or lose, I don’t trade for a
time. This allows me to refresh myself, stabilize my thoughts and return invigorated to the hunt.

Think like the cheetah when you trade. Break your trading into the same six stages. Remember it is absolutely
essential to be in control, and not in a state of fear or panic, during the excitement of the chase. What gives you
the confidence is doing the homework, the technical analysis, so you understand what is happening and can
plan your approach. As I’m sure Dr. Tharp would tell you, you need a clear mind to trade, unburdened by
preoccupations. If you achieve all this, you can be a clean, lean, mean trading animal.

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Forums - Day-Trading 2.0 for small traders

04-06-08 07:24 AM

Developing a price based trading plan (PBP)

Indicators #5

As long as indicators are used only as visual aids, they are not going to cause distortions (and there is not a trade off). In the case of the example:

Direction Indicators (Macro direction)

144 WMA

If instead of using fix S/R as a reference you introduce a �dynamic� line like a 144 WMA (in the case of a daily chart) you�ll have the same results. Look how the green dot line pointed at the same supports as the fix S line.

How to use it?:
Price above/ below �shows� at a glance where is the market going.
What is the good of it?:
In this particular case nothing special, the fix support line is so clear that the 144 WMA only show the same. But in general it avoids drawing macro S/R lines, its dynamic so it adjust to current circumstances.
What are the potential shortcomings?
None as long as you use it only as a visual aid for macro direction.

Price Analysis Indicators (Wave analysis and current direction):

25 HMA
Here is where the problem starts �cause the reasons behind why and how you use this indicator will have considerable influence in the outcome of your trading plan.

How to use it?:
Option 1: As a visual aid. Just to have a quick visual aid for waves and +/- to recognize where the market is in that particular moment (Current direction).
Option 2: To establish wave Highs/Lows = your decision to take a trade will be based on this analysis. Change of �slope� green/red will define Wave Highs and Lows

What is the good of it?:
Option 1: You don�t gain a lot but you can have nice quick visual reference of the current direction.
Option 2: You may reduce whipsaws on sudden price spikes that can point to �false� lows/highs especially in fast timeframes or less liquid instruments. (For an example http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...6&pagenumber=45)

What are the potential shortcomings?
Option 1: None as long as you use it only as a visual aid.
Option 2: If you are not carful you can misinterpret price and take a trade based only on the indicator and not on price analysis + you may not take a valid trade because of the indicator. In the case of the example the second arrow won�t be a valid entry anymore because is a lower high (when on reality price made a higher high (H1=1.4918 < H2=1.4929)

As you can see this is one of the tradeoffs I was talking about. You introduce an indicator to improve efficiency and you end up losing consistency. There are millions of cases that the opposite will happen; the indicator will get you in without exact confirmation of price HH/LL but the key issue here is to recognize that every time you introduce an indicator you will have to deal with this tradeoff. Moreover, it�s very important to recognize the exponential implications of this in your trading plan. This a daily chart where waves are naturally smoother but look at the potential implication of introducing a 25 HMA in a 8 tick chart where you can have 100 waves in 1 hour multiply that by the implications of 2 or 3 indicators you may decide to use, you may end up in a net of conflicting signals that will certainly be reflected in bad trading decisions.

Indicators for triggers, exits and failures (Timing)

25 HMA as a trigger instead of the random line

How to use it?:
Either you can trade a close above/below the HMA as a trigger or you can wait for a conservative change of �slope� green/red for confirmation
What is the good of it?:
It can give you an objective entry point, reduce drawdowns and identify warnings that the trade is going to be bad and/or clear exit signals
What are the potential shortcomings?
Late entries and exits

As you can see in the chart the 1st and 3rd trades would have been triggered +/-130 ticks and +/- 170 ticks above the original trigger based on the random line. (Either if you entry on the close above or if you waited for change of slope).Even worse are the exits both trades would have been losses (+/-100 ticks and +/- 200 ticks) if you have traded only the indicator signals. Again that�s not the key point, there are many cases in which the opposite would have happened, the crucial issue is to recognize why, how and the cui bono of your indicators? If you don�t know this and you pretend to find a holy grail that overrides all the tradeoffs between indicators/efficiency and price analysis/consistency you are doom to fail in the long run.

It sounds nice in theory but how to you do this in a real small day trader chart?; I�ll continue later with a SPY intraday 0.1 constant range chart.

jjrvat

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The thread is located here:

Forums - Day-Trading 2.0 for small traders

Ironfist NQ example

This is a good example on the implications of price analysis, indicators and perspective in a simple trading system. I will only focus on the factors that are relevant to this thread�

The original system

�The only indicator I’m using is a 60EMA. Go long when the price goes above it, go short when the price goes below it.� IronFist

A PBP example based on this trigger

Timeframe

  1. 500 Volume Bars. The original post was 1 min chart but for obvious reasons, volume charts will reduce a lot of whipsaws when trading a moving average as a trigger.

Direction Indicators (Macro direction):

  1. 240 WMA: As a visual aid for macro direction. Price and slope above/ below
  2. Daily Pivot Points: To visualize if the market is going to keep moving in one direction or its going to change and also for potential profit/stop targets

Price Analysis Indicators (Wave analysis and current direction):

  1. PRICE: For wave analysis. Blue/Brown dots indicates if price made highs or lows in the last 5 bars

Indicators for triggers, exits and failures (Timing)

  1. A 55 WMA: Go long when the slope goes up; go short when the slope goes down. I did that to further reduce unnecessary whipsaws. For the sake of the analysis bars are colored according to this condition.

