Censorship is Bad

I must admit that other fx forums (who it must be said supply much more educated high level duscussions form ‘real’ traders, such as ET) don’t care what’s said and in what context.

When was Wall Street ever a polite, quite and cencertised activity! Ha, far from it.

Now let’s make some fu**ing money (in the words of Wolf of Wall Street)

I dont have much experience with BabyPips
I have though a lot of experience with MFB
The MFB site became a scammers paradise due to lack of censorship.
So I would say censorship is a tool. It depends on owner how he will use it.

I see exactly what you mean.

Yes - of course it’s bad.

I also see historical threads here commenting on the same thing, with people complaining that in order to protect the spammers, promoters and trolls, the mods delete the posts of ordinary members who are complaining about them.

As they did yesterday/today.

Ultimately it’s their forum, and if they’re going to censor their members like that, we just have to decide whether to go or stay.

Judging by the traffic and levels of posting, and what people are saying about this forum, many people decided to go.

There’s only value in staying and complaining about it, however, if they can be persuaded to change their behaviour.

And I see no sign of that, Bob, in spite of repeated attempt by former members to encourage them to do so? :unamused:

Looks like it’s been clear here for years that they want to protect the stealth vendors/spammers, though. You only need eyes to see that people have been complaining about this exact same thing here for years. :grimacing:

(It’s weird, really - the one thing they’re persistent and reliable at, is shooting their own business in the foot!).

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Call me naive (and you really can) - but have I missed something? Granted I don’t know what you’re talking about in this thread as I haven’t seen the posts your referencing [feel free to tell me, I am curious now]

But, when ever I happen to report a vendor and mark it as Spam it gets instantly removed?

I guess it would have helped if I saw ‘said’ posts before they got removed.

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i also have a post deleted in the night

i think, yes

i think, yes

there are “stealth vendors” or “stealth promoters” who the mods protect, by removing posts of other members

very disappointing, i never saw a forum like this

not only mods, but also navigation is very bad

i was here many years ago, i came back to look again and maybe to post my journal and trade method, but now i plan to do this at ET or FF instead

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The thread in subject (this time) was What are the best indicators to trade with

In it, a certain member replied to my post Grey matter

with this

Dialectics and jokes are really good to show you’re different… but when it comes to trading? Huh, we’re probably taking same wrong steps.

Now those that are regulars would remember that @lexys called this bloke out (he was a “verified analyst” under the old school site) and he promptly got banned. Then two weeks later he came back under diplomatic immunity as a regular joe blow.

Now since he responded to myself, I called him out as I do. But after my warnings I’ve toned things down. But he came back waving his wang around saying look at the size of mine and the rest is history.

Problem is, how he trades and what he says here within the forum are two different things. Thats no good.

We have to live in the real, one where a) this is no easy game and not for the faint hearted and b) marketing of forex education is far more profitable that speculating. Those of us advocating a) are being censored in favor of the b) group because they side with the sites objects, to generate revenue. Thus the owners encourage ignorance amongst the viewers and manipulate the forum for revenue raising. If one wants proof of this then simply look at the lack of participation by the owners/administration/moderators and then ask why.

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Can’t disagree with you there bro. Manipulation for personal gain

That won’t last for long.

My post calling out the same person was also removed, and not for the first time.

It’s said elsewhere that the mods here are from a “forum moderation service”. Obviously they’re not traders, and that’s the real problem.

Other trading forums are moderated mostly be senior members who understand what’s going on in trading forums. (They probably can’t do that here, though - the senior members have nearly all gone, now!).

I think many of the members who post garbage are probably from a “forum posting service” too. I don’t know this, but they certainly look that way, with the repetitive, meaningless rubbish and posts stolen and pasted in.

Forums without enough members and participation use these services to try to present an appearance of activity, I’ve seen them advertised.

This would certainly account for why the moderators won’t do anything to prevent all the paste-in posts.

I’ve had long exchanges of messages with the admin about this. He insists they have their “process” and his ears are firmly closed to observations that it’s not working.

“estis” was still at it as recently as yesterday, pasting in rubbish from some trading site as “his own post”, in spite of all the discussion about him for so many weeks. But if he’s from a forum-posting service they’ve subscribed to, that would explain why they won’t kick him out, surely? :anguished:

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funny!

i asked mods about the avatar and profile pic of campione but they did not do anything about it

funny how the mildest “bad language” they censor because it can offend people from other cultures, they say, but they do nothing about his avatar and profile pic???

it is as logical as other things they decide about this forum

this is their problem, tho, Caharlie? they just do not listen?

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This has for some time been something which crossed my mind - sock puppet your own forum as a means of trying to initiate traffic - and if it’s not this then Jesus, there are some really dumb idiots out there signing up here.

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I think that’s all it is.

They just come here because other forums remove them and their rubbish posts, don’t allow endless pasting in of paragraphs stolen from Investopedia and worse sites, and have moderators who know something about trading and take part in conversations about trading in their forums, and know what’s going on. So this one mops up all the dregs who simply aren’t accommodated anywhere else.

The puzzling thing is the way they seem to want that, and to protect them, even as it predictably destroys their business.

