Going offshore to escape the CFTC

Tallinex told me, too, through email and chat session that existing US accounts are not affected by the ban on new American accounts. Glad I got in while “the getting was good.” Paul Callen in a previous comment mentioned that “major players,” as he described them, in the US regulators war on offshore brokers, sometimes “fight dirty,” to quote him. What he might have been referring to was that they themselves (who are supposedly very respectable in the opinion of the public) will, I guess, sometimes break one or more major laws to trigger steps by another major player to get at Tallinex, by trying to cripple or put a stranglehold on their financial operations if Tallinex did not cooperate with them. Just a reminder as to how nasty this war probably is “behind the scenes.”

Paul Callen was one of the most intelligent, articulate, and highly informed individuals I have ever seen on this forum. I doubt that he will be allowed to comment here as freely as he has done in the past. That is a real shame. Maybe we should all start to carefully censor more closely in the future what we say here because we might just be giving our enemy “more ammunition.”

Trump in a recent public interview pledged to dismantle Dodd Frank. Let us all vote for him and hope he wins.

Now THAT is the best news I’ve heard in years !!! That’d be fantastic if he got elected and then actually did that.

This is all very concerning. So what is the solution for US citizens? Move out of the country? Go under the radar with some kind of foreign address to have an account off shore? Jump in now with someone who is accepting US clients and hold on tight and hope you can stay? If the CFTC cracks down further…wouldn’t it shut down US brokers like fxcm? Why is this attack on FX and not stocks? Just as “risky” it not more if you ask me.

[QUOTE=“krisr;790124”]This is all very concerning. So what is the solution for US citizens? Move out of the country? Go under the radar with some kind of foreign address to have an account off shore? Jump in now with someone who is accepting US clients and hold on tight and hope you can stay? If the CFTC cracks down further…wouldn’t it shut down US brokers like fxcm? Why is this attack on FX and not stocks? Just as “risky” it not more if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Foreign address won’t help you. I have a home in Tokyo and Odessa Ukraine. It’s the USA citizenship that determines if you can’t trade or not. I lost my ACM and Swiss quote accounts when they started dropping USA citizens. No work around.

Very recently Clint asked if we should re-open voting and polling on “trusted brokers.” My immediate reaction then was yes, of course. I did not realize the serious thinking that Clint had put into that question. After thinking more about it,[B][I] especially after what happened to Tallinex[/I][/B], though, I have changed my mind 180 degrees. Commenters on this forum need to be constantly aware that what is presented here is also being presented to the predatory eyes of overzealous US regulators, and what they see probably goes through their minds over and over again if they think they can use that information to target another broker. What happened to Tallinex, a “trusted broker,” is prime and very painful evidence of that. First, I think that everyone here needs to make a printed or handwritten copy, [I]NOW OR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE[/I], of Clint’s Group One of offshore brokers accepting US traders in case that page suddenly and permanently disappears thanks to the zeal of the Dodd Franksters. Then, I think that we need to adopt a “go underground and stay underground” mentality concerning our comments here. By that I mean that we should completely and totally drop and forget about describing any broker as a Trusted Broker. That description needs to be deleted from Group One. That designation makes it super easy for the enemy to start targeting their next broker victim. Let the enemy try to figure out which brokers we consider the best. We should stop praising any broker and instead say only bad things about a broker if that broker warrants criticism so that we can avoid using that broker. From Clint’s Group One list we should assume that ALL of the brokers there are good and can be trusted. Traders can check out brokers on their own and do their own vetting instead of relying on other traders to openly share that information here with other traders [I]and with the enemy[/I]. Just from reading the past 200 pages of this forum new traders can gain a tremendous amount of information that will immediately help them decide which offshore broker to use. [I][B]I personally will try to remember to not praise any more brokers here, but will instead only criticize a broker to warn others about it, if that broker becomes a “bad actor.”
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I think everyone here needs to remember that these overzealous Dodd Franksters will not stop trying to target offshore brokers offering high leverage until everyone of them has some kind of sanction against them, and that this is a “fight to the financial death” for these very well paid government employees seeking pay raises, bonuses, promotions, and a big fat government pension after they retire.

