Going offshore to escape the CFTC

Toxic flow is any type of trading that risks the market maker broker/LP (ultimate market maker on the other side of all your trades) being able to consistently hedge your trades for a profit via internal client matching or utilizing multi bank ecns.

  1. Scalping in fast markets
  2. Arbitrage (taking advantage of latency in their feed vs another broker/venue
  3. News trading in fast markets
  4. On the institutional side of things… Sweeping an aggregated order book containing multiple executing banks forcing all of them to attempt to hedge your total order in the open market simultaneously.

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@maypip @nick21521 @albanianking @grandpipmaster @limitlesschr1s @hphpwnwn @smurgman111 @lickit @hphpwnwn @pinman314

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@bigs819 @bigs819 @WTM @jwpdad @kelix @korionlan88

And the one & only @anthonyjohn

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lol, you are so correct

Can you elaborate on what this entails, as most of the brokers seem to allow scalping, so I am curious about any differences.

Thanks.

If common sense governs logics, then its very clear to see how these post users came flocking social media right at the same time that hugosway was launched. Literally as per whois records (Whois hugosway.com) Hugsway domain was bought on 23rd Feb and it was bought using Domains by Proxy (https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/) that lets people create domains without giving out any information about themselves.

Well that gets scary now. Why will hugosway want to get domains from “hide you identity” types of internet provider. Does it plan to run away with people’s money ???

Now lets make it even more interesting.

JAFX is also hosted with domainsbyproxy guys :joy: :rofl: seriously, isn’t that funny. Here is the link to their whois record Whois jafx.com

NOW doesn’t they all point to the same direction.

A broker opened in 2007 at a hosting company has all the technology, hosting and backend exactly the same as another broker opened in Mid 2018. Now this is not Forex bridge or LP connectivities that there are only a small number of providers to it. This is basic “Website” hosting provider for which we have hundred’s of providers and they still (after 10 years) choose to use the same hosting provider. That cannot be just a co-incidence

all offshore brokers hide there identity including the ones i use, you can check your broker here

This is similar to the way that I view things. As US residents, our options are severely limited. As a result, we have to work with what we have available to us.

When you look at the type of complaints that some people post about various brokers, the timing and circumstances that were happening when the issues occurred, and you see both sides of the story, it quickly becomes evident that a lot of the issues could have been avoided in the first place, or at the very least, are isolated cases. Some of the issues that people are posting about are not even the brokers’ fault. But when a newbie reads a thread and sees the word SCAM, they are quickly turned away by it, regardless of what kind of details were actually provided or what circumstances lead to the issue(s) in the first place. This does not even touch on issues relating to heavy-handed, cross-border regulatory attempts or arbitrary, red-tape banking procedures et al…

When you consider the probable amount of happy traders that continue to quietly use many of these brokers on a daily basis vs. the small number and severity of most of the complaints that get published, it becomes easier to sift through the nonsense. Not to say that this is applicable to all brokers, but even the best service providers in the world will have naysayers crying foul – regardless of what kind of business they are in.

The way that I look at it is this…if you are going to use an unregulated broker, then you need to take the necessary steps to mitigate your risks accordingly. That means that you do not trade with more money than you are comfortable with losing at the drop of a hat. That means that you pull out profits, regularly, in the event that a broker decides to bail without notice. You do NOT put all of your eggs in one basket. As soon as you double your account balance (or, as soon as you are able), you pull your profits out so that you are playing with house money. You should trade everyday with the idea that the broker might disappear or get shut down tomorrow. If you do these things, then it does not matter if this or that broker is a scammer in the end – get in, secure your profits as often and for as long as you can, then move on to the next one.

People need to be smart and use some common sense. They need to read and educate themselves.

That being said, risk is subjective. My level of risk-tolerance may differ from the next guy, and that is okay. Trading is not for everyone. Trading with an unregulated broker is definitely not for everyone. I also do not rely on trading to pay my rent/mortgage, so it may be easier for me to think the way that I do.

Anything that I allocate for trading is play money; it does not matter if I lose it. I certainly would never load up an account with 6-figures, borrow money, use living expenses and/or my life savings etc. to trade with an unregulated broker. That just seems reckless and unnecessary to me.

