Going offshore to escape the CFTC

nicholishen · September 12, 2017, 11:21pm

I think these particular “technical issues” are reason enough to not trust any broker, and I don’t care who it is or what they offer or what their track-record was in the past.

I don’t believe for one second that the MT4 broker server would ever pass through rouge-data from a single LP when the aggregate bridge feed is showing better quotes (assuming they use more than one LP). One giant red-flag is that no other ECN broker suffered the same tech-issue from this “LP”. This means they’re either lying about their capabilities, lying about the nature of their technical issue, or they were only using a single (and exclusive) LP. Any one of those things is grounds for broker-divorce.

togr · September 13, 2017, 10:47am

The good news is they have fixed this issue.
The bad news is I recall when IcMarkets had the same issue it was repeating for weeks before they finally fisx it.
The worse news is they dont care to inform clients nor to compensate the losses

Cryptosurf · September 13, 2017, 2:20pm

A friend told me this am he was refunded by TW the amount lost during that slippage/outage.

I was in a small counter position (and asleep) at the time, so there was no loss for me.

GAINSBRAH · September 13, 2017, 2:23pm

Careful with offshore accounts. OECD and AEoI are crackign down on them.

HyperScalper · September 13, 2017, 6:06pm

FINPROTRADING update.

Well, as others have remarked, FinProTrading.com ECN Forex is about the best we U.S. persons have access to… However, I believe that their low commissions are likely due to using a small set of liquidity providers, maybe one such provider; and this is OK by me, EXCEPT that during the 21:00 - 23:00 time slot GMT they have ridiculously wide spreads. This is the Sydney session prior to Tokyo, I believe… On many of the oddball pairs like GBP/NZD and others in that category; we get 10, 20, 30 PIPs SPREADS Bid/Ask !!! So that’s a no-go no-trade-time-period for us.

[EDIT] just to make it clear. We are trading ONLY Forex and only the 28 major pairs; so this says nothing about FinProTrading’s other securities, symbols, offerings, etc…

But outside those hours, spreads are great, and their is no broker that can match their low commissions and detailed nature of their data feed.

So I don’t fully understand why spreads are so wide during lower liquidity conditions; and attribute it to a single or small number of liquidity providers. I am quite sure that other brokers, such as Tradersway who aggregate more LP’s (maybe) would be showing narrower spreads during those time periods.

I could come up with the actual data on this (since I do log it), and if I have time I will post it; BUT I want to make it clear that FinProTrading.com is an exceptional broker and my personal favorite of those which are accessible to us U.S. persons !

hyperscalper

[EDIT] appending a log of spreads during critical times here.

Ignore last 2 numbers, and focus on minimum|average|maximum
spread values (in PIPs) . You’ll see sometimes the AVERAGE
during the sampling period can be quite huge:

