Beginner's Disaster!

A superior mirage. That would have made a great screen-name. I am the “Superior Mirage”. Sounds like a Marvel character.

Anyway, would you still trade patterns just now in front of the Euro summit or would you wait ?

Just as a matter of interest, CNBC’s Money in Motion ,( wondering what to call them ) trade tips we’ll go for, for the coming week are as follows:

GBP/JPY ---- SELL @ 123.25, Target 118, Stop 1.25

Aussie/USD---- Buy @ 1.035, Target 1.065, Stop 1.015

Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on those.

And should have said at the start, hope you’ve all had a good weekend

Just thought I’d put this up and ask a question;

Just wondering how they came up with a BUY on the pair. According to the channels lines I’m looking at there is as good a chance it will fall from downward channel resistance. Or is it a trade based purely on a weakening dollar if the Euro summit comes out with something positive?

I mostly do trade regardless what news are coming or what summits. I trade technical setups. That being said, I mean just the day in and out trading setups. My bots also trade regardless of what news are there and they are very successful.

Another thing is what I do in my longer term investments, like hedges or my xau investments. There I look more for the fundamental backgroud.

I do, however, even there not one second listen to the big bs on cnbc or such sheeple sites. Most of what you get there is propaganda. Frankly, I do not even look tv anymore. I have tons of movies still sitting in my external hd and no time to watch.

If you want to get reliable information, look at smaller sites. Or new sites who like to gain reputation. Like seeking alpha or this here http://www.marketoracle.co.uk That’s where investors write themself, small and big pockets and you gain direct information instead of it filtered by the media tycoons who believe you only have to get what they would allow.

There is another issue with news: The same moment a news comes out, it is already old news and you can even get addicted to it. I believe many people are news addicted. They grab whatever they get, the more drama, the better. This euro summit is just one of the thousand meetings which we have seen in the past. Way overhyped. The facts are also already known since years now. Greece must default in the end, because they do not produce anything beside of olives and cheese and a little other stuff and some tourism, but have a socialistic government. All the money thrown in there is sooner or later lost then and the tax payer or euro holder will pay for it.

Technically, the eur is overbought up to the daily imho. It doesn’t say it can’t go up further, because “it can’t” is the most expensive sentence. But it’s more likely to dip at least a little. Maybe going up a little bit and then dipping.

Thought I’d put this up. It’s from the analyst section of my trading platform.

Forex @ DailyFX - Incredible Trade Potential in EURUSD and S&P 500 Divergence

We are testing 1.3900/35 area of strong resistance… Everything just comes down to EU summit but we have to be aware of a short covering…

Speculators are heavily net short at 1.3900, so big banks might try to squeeze those shorts before any move down.

My guess is we will see a move up (100-200 pips) and then back down.

Anyway I will only react to PA in my charts :slight_smile:

Two things to ask opinions of;

  1. yunny1, can you please explain the term “short covering”

  2. My trading platform is currently showing the market price of EUR/USD as 1-3848 from showing 1-3894 this afternoon. I know the market is closed just now at this time so does this mean that the price will be gapping down at open? And if this IS so, how does that happen when the markets are closed?

Just stated reading a thread called Professional Trader Offering Mentorship… It’s an interesting thread. Well worth a look for all newbies. Through this thread I found videos from Sam Seidan who I believe is connected to FX Street. Here’s a link to a video, slightly different take on S&R ( supply and demand )

Market Timing For The Short Term Forex Trader

Also took short on EUR/USD tonight @1-3853, Stop 1-3875, Target 1-38.

  • 20 as I write, ( 1-3832 ) moved my Stop already to 1-3843.

Sam reminds me of a lecturer I had in college. He was so slow and he always went of in tangents!

Euro Aussie D TF

If we are to follow what Sam said in that video we would be buying now?

yes we would off what he says at least that is how i understand him to be

I hear you BC… but its fun to watch! LOL Agreed EU looks likely to retrace some… thinking 1.38 - 1.3750? in the short term.

