Beginner's Disaster!

Ssshkippydoosh*&%$?! No, can’t manage it. I would have had a post-Chatsworth run at it last night but you were all being very serious and discussing trades so I did not want to lower the tone!

Although whether that is possible after the charming ‘blowing smoke…’ explanation is up for debate…

Just wanted to check in and say good weekends all. Decent week here; I avoided today’s EUR/USD efforts as USD/JPY, NZD/USD and EUR/CHF all hit TP so did not want to blot my copy book late on.

Glad that as a thread we collectively seem to be gathering pips more than we give them away, and wish you all a good weekend.

ST

Thank you ST and I also say a great weekend to everybody! :slight_smile:

Well my week overall was good but took a 50 pip hit today. Lesson learned AGAIN… don’t set a longer daily trade off the Asian. Yesterdays close and into Asian it looked to me to be an overall break back south. At one point I was up around 30 pips and hit the hay. Got caught up in domestic things this morning and by the time I took a peak my 50 stop had been hit. Ah well… nothing a few London Prides or ESB’s won’t cure over the weekend. You do serve Fuller’s at the Traders Arms right? :20:

Well… I’m going to do it again! LOL!!! 02:15 GMT and short off 1.3783 into London.

EDIT: I figure Asian range now set at 1.3783- 1.3753 and looking to a breakout south.

And looks to have worked out, so nicely played! Nice start to the week.

I was too busy sleeping off watching both the F1 and the boxing (pesky kids mean we can never watch anything live!) to be up trading at that time. I generally avoid Monday early morning, prefer to join the party after the school run when things have settled down a bit. Do you often trade it? Do you find it reliable?

Good morning, by the way, trust you had a good weekend?

ST

Hi ST. Mostly, I’d rather like you wait until London for confirmation. However the generally accepted rule is trade off the Friday close when looking to Monday’s move (accepting of course Sundays Asian ranging). Given Fridays close at 1.3752, my bias was to the shortside. My short off 1.3783 I deemed to be an acceptable ‘rule breaker’ and when 30 up set SL to BE.

Hi Gang

Been MIA today, believe it or not I’ve spent most of the day talking some things over with a friend and just got caught up in it.

Also, would like to apologise for not wishing everyone a good weekend on Friday, unfortunately time and events just took over me and again I got lost in it. Anyway I trust you all had a good time.

RC

I still have that trade running from last week, believe it or not. As I said, Friday turned into a lost day for me so the trade just ran over the weekend, and I believe at one point I was a load of pips, and I mean a LOAD down as price gapped at the open. Anyway, it’s still alive and at one point today was up well, but I have let it run as I think over the next few sessions EU may well see 1-35. We’ll see what happens I guess.

And incidentally, I’ve asked ST to add FULLERS to the range. All regulars should be allowed 1 drink of preference at the Trader’s Arms.

Personally, and I promise you this is true, I’m strictly a coffee man ! :44:

HoG

1.36 on the 4h rejected twice confirming demand at the this level . So on that basis, I’ll go long off 1.3628 into London and take another look.

Hello together. :slight_smile:

I had my bingo bango bongo day today with 2 bot profits, so I will do nothing currently.

Though my hand trade at 13815 short til 13650 from Friday wasn’t triggered. Missed >150 pips by less than 10 pips. :frowning:

Letz see what tommorrow brings. I am not sure about a huge long move so far. There is a lot of space left between the current pa and a beta 2 on the h1 chart. That looks suspicious. :33:

Good nite together. :24:

Top tip BC… 10 pips! LOL. Figure your entry and take the trade. :smiley:

EDIT: When PA started to fall through the floor 10 pips from your initial enty… were you not tempted?

On friday I built a short position from 1.3770 to 1.3790 and SLs at 1.3824… although I was pretty confident on the trade the fact I had to go thru the weekend made me wary, this market is so volatile lately I don’t feel like holding a trade more than a day… the good thing is that volatility gives me more trading opportunities :slight_smile:

Just closed part of my short trade for + 28 ( moments before PA FELL another 20 pips, perfect timing as usual :56:) Anyway, all indices and futures pointing down this morning so I’ve left almost half the trade to run, still looking for 1-35 over today, maybe tomorrow.