timestamp,2017-09-11 20:50:40,1505163040696, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.2,1.5,1.8,2887.2,47.0
AUDCHF,1.2,1.7,2.0,2622.8,64.0
AUDJPY,0.6,1.0,1.2,1511.7,38.0
AUDNZD,1.1,1.7,2.1,2302.2,33.0
AUDUSD,0.2,0.3,0.7,2950.9,31.0
CADCHF,1.7,2.1,2.2,2701.2,41.0
CADJPY,0.9,1.2,1.5,1898.6,33.0
CHFJPY,1.3,1.7,2.0,1779.2,33.0
EURAUD,1.4,1.9,2.5,1173.3,46.0
EURCAD,1.7,2.1,2.3,1657.8,41.0
EURCHF,1.0,1.3,1.6,1332.0,33.0
EURGBP,0.1,0.3,0.5,2311.1,46.0
EURJPY,0.5,0.7,0.9,257.2,62.0
EURNZD,2.3,2.7,2.8,2179.1,47.0
EURUSD,0.2,0.3,0.4,2034.4,31.0
GBPAUD,3.3,4.2,4.9,2361.1,38.0
GBPCAD,2.3,2.5,2.9,2103.4,38.0
GBPCHF,1.9,2.9,3.4,1770.4,38.0
GBPJPY,1.1,1.3,2.0,1335.5,32.0
GBPNZD,5.3,5.7,5.8,2860.3,63.0
GBPUSD,0.2,0.4,0.8,2948.4,46.0
NZDCAD,1.5,1.8,2.1,2443.9,46.0
NZDCHF,2.1,2.3,2.4,3222.5,41.0
NZDJPY,1.2,1.4,1.6,1710.8,33.0
NZDUSD,0.6,0.8,1.0,2483.4,33.0
USDCAD,0.6,1.1,1.4,2535.8,47.0
USDCHF,0.5,0.7,1.1,2292.0,41.0
USDJPY,0.1,0.1,0.3,2865.5,47.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 21:00:40,1505163640696, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,2.1,4.4,7.2,894.5,47.0
AUDCHF,1.1,2.2,5.8,1491.6,47.0
AUDJPY,2.0,3.5,7.1,854.7,47.0
AUDNZD,0.2,2.1,8.4,1478.0,37.0
AUDUSD,0.3,1.3,3.9,1095.2,45.0
CADCHF,2.0,6.0,12.0,881.6,47.0
CADJPY,1.8,4.2,7.3,941.9,47.0
CHFJPY,2.4,4.1,9.5,829.8,47.0
EURAUD,3.4,5.4,10.0,924.4,32.0
EURCAD,2.9,5.7,11.9,757.5,43.0
EURCHF,0.2,4.5,16.4,955.5,31.0
EURGBP,1.7,2.8,5.3,1036.9,33.0
EURJPY,2.1,3.8,6.5,889.4,31.0
EURNZD,3.7,6.5,12.7,891.2,43.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.4,2.2,1909.7,42.0
GBPAUD,5.4,5.9,7.2,700.3,24.0
GBPCAD,3.4,7.4,13.6,955.6,61.0
GBPCHF,4.1,7.3,13.5,576.7,24.0
GBPJPY,3.2,6.5,12.1,850.8,45.0
GBPNZD,6.5,7.9,8.9,477.0,24.0
GBPUSD,1.2,2.9,6.6,1349.8,25.0
NZDCAD,1.7,4.0,7.0,796.9,16.0
NZDCHF,2.1,2.8,7.7,1029.5,32.0
NZDJPY,1.6,3.9,6.9,842.5,47.0
NZDUSD,0.4,2.3,4.7,915.5,33.0
USDCAD,1.4,2.7,7.4,1179.5,43.0
USDCHF,0.3,1.6,4.8,1420.0,47.0
USDJPY,0.8,2.4,3.8,964.9,45.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 21:10:40,1505164240697, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.3,2.4,3.2,3798.9,125.0
AUDCHF,16.2,18.2,22.6,6728.3,62.0
AUDJPY,1.7,2.3,3.2,2095.3,62.0
AUDNZD,2.9,4.5,5.4,3418.4,99.0
AUDUSD,0.5,1.2,1.8,6950.9,45.0
CADCHF,18.2,22.5,27.1,6535.3,109.0
CADJPY,2.3,3.3,4.9,2326.1,77.0
CHFJPY,18.3,20.4,22.4,2727.2,125.0
EURAUD,3.4,4.1,4.6,2197.8,47.0
EURCAD,3.0,3.7,4.3,2736.4,125.0
EURCHF,3.2,7.7,25.6,6474.5,31.0
EURGBP,2.3,3.0,3.6,2578.0,62.0
EURJPY,1.8,2.5,4.9,2183.0,62.0
