Confusion with lot sizes in MT4/MT5 !?!?

Hi everyone!

I have finished all the lessons in the School of pipsology and demo trading at the moment.

Now, I am facing a major hurdle when it comes to placing trades “based on lot sizes” in MT4/MT5. But before I get to that, let me just stress that I do understand that 1 standard lot is equal to 100,000 units of a currency pair, 1 mini lot is 10,000 units and 1 micro lot is 1000 units and the value of a single pip in these lots are $10.00, $1.00 and $0.10 cents respectively.

If I were to place a trade on any of these lots in MT4/MT5, I would enter 1.00, 0.10 or 0.01 in the volume field.

As per the lesson here on how to set orders in MT4: (MT4 Basics: How to Set Orders - BabyPips.com) If I wish to buy/sell 5000 units of a currency pair then I would enter 0.05 into the volume field and each pip in this trade would be equivalent to 50 cents.

All this is straightforward.

Now here is (what I think is) the problem:

When I open up a trade to buy/sell a micro lot., I enter 0.01 in the volume field. Now, given 1 pip is worth $0.10 or 10 cents, I would expect that every pip gained or lost would be counted in multiples of 10 cents. For example if I gained 100 pips, I would expect that my gain would be $10.00 (100 pips x $0.10) which would be added to my balance once I close. However, it appears that I have actually gained $1.00

The same thing happens if I try to trade 1 mini lot. I enter 0.10 in MT4 and expect that 1 pip is worth $1.00. Instead every pip gained/lost, is counted as $0.10 and not $1.00.

I don’t need to explain what happens when I try to trade 1 standard lot. I’m sure you get the picture.

This is really confusing for me. Can someone please explain what is wrong here? Maybe something I missed or my math is wrong?

Refer to screenshot attached

Appreciate your feedback.

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I think you are confusing pip with pipette

See for example, on EURUSD your broker will quote you 1.23452, so there are 5 decimal points…

But 1 pip is the forth decimal… so 10 pips is price going from 1.23452 to 1.23552

Maybe you are counting 1.23452 to 1.23462

On yen pairs is the second decimal, so on GBPJPY 10 pips is from 123.456 to to 123.556

This is… If I understood well your question…maybe I’m talking nonsense Lol

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Can you post a screenshot of a completed trade? Shouldn’t matter if it’s a win or loss, big or small. Your math appears to add up with mine where quote currency is USD.

@darthdimsky
Thank you for your response. Post edited and screenshot uploaded.

@averied

Actually, you could be right. Refer to the screenshot uploaded. Maybe I have been confusing pips and pipettes!??

Indeed you have! @BoiiMahn

:wink:

@averied
Thanks, I get it now😁

So the first trade showing the move from 1.09835 to 1.09836 is actually 1 pipette NOT 1 pip.

The EURUSD pip values are as folls:

+0.1
-1.6
-2.5
-1.9

Your math lines up in this case. XAUUSD standard lot size is a 100 contracts so the math is slightly different.

@darthdimsky

Refer to @averied’s response. She kinda makes sense. What do you think?

Oh totally. I think it’s spot on. Hope it didn’t sound like I was trying to disagree. I’m a bit of a numbers guy so I calculated it from the bottom up.

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@darthdimsky

Not a problem. We’re all learning here. So in conclusion, my interpretation of pipettes as pips was incorrect.

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MT4 and MT5 are platform types and mt5 is a bit updated version from mt4. It depends of people’s preference over what kind of platform they will use.I understand mt4 very well than mt5. So I use mt4 platform because tools and platform of mt5 seems ambiguous to me.

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What’s really surprising is that a 1 pipette trade has given you profit.

Normally the broker will charge a commission or there will be a spread of a few pips between ask and bid price…

Are you on a demo account? Be careful with spreads once you go real. If you’re after small profits like scalpers do… the spread is a very serious matter.

For example ask bid price for eur/USD can be like 1.09832
1.09862

So as soon as you open the trade, you will be in a small loosing position of 2-3 pips. So you first need to recover the pips in the spread … And only the pips after those will give you real profit.

If you are still confused about pip and pipette there is advance mode in setting since you are using mobile version. You can try that.

Units over lots

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I concur with @averied . Long ago, brokers only used to quote to the fourth decimal place, called a Percentage in Points, or PIP. Confusion arose when brokers started to quote to a fifth decimal place (to one tenth of a PIP) and I have seen this referred to as a “point” which causes further confusion. I always remember that a percentage in points means one hundredth of one hundredth, or one ten-thousandth. If you count that to the right of a decimal point, 1.000 becomes 0.0001 or one PIP.

@StankaVitanova
I use both. MT4 used used mainly for CFD forex trading and MT5 for trading stocks, crypto, indicies and other assets not offered on MT4.

@theyogender

Not anymore. Its clear now. But please do share some information on the advanced mode on mt4/mt5 mobile version.

@Mondeoman

Thank you for your comment. Yes, I also agree with @averied. Lesson learned.

@averied

Yes, I’m demo trading. Thank you for bringing up those points. I’ll look into that.