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“Man” is right.

A couple of avatars here are offensive to women members.

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I think you’re missing the point of the post - I don’t care about the images in that respect - it was the principle of posts being removed, that’s all.

And how on earth are they offensive to women? No male genitals in those images…

The pictures objectify women and are in fact displayed for that sole purpose.

Let me respond to a couple different things going on in this thread, starting with @_bob’s comments regarding censorship. We agree with your bullet points, completely. But we’re not here to censor you to keep the “truth” away from other members. It’s the moderation teams responsibility to keep the peace, to keep the conversation flowing, and to remove distractions and off-topics comments from the original topic. It’s far to easy to get off track, especially when members resort to tearing apart another member’s topic/post, whether legitimately or illegitimately, in the topic itself. That shouldn’t happen. If there’s a problem, use the flags to report the matter, discuss it with the mod team directly, or message the member.

@_bob, regarding profitbaby, that’s what happened with your removed posts. We weren’t protecting profitbaby, we were trying to keep the discussion on topic. Now, regarding profitbaby’s membership , we made a mistake keeping him/her on as member as long as we did. He/she should have been gone a long time ago, We went through that user’s last 18 months of posting history, and in too many occasions, there were numerous violations that, while recorded, weren’t taken into account together. And we made a request to him/her, that went unanswered, and that should have been the end of it. But it wasn’t followed-up on. So profitbaby is gone. We apologize for that error, which ultimately resulted in your replies to him/her, and your post removal.

I also want to take this opportunity to make clear that we have no hidden agendas or for-profit deals with scammers and trolls or any vendor in the Forums, as is peddled here by a handful of members repeatedly. If you see a banner advertisement or “sponsored by” tag on our website, that means we either have a direct or indirect (through something like Google AdSense, or some other ad network) advertising deal with that vendor or ad network. We also allow sponsorships of certain areas of our site, including articles, quizzes and polls. WE HAVE NO OTHER DEALS WITH ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL VENDORS IN PLACE. NO AFFILIATES. NO INTRODUCING BROKER DEALS. ONLY DIGITAL ADVERTISING.

Could that change, sure. But any other accusations of something different are completely false, and I’ve stated that on several occasions. If there are members around that you feel are scammers/trolls, report them using the flags available to you in every post. As for us protecting stealth vendors and promoters, that is also a false claim. If a topic turns into a flaming war, the off-topic comments are removed. Plain and simple. If you have a problem with your comments being removed, or want to know why, you can simply message a moderator to find out why.

We’ve been openly flexible in our moderation efforts and even the most critical topics about the site, our relaunch and moderation efforts are still open for anyone to read and contribute. Discussion that go around in circles are of no benefit to anyone, so they get closed, but not deleted. If our motives were to censor, those would be the first topics to be removed. And there are several members, new and old, with consistent criticism of our efforts that are still members, posting their opinions openly.

As for our moderators, they are staff members, employees of the company, and have been for over 5 years. We do not employ 3rd party posting or moderation companies. Those, again, are completely false claims. Unless you read it on the Forums, posted by a company employee or moderator, any statements made by other members about our motives are pure opinion. They are entitled to make them. But to sell them off as “truths” is completely unfair.

And for those members that haven’t moderated a discussion where those involved all have a different opinion and claim to be right, it’s harder than it looks, Case in point, we censor bad language and several members don’t agree with the decision to remove it, that we’re heavy handed. We leave the image of a woman, uploaded by a woman, in a bathing suit and members don’t agree with the decision to leave it. Moderation isn’t always black and white. We can’t please everybody, we know that. But you can always contact us and make your case.

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. As always, keep it civil.

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I didn’t say that.

If you really can’t see the difference between “attractive women” and “pictures that objectify women and are displayed for that sole purpose” then I have no more to say to you.

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No problem TT! All good clean fun here.

Thanks for replying to the thread.

It seems to me, from reading very many previous threads here, in which the same problems have been discussed so very repeatedly by members and former members, many of whom are now no longer here for precisely the reasons being discussed here, that that’s rather a repeated error.

Would you say that that’s a fair comment, Pipstradamus?

Or would it perhaps be helpful to you if I clarify it further, by posting links to some of those discussions, and comments by those former members about why they were leaving?

I hope you don’t mind me asking, but it seems that we’ve caught you in a rather rare “listening mode” and it could be a suitable opportunity for a non-prejudicial discussion about some of the forum’s underlying problems? They’re ultimately your business, not mine, naturally, but when more or less the same issues have been arising over and over again, for years, there might be something to be learned from it, don’t you think?

There’s perhaps a contingent representing something close to 50% of the population who differentiate between “good clean fun” and the objectification of women, isn’t there, RISKonFX?

If Tacita’s offended by pictures displayed purely to objectify women, then she’s offended by them, but I think she’s probably far from alone there, wouldn’t you say?

Particularly in a forum where absolutely no bad language is allowed because it might offend people from other cultures, as Pipstradamus has explained in another thread, it does seem very incongruent to allow pornographic images which have the potential to offend so many people, doesn’t it?

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Can I clarify the picture was in response to another member, not my own doing? Of course the original post was removed so now I look like an idiot