EURNZD,3.3,4.1,5.8,2919.5,109.0
EURUSD,0.4,0.7,1.0,2930.5,47.0
GBPAUD,6.4,7.2,8.0,6945.9,44.0
GBPCAD,5.5,6.4,7.7,2198.9,125.0
GBPCHF,5.0,9.1,13.5,7028.4,47.0
GBPJPY,4.1,4.8,6.9,1935.9,77.0
GBPNZD,7.0,8.6,10.8,7020.8,33.0
GBPUSD,0.4,1.2,1.5,2906.1,62.0
NZDCAD,2.0,3.3,4.4,4593.8,109.0
NZDCHF,16.2,22.0,30.6,6527.2,78.0
NZDJPY,1.4,2.2,2.9,2235.5,77.0
NZDUSD,0.7,1.9,3.0,6707.5,59.0
USDCAD,0.4,1.3,2.1,3780.8,125.0
USDCHF,4.5,5.8,6.7,6578.8,154.0
USDJPY,0.6,2.0,5.0,2710.6,15.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 21:20:16,1505164816404, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,2.2,2.6,3.0,1915.8,63.0
AUDCHF,8.3,8.6,9.1,2816.9,31.0
AUDJPY,1.9,2.2,2.4,1341.8,41.0
AUDNZD,2.3,3.6,4.2,3411.2,78.0
AUDUSD,0.9,1.0,1.1,2891.7,15.0
CADCHF,8.4,9.3,9.7,3055.0,31.0
CADJPY,1.8,2.7,4.2,3640.8,15.0
CHFJPY,7.9,9.2,11.4,2959.2,31.0
EURAUD,3.6,4.0,4.4,817.5,15.0
EURCAD,3.5,4.0,4.5,681.6,15.0
EURCHF,1.5,7.2,16.0,4554.6,16.0
EURGBP,2.8,3.4,3.9,1149.5,15.0
EURJPY,1.6,2.0,2.1,1299.8,57.0
EURNZD,3.3,3.5,3.8,1087.2,15.0
EURUSD,0.3,0.7,1.1,890.3,15.0
GBPAUD,4.3,6.5,6.8,3180.2,15.0
GBPCAD,5.4,5.6,5.9,2558.3,57.0
GBPCHF,6.5,14.3,24.4,2756.4,14.0
GBPJPY,4.2,4.3,4.6,1250.5,16.0
GBPNZD,6.8,7.1,7.5,3344.5,63.0
GBPUSD,0.8,1.1,1.5,3377.4,24.0
NZDCAD,3.1,3.5,3.7,3911.0,15.0
NZDCHF,8.3,10.8,14.4,2623.9,31.0
NZDJPY,1.9,2.2,2.4,2982.2,31.0
NZDUSD,1.0,1.2,1.9,21244.8,108.0
USDCAD,0.7,1.7,2.2,6628.8,78.0
USDCHF,1.3,6.4,15.9,2199.1,15.0
USDJPY,0.4,0.8,2.4,4301.4,16.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 21:40:18,1505166018345, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,2.3,2.6,3.2,2869.3,47.0
AUDCHF,1.0,3.8,8.5,13162.5,47.0
AUDJPY,2.2,2.5,3.0,1082.5,31.0
AUDNZD,1.6,2.0,2.4,3144.2,47.0
AUDUSD,0.3,0.6,0.9,3652.1,60.0
CADCHF,1.0,2.4,9.6,34165.1,110.0
CADJPY,1.0,1.2,1.9,8378.1,125.0
CHFJPY,5.5,6.0,7.0,4017.4,56.0
EURAUD,3.0,3.4,3.8,704.1,93.0
EURCAD,3.5,3.7,4.2,1865.9,15.0
EURCHF,1.0,2.0,3.3,10877.8,155.0
EURGBP,1.7,2.0,2.2,1990.0,15.0
EURJPY,1.1,1.8,2.1,1161.6,31.0
EURNZD,2.2,2.8,3.2,2334.5,18.0
EURUSD,0.2,0.2,0.2,2183.3,18.0
GBPAUD,4.6,5.1,6.2,1897.5,31.0
GBPCAD,5.6,6.0,6.2,2556.1,47.0
GBPCHF,9.0,10.0,10.4,2903.6,30.0
GBPJPY,3.3,3.9,4.6,1442.2,31.0
GBPNZD,6.9,7.7,8.5,3306.5,47.0
GBPUSD,1.0,1.1,1.5,20027.3,3203.0
NZDCAD,1.0,2.6,3.1,5580.4,30.0
NZDCHF,1.0,5.4,10.6,9460.3,110.0
NZDJPY,1.6,2.1,2.7,3048.8,47.0
NZDUSD,0.6,1.0,1.3,6394.3,47.0
USDCAD,1.0,1.2,2.1,25085.9,47.0
USDCHF,1.0,1.6,4.5,30832.4,578.0