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• In June 2015, there were 8 U.S. retail forex brokers, with market shares as follows:

FXCM - 34%
Gain Capital - 20%
Oanda - 19%
IBFX - 8%
Wedbush Securities - 8%
Interactive Brokers - 7%
MB Trading - 3%
RJ O’Brien - 0%

• By June 2016, the field had dwindled to 5 U.S. retail forex brokers, with market shares as follows:

FXCM - 34%
Oanda - 26%
Gain Capital - 25%
TD Ameritrade - 8%
Interactive Brokers - 7%

Not widely reported at the time, the days were numbered for TD Ameritrade and Interactive Brokers. Those two brokers are SEC-regulated broker-dealers (stock brokers), who also offered retail forex trading to their clients.

[B]On May 20, 2016, the SEC issued a ruling that said: effective July 31 SEC-regulated broker-dealers would no longer be permitted to offer retail forex products to their clients.[/B]

[I][B]LeapRate[/B][/I] picked up the story, and published AN ARTICLE on May 25, 2016.

At the time, I was unaware of this action by the SEC. And, as far as I know, there was no mention of it here in the forum until Jason Rogers, the FXCM rep, posted THIS on August 16.

The SEC action has forced TD Ameritrade and Interactive Brokers off the list of 5 brokers, above.

• [B]Now there are just 3 retail forex brokers licensed and regulated in the U.S.,[/B] with current market shares not yet reported:

FXCM -
Oanda -
Gain Capital -

If you are familiar with the monthly reports put out by the CFTC, titled [I]Selected FCM Financial Data,[/I] you know that various financial metrics are reported for Futures Commission Merchants (FCM’s) regulated by the CFTC. These firms are classified as follows.

FCM — commodity brokers (example: Advantage Futures LLC)
FCM-BD — commodity brokers who also deal in equities (example: Merrill Lynch)
FCM-RFD — retail forex exchange dealers (example: Gain Capital Group LLC)
FCM-SD — foreign exchange swaps dealers (example: RJ O’Brien Associates LLC)

Then, there are combinations of these designations, for example:

FCM-BD-SD — (example: JP Morgan Securities LLC)
FCM-RFD-SD — (example: FXCM)

(Note that these firms — the CFTC never refers to them as [I]brokers[/I] — all are referred to as FCM’s, which does not necessarily mean that they deal in futures; rather, it denotes that they are CFTC-regulated.)

The August 31, 2016, FCM Financial Data report (the most recent one issued) lists only 3 FCM-RFD firms (FXCM, Oanda, and Gain).

However, [I]Retail Forex Obligations[/I] (the far right-hand column of the table) are shown for 5 firms, including TD Ameritrade and Interactive Brokers, indicating that customers’ forex account balances at TD Ameritrade and Interactive Brokers had not yet been paid out, at the time that data for the August 31 report was compiled.

The September 30 report (which will be released in early November) is expected to show Retail Forex Obligations for only the 3 remaining U.S. retail forex brokers. Those figures will then be used to calculate the market shares of those 3 brokers.

At this time, we can guess that FXCM, Oanda, and Gain will each have about a third of the U.S. retail forex market.

We may never know how much cooperation, collusion, and/or coersion occurred between the CFTC and the SEC, resulting in the SEC ruling reported in the [I]LeapRate[/I] article, above. But, my guess is that these regulators work hand-in-hand with one another. It’s all part of a step-by-step campaign to destroy off-exchange retail forex trading, first in the U.S, and then if possible around the world.

The next-to-last paragraph in the [I]LeapRate[/I] article is chilling:

LeapRate spoke with a senior securities lawyer in the US who believes that this is likely just the first step by US regulators to possibly ban altogether highly leveraged retail forex trading. While the SEC might not have consulted with the futures and forex industry regulators (CFTC, NFA) in making its decision regarding the broker-dealers, those regulators will likely keep an eye on the SEC’s action – and it is not inconceivable that they could take similar action at some point in the future.

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Grumble, grumble, grumble…

Hearing things like this, true as is may be, makes me really angry. :frowning:

I have just heard that Traders Way is no longer accepting wire transfers from US or Canadian clients; they are suggesting customers move to FXChoice.

I’ve receive no such notice from Tradersway.com ? Where did you hear that?
hyperscalper

via email from Joe Carney, not to me personally (tho I have seen a pic of the text), but to a client in the USA who has a funded live account and wished to add to it.