  1. Short covering is when you are short and the market start to rise forcing you to close your short positions either for profit or loss

  2. FX never closes since is a decentralized market, a lot of players do not trade over the weekend, then liquidity and volatility are low and spreads high. For example at Oanda I can place an order during weekend but the spread is 10/20 pips on E/U

I read mainly only two sites for fundamental knowledge:

Marketwatch, for the cheerleading side of the market
Zerohedge, for the doom side of the market

Zerohedge in my opinion is the closest you can get to insider trading, those guys are great… you get info you won’t find in the mainstream media… BUT I never trade base on any infornation coming out of those sites. They just help to enforce my bias

Anyways guys its a weekend post… so thought you might appreciate a little brevity? Matt (a pro trader) took this of his younger brother who strangely is up and coming… puts a whole new slant on the psychology of trading? LOL!!!

Matty Phelps’s Videos | Facebook

I’m lookin at daily EU just now. Bottom of current candle is sitting on 50 ema and top is hitting off 200 ema. Actually tempted to go long as all indicies are pointing up just now. Maybe would go gor 1-3950 again. But going to give it a miss. Need to get off to school with kids… Priorites eh?

And that is why I drive a cab for a living and not trading !!

Hy everyone.
I will open a long position just like on the picture. That’s only a safety thing about the early openings.if a candle is closed over a level, a wait for the next candle to get the highest or lovest price of this “trigger candle” and there i’m opening my position.


I opened my long trade with half position.my target is 1.4500.SL is under the last bottom.

There’s a couple of posts I want to do tonight so I’ll get cracked on. Here’s a question for all newbies reading this thread. Have you ever “discovered” a new song that you just love, and for the next couple of weeks you just play it constantly, over and over, you play it?

I have. A few months ago I found - She Talks To Angels by the Black Crowes. Played it religiously for days on end, over and over.

Well, personally, I think beginning to trade FX is very much like that same, almost hypnotic song. You discover it, you love and you want to play it every day, as often as possible. So you look at the 4 hour charts, then the 1 Hour charts. Because that is what the experienced guys tell you to do. They don’t trade from the smaller time frames.

But the problem with those long time frame charts is that they don’t give you many trading signals. What good are they? We’re here to trade for God’s sake !! So what gives you the most signals ? The 1 Min chart. Signals every couple of seconds. That’s the boy for us !!

Fast forward a couple of months. Do you still play that song everyday? Or do you even turn it off when it DOES come on now? What about your FX ? Do you still have that account ? And if you do, is your balance depleted some what ? And are you just plain tired of losing trades ?

Well, that’s the way I feel right now. But let me tell you why I believe that’s a good thing. I AM tired of losing trades. So much so, that in the last couple of weeks, I’ve even told my wife I’m going to quit doing this all together. That it’s probably not something I’m going to be very good at anyway by the looks of things. But it was only this morning that I realised, I’m not tired of it, I’m learning. I’ll tell you why.

In a post this morning before I went to school with the kids, I wrote that I was tempted to go long, maybe target around 1-3950 I think it was. But I didn’t take the trade. And the reason I didn’t take it was that I just wasn’t convinced by it. Not 100%, so I left it. Because I didn’t want the depression that goes along with ANOTHER losing trade. Here’s what happened.

This is an image of the 1 min chart that I was looking to take a trade from this morning. Now personally speaking, looking at this chart, I think it would be reasonable, GOING BY THIS CHART, to enter at 1-3898, put a Stop under the low of 1-3888, and put your target at 1-3938, the reason for that is that it was a previous high which isn’t visible on this image.

As I said, going purely by this chart, I think that would be a reasonable BUY. Risking 10 pips to make a possible 40, and in all fairness, if price CAN break up through that little resistance level, then I think that trade stands a reasonable chance. And as I write this, some 13 hours later, price is up around 1-3924, and did reach as high as 1-3957 today. But let me ask you this, where is the MAJOR flaw in this trade ?? Any guesses ?