Summary yesterday US MORNING

Blue arrows: 3 perfect entries all winners = Macro direction ok (red 240 WMA slope) and Wave analysis OK (HH/LL)

1st Trade: Max profit range 66 ticks / Drawdown to the max profit range 1 tick / max time in the market +/- 24 mins
2nd Trade: Max profit range 10 ticks / Drawdown to the max profit range 1 tick / time in the market +/- 2 mins 30 secs
3rd Trade: Max profit range 18 ticks / Drawdown to the max profit range 2 ticks / time in the market +/- 27 mins

Orange arrows = 9 valid potential trades but not according to the trigger. All of them had at least 4 ticks max profit range

Red arrows = Reversals but very advanced trades. Observe the first 2 highlighted circles both at pivot points and how the red bars after the reversal green bar failed to break the pivot and make lower lows and compare with the last highlighted circle (also at the pivot) in which this didn�t happen (and therefore the downtrend continued).

I leave you with the chart and I�ll post my comments on it later.

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Double-your-discipline | Inside Out Trading

Trading Psychology - Double Your Discipline in Three Simple Steps
Thursday, May 15th, 2008

Peruse any book on trading and you�ll find that discipline is an absolutely critical factor in profitable trading. This particular aspect of trading is also one of the biggest challenges for most traders, even sometimes for those that have been trading the markets for years.

What you�ll find here are three simple steps to double your discipline in very short order. Don�t dismiss this method. Even though it won�t solve every discipline problem you may run into, it will take you in the right direction and you really can double your discipline very quickly.

Step 1: Be aware while you�re in the moment. During the moment when you find yourself tempted to deviate from your trading plan, pose yourself this simple question: �Am I thinking about doing this out of emotion here or would this be in alignment with my better judgment?� Being aware of how you�re feeling - at the time - is what is critical, and then asking yourself the question. Often, the mistake happens because we simply are getting caught up in our emotions and the simple act of staying alert to the emotional surge will help to keep things in perspective. Awareness is only the first step though.

Step 2: Understand where the real problem is coming from. Usually the urge to deviate from your better judgment is coming from a fear. Here are a couple examples.

  • Getting into or staying in a trade when you know that you shouldn�t often comes from the fear of missing out on an chance to profit. What is often erroneously attributed to greed is often a scarcity mindset coming into play. The fear of saying �No� demonstrates the fear that there �isn�t another bus coming soon�. When you don�t have the firm belief that there are numerous profitable opportunties to be capitalized on and that you have the know-how to take advantage of them, then the fear arises in the moment.

  • Failing to pull the trigger is usually the fear of making a mistake more so than the fear of loss. Superficially it feels like the fear of loss, but the risk on any given trade is easily forseeable. This one is an issue of self-doubt due to past mistakes.

When reading the examples above, you may have noticed a common underlying factor. There is a way to counter fear, and the 3rd step is to address this specifically.

Step three: the most effective way to counter fear is through growing your confidence. Your daily life is full of risk and yet you can function will amidst this risk without any fear all. Why? Because you have the confidence to deal with it effectively. When you drive your car, go out in public, walk down a flight of stairs, you have no fear. You have developed the skills to do these things and do them well and without getting hurt. The potential for harm is there, but you have the confidence to handle these situations.

Trading is a relatively simple activity compared with other professions, particularly with the tools available in today�s world. It is certainly within your abilities, and as you educate yourself on and build your skills, you�ll find that your fears subside as your confidence grows. The challenge then becomes how to properly go about building your confidence - real confidence, not just courage.

True confidence comes from awareness, education, competence, practice, measurement of results and feedback for continuous improvement. Trading involves a significant body of knowledge and a respectable skill set to be developed to trade confidently. Unfortunately, many traders are not given the information when they start out to even know what they need to work on to become that successful trader that they envisioned at the start of their trading career.

Failing to stick to your system is but one of the many mistakes traders make that create losses and anguish. By knowing the root of the mistakes and having specific actions to take to avoid them, you are empowered to be a more consistent and profitable trader. There are numerous trading mistakes listed in the book, �The Subtle Trap of Trading� along with particular actions you can take to keep from making them. When you see where mistakes originate, you will find that your trading is both more profitable and lower in stress.

You must train your mind.

You don’t need another indicator, system or method.

Focus on YOU!!

Im a newbie as well but some of the important things i’ve learned have been, money managment, patience, and timing.

Just keep doing research on different techniques and see what works best for you.

I also just got the book called “The Forex Trading Course: A self study guide to becoming a successful currency trader”. Lots of information on What drives each individual currency, technical analysis, and common failures people see. Id say the best forex book ive picked up.

Also I found a site yesterday with 15 or so training videos that are pretty informative, Video and sound quality not so good but still great info. Heres the link Forex Tips

Good luck!

Whoa, it looks like you are going to be wildly successful at this! I analyze some of my losing trades to figure out what went wrong, but no video.

What hurts my account is not the losing trades as those are to be expected; my win to loss ratio is pretty good. What hurts me is over-trading which stems from my main failing: impatience :wink:

I need to learn to wait for the best setups to come along, take my pips and then wait paitiently for the next one.

Thanks Rumpled One. Thats alot of info you got there. You definitely Deserve some credit for what you have done!

Wow thanks everyone I appreciate it a lot, didn’t expect so many people to help out. Those articles helped me out especially the trading strategy one.

Thank you TRO, I’m not sure I have enough ink in the printer so I will bookmark! Is your “Horizontal Line” strategy a “smaller” (scaled down) version of strength and resistance as mentioned above? It would appear that the bigger numbers x.00, x.50, & xx.00 do act as S/R but as they appear in larger time frames they get run through in an overall trend. Not sure I’m expressing myself very well but I’m very anxious to try Simple Hor. Line this coming week - this thread will have to be read a few times to make sure I understand it. I couldn’t get Firefox to open some of the links so I will have to revert to IE and see if that works. Many thanks to all of the above for thoughtful postings. Very, very helpful. d.