Maybe it’s s change in their funding policy only. I just exchanged emails with an introducing partner for TradersWay. He contacted the broker and replied to my email, stating: [I][B]NO that is not true. I just had a chat with TWay concerning your PM and they assured me that they are accepting US Clients as always.

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Be advised that ForexBroker Inc., Inc will no longer broker retail clients. I confirmed this with them on the Live Chat and then called them up on the phone to re-verify. I am in the process of moving my money out from them. I had been with then for over 4 years.

Here is an excerpt from my Live Chat:

Welcome to Forex Broker Inc.
Jamie
Support Agent

Hello. Please note that trading is no longer available through us as we will change the services offered in the Forex Market. ForexBrokerInc will be turning into a Forex Portal and will remain supporting forex traders through various new channels, like for example, at the moment there is FxChoice.

Thanks for this information.

I have added a link to your post #3809 in the Forex Broker Inc listing on page #1.

If anyone can furnish additional information on Forex Broker Inc, please share it here.

I will leave the Forex Broker Inc listing where it is, in Group 1, for 2 or 3 days, and then remove it.

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Just had another chat with them few days ago, to re-confirm if everything was in order towards the system update because it has already been 3 weeks of suspended trading. They never answered me directly though. Several times, I have asked if current, old customers will remain in ForexBrokerInc. and whether they were moving accounts to FX Choice (they never made an official statement about FX Choice), and their response was consistently diverted towards “system updates will be complete soon”. Also, they were always telling me that ForexBrokerInc. services will continue. In other words, are they not telling us that they are shifting accounts and personal information to FX Choice without our consent? Now with your chat results, something fishy is going on, and the chat results are now coming in differently. Unprofessional. Suck it up and open with FXCM?

Yes, but a credit card is prohibitively expensive for 50k… and understandably the guy will not use bitcoin. So Joe suggested FXChoice…

I just went to the ForexBrokerInc.com website, and, if you click on “account types,” it forwards to FXChoice . I engaged live chat and asked, and they gave me a prepared statement:

Please note that trading is suspended with us and we do not plan to resume offering trading via ForexBrokerInc anytime soon. This does not mean that ForexBrokerInc is shutting down. ForexBrokerInc will be turning into a Forex Portal and will remain supporting forex traders through various new channels.
So in this regard we came to an agreement with one of the leading Forex Brokers on the market – FxChoice. You may check their offer here …

This is a good reason, in my opinion, to vote for Trump/Pence. While not addressing Forex directly, they will be repealing repressive regulations.

If the Republican nominee were other than Trump, I would be switching to the
party of less regulation… You might consider working on a 1099 basis for a friend
in a foreign country in a trading operation. Then just “bill” his company for
"services rendered" as a consultant. Yeah, pretty dismal. I had a partner for
a while outside the U.S. and then he literally died. The upside of that, was that
I completely reconsidered my trading plan, with the result that, today, I can just
about write myself a check. Now, back to the problem, there are still brokerages
who will deal with U.S. citizens and those brokerage relationships need to be
"cherished". A few months ago, I thought I detected a trend that more foreign
brokerages were opening up to U.S. persons; and I hope I was correct in my
"trend analysis" or hunch… LOL

hyperscalper

I don’t deal with this particular broker, and only jumped onto their web page
out of curiosity, to find this.

From ForexBrokerInc.com Company News page:

"As a trader of ForexBrokerInc, you may be aware of the recent changes to the provision of accepting new trades for execution at market exchanges.

ForexBrokerInc is unable to amend the current policy for discontinued acceptance of new orders until it is permissible to do so under renewed structure of its operations and trading platforms. The renewal of structures is expected to last until Friday, October 7 2016. Should the date of renewal change you will be notified further."

This is what struck me, and they apparently “rolled over” in the face of some sort of pressure:
“unable to amend the current policy for discontinued acceptance of new orders”

WTF happened to them? I’d like a brief summary from someone. Thanks.

hyperscalper

Hey Clint,

I’m sure you’re aware of this list. I just stumbled on it,
and don’t know whether it is in any way current…

https://www.earnforex.com/forex-brokers-us-traders/

hyperscalper