USDJPY,0.1,1.0,1.3,2844.8,64.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 21:50:18,1505166618384, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,2.3,2.5,2.9,2971.2,155.0
AUDCHF,6.6,7.1,8.5,4720.5,78.0
AUDJPY,1.5,1.8,2.3,972.8,45.0
AUDNZD,2.2,2.8,3.3,6562.5,125.0
AUDUSD,0.6,0.8,1.0,6246.1,60.0
CADCHF,6.6,8.6,9.6,4435.9,78.0
CADJPY,0.9,1.2,1.5,2626.9,31.0
CHFJPY,6.2,6.8,7.6,1570.2,45.0
EURAUD,2.1,2.5,3.6,821.6,47.0
EURCAD,3.1,3.4,3.6,2617.5,47.0
EURCHF,1.1,2.5,5.5,3891.1,43.0
EURGBP,1.9,2.1,2.2,3817.7,77.0
EURJPY,0.9,1.1,1.4,1573.4,47.0
EURNZD,2.9,3.3,3.7,1258.8,47.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.4,0.7,985.9,31.0
GBPAUD,6.0,6.6,7.1,2580.0,47.0
GBPCAD,5.6,6.8,7.3,5843.7,47.0
GBPCHF,6.9,8.2,9.6,4626.5,34.0
GBPJPY,3.4,3.7,4.1,5023.9,78.0
GBPNZD,7.9,8.7,9.0,7571.1,187.0
GBPUSD,1.0,1.3,1.6,24828.0,1579.0
NZDCAD,2.1,3.1,3.5,8561.4,30.0
NZDCHF,8.1,8.8,9.5,4886.7,78.0
NZDJPY,1.6,1.8,2.0,2834.5,31.0
NZDUSD,0.8,1.2,1.6,12512.8,47.0
USDCAD,1.0,1.5,1.9,13639.1,16.0
USDCHF,3.0,3.6,4.5,4240.8,34.0
USDJPY,0.3,0.6,0.7,4423.8,45.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:00:18,1505167218383, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,2.9,3.7,4.7,2209.8,46.0
AUDCHF,4.6,6.0,8.5,3707.7,8.0
AUDJPY,1.7,2.3,3.3,836.7,8.0
AUDNZD,2.1,4.0,4.8,1002.8,15.0
AUDUSD,0.4,0.9,1.6,997.2,16.0
CADCHF,4.1,5.8,8.5,2250.2,15.0
CADJPY,1.6,2.2,2.8,1214.5,32.0
CHFJPY,3.5,4.3,5.1,196.1,8.0
EURAUD,1.3,3.9,5.6,1330.2,16.0
EURCAD,0.6,2.5,3.7,730.3,16.0
EURCHF,2.6,4.3,5.7,3329.7,15.0
EURGBP,2.1,2.7,3.4,1124.2,16.0
EURJPY,0.9,1.2,1.7,303.0,8.0
EURNZD,3.1,4.6,6.1,713.6,16.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.6,1.1,1446.6,15.0
GBPAUD,5.5,8.5,9.1,2327.8,15.0
GBPCAD,5.4,6.8,7.3,1167.0,16.0
GBPCHF,5.7,7.2,8.5,1106.6,31.0
GBPJPY,2.0,3.5,4.7,714.7,16.0
GBPNZD,7.3,10.0,17.8,3381.2,16.0
GBPUSD,0.2,1.4,2.3,23232.1,32.0
NZDCAD,3.0,3.7,4.3,1295.9,16.0
NZDCHF,4.0,5.3,5.8,631.2,15.0
NZDJPY,1.8,3.1,4.5,238.6,8.0
NZDUSD,1.2,1.9,2.2,2634.5,16.0
USDCAD,1.5,2.2,3.1,1665.8,16.0
USDCHF,1.2,2.3,3.3,3008.9,31.0
USDJPY,0.6,0.9,1.8,732.6,8.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:10:18,1505167818383, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.8,2.1,2.3,1162.0,22.0
AUDCHF,1.3,2.2,2.4,2163.9,23.0
AUDJPY,1.7,1.9,2.3,1320.6,14.0
AUDNZD,1.5,2.0,2.5,1560.9,2.0
AUDUSD,0.4,0.6,0.7,1371.4,14.0
CADCHF,2.1,2.5,2.9,1112.8,32.0
CADJPY,1.5,2.0,2.6,1030.9,5.0
CHFJPY,2.0,2.6,3.0,1347.2,14.0
EURAUD,2.1,2.9,3.3,1024.2,14.0
EURCAD,2.0,2.7,3.2,798.9,31.0
EURCHF,1.5,1.6,2.0,886.1,14.0