Put my stop just above was looks like right shoulder from head and shoulders on 1 Hour at 1-3645

Well PA went lower than I thought! But reasonably confident it will close inside yesterdays bar. Note to self… wait until London. :stuck_out_tongue:

trade now closed. Was looking foe 1-35. Price got as low as 1-3510 then reversed. I had moved my stop down to 1-3535, which was hit for approx +110 on that bit of the original trade

May now look for another short around 1-3560-80 area. Still think we are going below 1-35

Nah, I have my entry rules. I could have entered below, but I have still my bots playing and what I do by hand will be more conservative now. It just gave me a hint that the eur is weak. If it doesn’t come up that high. :wink:

Today my bot says flat. Now going for a brunch and after that we’ll watch to find another opportunity to gamble my bot winnings away, lol … :smiley:

You could be right with the inside candle close. If sentiment is bullish, the next resistance is imho at ~ 136ish level. On h4 I have this wonderfool green circle which says stopping volume and h1 has reached the beta -2 almost and turned right on that …

Missed the sell entry up ay 1-3560 ish. Went short 1-3535, stop 1-3570, target 1-3460

Dang man 10 pips off a huge move… Great call! Too bad you weren’t around your computer to take the move. I’m short two lots at 1.36 from earlier last week. I was getting ansy watching that move to 1.38 but glad I held on. Fundamentally I think the EUR has very little going for it so I hope to be in this trade for the long haul.

Oanda’s order books show lots of Buy orders at 1.35. Next round of Buy orders comes in at 1.3430ish. Use those areas as Support. Sell orders concentrated b/t 1.3650–1.3725. That should act as nice resistance barring unforeseen news (which seems to come out all the time these days).

Good luck all

Hello and thanks! Great you catched some pips. Well regarding order books, I don’t look at it anymore. Demand there is right now okay, but those are just shark food there, lol.

HoG, be careful with anything today. Might be a shaking out day in both directions. PA turned at s1.5 and we have week s1 below, a huge demand zone below and some news coming out.

Happy pipping to all! :slight_smile:

Be careful relying on those levels for S/R… banks look for those orders to smash them. I will not take any long trade unless price is below 1.3400 and a good PA and volatility signals…

FRIENDS, TRADERS, NEWBIES, LEND ME YOUR EARS.

It does fell a wee bit like Oscars night making this post, so I’ll try my best to milk the message contained for all it is worth.

In the original 64 drafts of this post, I did wonder who I should address it to. Should I direct it to my fellow newbietons (wtf ?), the ones who are thinking of going live, the ones who are practicing to go live and the ones who HAVE recently gone live, and are maybe finding life a little harder than they had hoped or imagined ?

Or should I address it to the gang, the more experienced crew members, who have undoubtedy been the ones, although I originally started this thread, who have carried it this great distance ?

But since I already know where we are going, I have decided to split draft 65, into two, long, drawn out, borng sections ( would you expect anything less of me ?), one for each group. So here we go, (this would be a good time to pause and go get some coffee, you could be here for a while.)

The Newbies:

First of all, the following opinions are mine, and that IS all they are, MY OPINIONS. It is NOT my intention to turn this post into an advice giving sermon. For believe me, I am in no way the right person to give advice to anyone, especially on the subject of currency trading. All I can do for you here, is summarise MY short experience in this game
( which ironically, will probably come out sounding like an advice giving sermon ! )

When I first started trading, I genuinely hoped it would be my ticket. I hoped it would be my shot at a new, different, better life. There was an awful lot I didn’t know at that time, and also an awful lot I just didn’t want to know, stuff that I just ignored.