I’ll tell you, - IT’S THE 1 MINUTE CHART we’re looking at !!

Here’s the 1 Hour and 4 Hour charts which correspond to the same time this morning, with the same levels marked on them. Now you tell me, looking at THESE candles, would you STILL take that same long trade ?

1 Hour :

4 Hour

So what are we thinking ?

The 1 Hour surely is telling us to SELL no? And although the 4 Hour image is obviously taken AFTER the last candle has closed, even if we ignore it, and purely use the second last candle, it still ISN’T telling us to BUY is it ? So what DID happen in the time after the minute chart snapshot? Well here is another 1 min chart:

So as we see NOW, 24 minutes after the trade would have been opened, we’d have been stopped out for a 10 pip loss. Now 10 pips may not be the biggest financial catastrophe to ever hit you, but when you are a beginner, as I still am, and you’re on a bit of a losing streak, IT’S ANOTHER PSYCHOLOGICAL LOSS. It feeds that feeling of loss. Then it feeds desperation, which will lead to more trades made in haste which will lead to more losses. ( See where that ones going ? )

So, because I feel that I am slowly “graduating” away from the small time frames, and I didn’t take a trade that I was less than convinced about, which I definitely would have done even up until very recently, I’m taking today’s non-involvement as a victory. Like the song we found at the start, I’m tired now of losers, I’ve had enough of them. I’d honestly rather just give up as continue to lose, get a little back, then continue to lose again.

The novelty of trading has worn off, and I maintain this is a good thing. You may also have to go through this journey for yourself, in fact you definitely will because no-one can go through it for you. But when the thrill of hitting buttons wears off, hopefully we’ll have grown mentally in our FX trading. I’m not saying you’ll never have a loser again, because we all will, but just hopefully we’ll make better decisions in future.


Having said all of that, do you remember the song I spoke of at the start? ( Black Crowes - She Talks To Angels ) well I still play that everyday. It’s just the best song ever. The accoustic version is best, so here it is for your amusement. I hope I don’t break any site rules by posting this.

She Talks To Angels {Acoustic} - The Black Crowes - YouTube

Although, the studio version is pretty damn good too gang,

The Black Crowes - She Talks To Angels - YouTube

Remember to crank that volume up !!

Just thought I’d add this report from Bloomberg to this post. Experts are now saying they reckon the worse is over for the Euro, unless there is a total and complete breakdown in talks.

Euro Strategists Draw Line at $1.34 as Merkel Seeks Rescue - Bloomberg

So the long term BUY could be the trade.

Look HOG,

i understand you, i really do! How smaller the time frames are, so difficulter to trade is. I think, if you’re a beginner, you have to live all this things what you wrote about now.
I’m trading in 4 hour time frame trend following strategy. So, my first thing what i’m doing is to chechk the long term way from my chart in daily time frame. Not less not more only in daily. So, if you trade in 30min time frame you should check it in 1 hour…so all the time with one time frame higher.
But try to trade in bigger time frames. I’ve about 3-8 trades/week. They’re more than enough.
Other important thing. Do your trading in a daily shedule. I mean, do your technical analysis every day in the morning, or evening. it takes about 1-1 1/2 hour, after that you check the charts 2 times/day.
My daily trading shedule is:
I make the technical analysis every morning arround 8am. (40min-1 1/2 hour), after that i run. arround 1am i check my positions (10min) arround 6 i chech again. On the evening if i’ve time i do more and deeper technical analysis with exotic charts or stocks.
If you stay before the computer, and you’re looking the same charts, often you change your (good)mind! So, before you make a trade, go drink something, or take a shower (it takes only 5 minutes) and than go back check this trade again, and if you still think that’s good for you, do it! After you did leave the computer for 2-3 hours, or more. Never change your stop loss, just wait that you gonna stay in that trade or not.
If you feel something wrong about a trade, don’t hesitate, DO NOT open it!

my ideas only:) try a bigger time frame!more peace, more comfortable, and the same money or more…