EURGBP,0.8,1.2,1.5,857.8,5.0
EURJPY,0.6,0.9,1.2,611.1,14.0
EURNZD,2.8,3.7,4.3,1065.2,14.0
EURUSD,0.2,0.3,0.5,806.4,14.0
GBPAUD,5.0,5.5,5.9,1702.5,2.0
GBPCAD,3.2,3.7,3.9,786.6,14.0
GBPCHF,3.2,4.1,4.2,823.1,14.0
GBPJPY,2.2,2.6,2.9,798.1,14.0
GBPNZD,6.8,8.5,9.5,2262.8,13.0
GBPUSD,0.3,0.7,0.9,1062.4,5.0
NZDCAD,1.7,2.6,3.2,1166.1,31.0
NZDCHF,2.5,3.0,3.1,1705.9,14.0
NZDJPY,1.7,1.9,2.2,1068.3,2.0
NZDUSD,0.9,1.2,1.6,965.9,2.0
USDCAD,0.5,0.8,1.3,753.0,31.0
USDCHF,0.5,1.1,1.3,1956.6,27.0
USDJPY,0.1,0.4,0.8,867.6,14.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:20:18,1505168418384, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.0,1.5,2.1,2457.5,15.0
AUDCHF,1.4,1.8,2.1,3742.2,16.0
AUDJPY,1.3,1.7,1.9,1574.5,16.0
AUDNZD,1.5,1.9,2.5,876.1,16.0
AUDUSD,0.4,0.6,0.7,1204.0,16.0
CADCHF,1.7,2.1,2.3,2485.6,31.0
CADJPY,1.2,1.6,2.0,1705.9,31.0
CHFJPY,1.5,1.9,2.2,2368.4,15.0
EURAUD,2.3,2.8,3.1,1805.0,14.0
EURCAD,1.6,2.3,2.8,1646.2,15.0
EURCHF,1.7,1.9,2.1,2515.2,14.0
EURGBP,0.7,0.9,1.2,1368.0,16.0
EURJPY,0.4,0.9,1.3,672.3,2.0
EURNZD,3.0,3.7,4.0,1389.2,16.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.4,0.5,1792.3,31.0
GBPAUD,3.7,4.5,5.0,2928.4,16.0
GBPCAD,2.4,2.8,3.2,1023.1,26.0
GBPCHF,2.7,3.4,4.1,4209.9,31.0
GBPJPY,1.3,1.8,2.3,757.0,16.0
GBPNZD,6.5,7.7,8.4,5018.6,14.0
GBPUSD,0.2,0.6,0.8,1094.4,16.0
NZDCAD,1.6,2.2,2.5,1813.0,16.0
NZDCHF,2.4,2.9,3.1,2528.6,17.0
NZDJPY,1.7,2.0,2.4,1094.7,16.0
NZDUSD,0.7,0.9,1.0,1063.3,16.0
USDCAD,0.5,0.8,1.0,1522.0,16.0
USDCHF,0.7,1.0,1.2,2612.5,14.0
USDJPY,0.1,0.3,0.6,703.8,15.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:30:18,1505169018383, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.2,1.7,2.1,3530.2,62.0
AUDCHF,1.2,1.8,2.2,3421.7,47.0
AUDJPY,1.3,1.6,2.0,2876.5,15.0
AUDNZD,1.3,2.0,2.6,2791.1,14.0
AUDUSD,0.2,0.5,0.7,2745.9,47.0
CADCHF,1.5,1.8,2.0,2516.9,14.0
CADJPY,1.2,1.5,1.8,2948.0,16.0
CHFJPY,1.4,2.0,2.7,4335.7,31.0
EURAUD,2.0,2.5,2.9,2413.8,48.0
EURCAD,1.4,1.8,2.3,1571.2,47.0
EURCHF,1.0,1.6,1.8,1601.4,31.0
EURGBP,0.7,1.0,1.1,1958.4,30.0
EURJPY,0.5,0.8,1.0,1347.5,15.0
EURNZD,2.1,2.8,3.5,2999.5,15.0
EURUSD,0.2,0.3,0.5,2107.6,16.0
GBPAUD,4.0,4.8,5.4,2058.8,46.0
GBPCAD,2.5,2.9,3.6,1812.7,15.0
GBPCHF,3.0,3.9,4.4,2941.7,14.0
GBPJPY,1.6,2.0,2.5,2558.6,15.0
GBPNZD,6.9,7.9,8.8,5013.6,47.0
GBPUSD,0.6,1.0,1.3,2521.9,15.0
NZDCAD,1.9,2.3,2.6,2894.8,32.0
NZDCHF,2.3,2.6,2.8,4100.0,47.0
NZDJPY,1.6,1.7,1.9,2814.1,15.0
NZDUSD,0.4,0.9,1.0,1889.5,31.0
USDCAD,0.5,0.9,1.0,1571.1,15.0
USDCHF,0.7,0.9,1.1,5072.3,46.0