I traded for a very short time on a demo account, just hitting buttons, more or less oblivious to all forms of analysis. Basically, I was just gambling on a hunch that the price of a given pair (normaly the Euro Dollar ) would go this way or that way. I reckon at that time the only candlestick I had ever heard of was the one that stood between me and Mrs HoG, on the dinner table the night I proposed to her ! ( I can be such a romantic soul at times !! )

And to be fair, these gambles more often than not worked out ok. Sure, most trades would go the wrong way initially, and I would find myself 10 or 20 thousand dollars down, but within a couple of days price would normally come back my way and I’d take my 60 dollars profit, easy peasy this Forex thing y’know.

So flushed with this success, I decided to open a live account. I stuck $400 dollars in a micro account and I was LIVE ! And if I was a cruder type of guy, I would make some crass gag about my account going down faster that a 5 dollar mexican hooker, but I’m not, so I won’t, even though I think I just did. ( ? )

But to cut a 999 post story, which most of you already know, short, it’s NOT the money that I wish to talk about with you, the newbies. What I would like to talk about, is in my humble opinion, the two most important subjects connected to trading currencies.

Trading in a live account, completely and utterly regardless of the size of that account, is vastly different from trading a demo account. And one of the reasons for that, is one of the subjects that I told you at the start of this epic ramble, I intentionally decided to ignore when I started out. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TRADING.

When I worked in a labour intensive construction job, I would hear office workers complain that they were “Mentally Tired.” And I would think to myself, “WTF are you talking abount, ‘mentally tired’, You people don’t know what tired is.” Now I drive a cab for almost 80 hours a week, which does include a lot of downtime, and most nights I go home mentally tired.

Similarly, when I first heard of ‘The Psychology of Trading’ I thought, “Psychology of Trading? WTF ( I tend to think WTF a lot as you may have noticed ) are you talking about?” And I now admit, I completely misunderstood the meaning of this. I thought they meant in order to trade, you had to be in some way, city trader like, a business man/woman, Gordon Gekko like, braces and all. But that’s NOT it. That’s not it at all.

You see, I don’t care what anybody tells you. I don’t care if you have the brains of a picket fence, trading currencies IS learnable. All the indicators, all the charts and tools, anybody can learn these things. I’ve read, mainly through forum sites, loads of fellow newbies asking the same questions. “What are the best time frames to trade? What are the best indicators to use?” And I think I have come to believe, that the harsh reality of these qustions is that they are both pointless questions.

As far as the time frames go, I think they are all as good as each other. AS LONG AS YOUR TRADING STYLE MATCHES THE TIME FRAME YOU ARE TRADING. If you find you prefer to scalp, you shouldn’t be doing that from the daily chart, you should be on the 1 minute, maybe even the 5 minute. And if your in for the long haul, you shouldn’t even know the 1 minute chart exists, you should be on the longer time frames.

Likewise, with the indicators, just because one person might use a certain indicator, and use it well, it doesn’t mean that you should use it, or even that you will be able to use it well. Unfortunately YOU are just going to have to go through them yourself and find the one/s you like and are comfortable with. But the good news is, they are ALL learnable. It’s NOT rocket science. ( which, incidentally, I also believe is learnable if you are determined enough. MInd you, what you would want with a rocket in your front room is questionable, but it’s still learnable)

But the biggest hurdle, is NOT what is LEARNABLE, it’s what is CONTROLABLE. And your emotions (psychology) definitely falls into that bracket. If you can’t control your emotions in trading, if you can’t control the enthusiasm, the greed, the fear, the panic, the impatience and all the other human emotions that DO mix together to form the psychological rollercoaster you hear so much about that IS trading, you won’t make it. You won’t last, end of !

You also need to be able to have the ability to accept a loss. I’m not saying for a second you need to be happy about it, but you need to be able to understand it and accept it. To be fair, that is a thing I have, and still do, struggle with. My up bringing in our fair city was to fight, to never accept defeat. And the idea of taking a loss, in anything, is hard for me. To refuse to admit to yourself that you were wrong is a weakness in trading ( and life I suppose ) But the currency market will punish that weakness like a scorned woman, WITHOUT EMOTION !