Comments regarding broker anonymity are moot, in my opinion. Why? Because, again, it does not matter if a broker turns out to be a scammer in the end, so long as I am being smart about things. Not only that, but many of these brokers that are choosing to skirt regulation, albeit for more profits, are actually a gift for us US-based traders. Without them, we would really be screwed. It is understandable that they are going to have to do some shady things and hide their identity in order to service clients that reside inside heavily-regulated jurisdictions. If a broker is paying people for good reviews to get more exposure, I really do not care…so long as I can be profitable with my trading through them. If I cannot, or something doesn’t seem right, fine…I move on to the next broker. I understand the reality that we face with these unregulated brokers.

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Exactly this. I also noticed that the individual in question was refunded his initial deposit, minus profits. That’s actually not that uncommon when and if a broker decides you’re no longer welcome on their brokerage. Regulated or not.

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<1 pip algo scalping in fast markets. This is mainly an issue with MM brokers with A/B books trading against clients but it can be problematic for STP brokers LPs if they are constantly taking losses hedging your trades.

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i agree with you, also i have no problem with offshore brokers hiding their identity that doesn’t make them a scam broker we know there is million reason why they will do so

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Here’s a FinProTrading account, and the commissions are so good that
even this micro scalping BOT (in Alpha testing mode) is making money,
so… how come you think they are [EDIT] ok, not greedy, on commish,
but not adequately committed to good customer service… [end EDIT]

This BOT is taking roughly 3.2 PIPs Targets… commissions, pricing
and spread are so good that it makes money, even with “the engine
idling” as we see here…

[EDIT] these results only using max 0.5 Lots, but the Buying
Power is 25 lots at 500:1 on a $5k account… anyway…
[EDIT2] Oops ! Sorry, it’s 400:1 at FinProTrading; I was getting
confused with Coinexx 500:1 and similar commission.

hyperscalper

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Sorry Hyper, I think you misunderstood what I was saying with that comment. It was in reference to their customer service and keeping customers in the dark about issues. I find it frustrating when the support team you’re speaking to in live chat tells you to email support. Or vague responses, I’ve worked in a similar field and know when someone’s not being upfront

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Excellent contributions everyone! I feel a lot less worried and have a new plan. We all know the importance of risk assessment on every trade, well there’s another risk we all need to account for with overseas trading and that’s broker risk. $100k spread out over 5 accounts makes a whole helluva lot more sense than all in one. If you’re earning 10% a month (non-compounded) on average across 5 accounts, you can have a broker go belly up every 2 months and still be even. That winning at the off-shore game!

LAF

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Agreed LAF, same can also be said with any “regulated” firm as well. Spread your risk out and don’t put all your cash in one casino. :sunglasses:

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I was looking more into the spreads that are being published on their website, and I think that there is a reporting error. There appears to be a 0004 difference, on average, between the spreads…and this goes both ways.

Since they are using Bitfinex for cryptocurrency, I can cross-check it with real-time spreads. The 0004 difference is not very noticeable for something like XRPUSD pair, since the valuation is much, much lower than BTC. But the BTCUSD pair shows an average spread gap of nearly $9, which is WAY too high. Bitfinex typically has a VERY low spread for this pair…usually around 0.

Likely an API/math error, but it could definitely be hurting their signups. The support rep opened a ticket to address the issue. I will report back when I hear something.

Ever since the BCH madness last week… I’ve been trading BTC & BCH at Evolve, the rest @ Hugo.

Do you use a custom developed EA to copy trades or something like MT4Copier? Does it adjust the position size/lots if the accounts are a different value, or do you have all accounts with the same balance? I want to run a similar setup and spread things out between all the offshore brokers to limit losses if one was to get shut down or have issues. Ideally I would like to enter a trade on MT4 on my phone and then have it mirrored to all the offshore accounts. Thank you!

Do they still entertain US clients, I thought they stopped taking them post 1broker incident

you trade with Hugosway ? I wouldn’t trade with a broker that is JAFX :no_mouth:

1broker and JAFX are lessons from which we should all learn

Yes that is correct and they have all the reasons to do it

But you didnt get the point (s)

something like i can open create a website telling them my name is small paul or vincent for that matter. And you and me both know we really arn’t these names :wink:

so these guys let you sign up without KYCing which other domain providers don’t do.

And right after 10 years hugosway signed up with these - now calling it a COINCIDENCE will be overstretching the poor noun

  • exactly same market conditions

  • precisely same errors

  • same ping speed

  • servers resting on the same address in US (the country that busted JAFX )

  • AND COINCIDENTALLY the same hosting solution provider

But they do have different addresses. And speaking of the address, hugosway address isnt even real, its PO Box number. and it belongs to these guys https://www.aaainternationalservices.com/ an offshore company set up firm.

I think we should drop the idea of adding them to the broker list like a hot potato

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