So your emotions, get to know them. You might think you do, but be honest. Recognise and admit your weaknesses, just as much as you congratulate yourself on your strengths. Even if you are only admitting them to yourself, do it. You can’t control anything if you don’t know what it is your trying to control.

Now you may remember 3 years ago, when you started reading this post, I said Psychology was one of the TWO most important subjects in trading So what’s the other one?

Well, again imho, the other subject, and by far the big boy of the two, is MONEY MANAGEMENT, or RISK MANAGEMENT.

I have only 3 bits of advice ( said I wouldn’t do that didn’t I ? ) when it comes to managing your account :

  1. NEVER risk too much of your balance on any one trade and ALWAYS use stop losses.
  2. NEVER risk too much of your balance on any one trade and ALWAYS use stop losses
  3. NEVER risk too much of your balance on any one trade and ALWAYS use stop losses

Get where I’m going with that ? I’m going to throw a couple of cliches at you know, so be prepared.

Trading is a marathon, not a sprint , and it is all about winning the small battles, in order to be victorious in the war. (OK, you can come out from under the table, no more cliches.)

But there is a truth to them. Much like the psychology part, you need to just plain and simply accept there WILL be losses. It’s just a fact. It’s disappointing to work so hard to build your account, and then see it take a loss of ANY kind. But as newbies, it’s a contest just to survive. But taking a $3 loss is much better than blowing the whole account. At least you’re still in the game, you’re still there playing.

If you opened ANY business you’d have to pay an electricity bill for the premises right? Well anytime you set your stop loss, and take a small loss, just tell yourself
"That’s the electricity paid." and it won’t seem as bad, trust me.

I genuinely wish ALL the newbies who have either just read along, or taken part in this thread, all the success in the world. It’s probably true that most won’t make it. But don’t stack the odds against YOURSELF with poor money management or impatience. You’ll get there if you just remember the rules you learned as a baby.

Stand, THEN Walk, THEN Run.

Goodluck to you all.

THE GANG

5 people I make no apologies for singling out ( can you do that? Single out 5 people ? ) as the ones mainly responsible for giving this thread the legs it has enjoyed, are, in neither order of appearance nor alphabetical or order of favouritism, are SimonTemplar, R Carter, Buckscoder, Nikitafx and yunny1.

I have always said I have been lucky to have been joined in this thread by people who have always been a great source of knowledge, experience, advice and humour. And it has always been primarily the 5 of you I have been referring to.

Your willingness to share has been THE attraction of this thread, and I have no doubt, that is what has encouraged so many others to get involved. It certainly has been the best table to sit at in the Trader’s Arms. I have enjoyed the last 999 posts ( not all of them ours obviously). I’ve even looked forward to them. The best part being that they were always curtious, educational ( blowing smoke part was brilliant ) and funny. (The expression ‘Bingo Bango Bongo’ will go with me forever)

It is to you 5 then, that I mainly extend my gratitude to( although it does go out to all ) for helping this thread get so far. and for taking the time to share the things that you probably had to find out for yourselves.

I told my beginner’s story in the first post of this thread. I’ve tried to make my mistakes in public for the benefit of whomever it was of use to, and for your part, you could have all just watched and laughed. I know that the advice you have shared here in this thread, IS the reason my first account is still alive.

I believe I have came a long way in a short time.( maybe that’s an ego thing ) I’ve learned a lot, thanks in no small part to you guys.

As I have said before, it IS still my intention to end this thread when ( IF ) I reach my original deposit of $400. But never fear. For the death of the Beginner’s Disaster, will hopefully give way to the birth of The Trader’s Arms - Open All Hours, and by that time, hopefully, I will be able to talk to you guys on a level which is a little closer to yours.

Until then gang, I wish you all continued success, happiness and safety.

OH, and BTW, Thank you !!

And with that, I exit, stage left, little gold statue clutched to my breast.

It now only remains for George Clooney to thank everyone for attending this year’s event, flash that bought and paid for smile and wave like a robot until the credits roll and we are eventually replaced by an advert for toilet roll.

Take Care

HoG. :35:

PS, maybe this would have been better after all ST;

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