USDJPY,0.2,0.3,0.5,2454.8,14.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:40:18,1505169618399, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.2,1.6,2.1,2126.7,31.0
AUDCHF,1.5,1.8,2.1,3468.4,30.0
AUDJPY,1.3,1.7,1.9,1531.9,30.0
AUDNZD,1.4,1.8,2.3,1945.6,30.0
AUDUSD,0.3,0.5,0.6,1488.6,16.0
CADCHF,1.6,1.8,2.1,3743.3,16.0
CADJPY,0.9,1.1,1.6,3130.0,46.0
CHFJPY,1.6,2.0,2.3,3588.9,16.0
EURAUD,2.1,2.4,2.8,1705.2,15.0
EURCAD,1.6,1.9,2.2,3382.7,31.0
EURCHF,1.5,1.8,2.2,4094.2,47.0
EURGBP,0.8,0.9,1.0,4093.8,16.0
EURJPY,0.4,0.6,0.9,1454.2,16.0
EURNZD,1.7,2.6,3.2,2714.7,47.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.3,0.4,1638.9,5.0
GBPAUD,3.8,4.5,5.2,2334.7,31.0
GBPCAD,2.9,3.2,3.6,2117.5,16.0
GBPCHF,2.7,3.4,4.0,5570.8,30.0
GBPJPY,1.7,2.1,2.6,2073.0,16.0
GBPNZD,6.1,7.2,8.2,3350.2,16.0
GBPUSD,0.7,0.8,0.9,579.9,16.0
NZDCAD,1.6,2.0,2.4,2426.1,16.0
NZDCHF,1.5,2.6,2.9,2897.5,16.0
NZDJPY,1.0,1.6,1.9,1525.6,17.0
NZDUSD,0.6,0.9,1.2,2148.4,30.0
USDCAD,0.7,0.9,1.0,2278.8,16.0
USDCHF,0.7,1.0,1.1,5053.6,30.0
USDJPY,0.2,0.3,0.5,903.3,13.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 22:50:18,1505170218457, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.0,1.7,2.0,4836.6,16.0
AUDCHF,1.1,1.5,1.8,5599.9,47.0
AUDJPY,1.3,1.5,1.8,2283.0,16.0
AUDNZD,0.8,1.2,1.9,3984.1,16.0
AUDUSD,0.2,0.5,0.7,3840.5,16.0
CADCHF,1.5,1.9,2.2,4386.9,16.0
CADJPY,0.8,1.2,1.8,3778.3,15.0
CHFJPY,1.4,2.0,2.2,3075.6,17.0
EURAUD,1.7,2.1,2.6,3408.9,16.0
EURCAD,1.9,2.3,2.6,2888.3,15.0
EURCHF,1.4,1.7,2.1,3285.6,15.0
EURGBP,0.8,0.9,1.0,3133.1,16.0
EURJPY,0.5,0.7,0.9,580.6,11.0
EURNZD,2.3,3.0,3.7,3870.0,16.0
EURUSD,0.2,0.3,0.4,3049.1,16.0
GBPAUD,3.7,4.4,4.9,5634.3,45.0
GBPCAD,3.2,3.5,3.8,4050.5,16.0
GBPCHF,2.6,3.2,3.7,6858.5,16.0
GBPJPY,1.6,2.0,2.3,2204.8,15.0
GBPNZD,5.3,6.2,6.9,5919.6,16.0
GBPUSD,0.7,0.8,1.0,1817.2,17.0
NZDCAD,1.8,2.2,2.5,4391.4,16.0
NZDCHF,2.0,2.3,2.5,4059.7,16.0
NZDJPY,1.2,1.5,1.8,1647.0,11.0
NZDUSD,0.4,0.8,1.0,2160.3,16.0
USDCAD,0.7,1.0,1.2,4734.6,16.0
USDCHF,0.5,0.8,1.1,4473.2,28.0
USDJPY,0.2,0.3,0.5,1482.5,16.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 23:00:18,1505170818468, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,1.4,1.7,2.0,3707.3,7.0
AUDCHF,1.0,1.3,1.9,3198.7,10.0
AUDJPY,1.1,1.3,1.7,2482.8,32.0
AUDNZD,1.0,1.4,1.9,2627.8,35.0
AUDUSD,0.3,0.5,0.7,3218.3,10.0
CADCHF,1.5,2.0,2.2,2457.4,31.0
CADJPY,1.0,1.2,1.6,2128.6,18.0
CHFJPY,1.1,1.4,1.7,2198.0,46.0
EURAUD,1.7,2.1,2.6,3968.8,10.0
EURCAD,1.9,2.2,2.6,2014.1,27.0
EURCHF,1.0,1.5,1.8,1714.7,35.0
EURGBP,0.6,1.0,1.2,1992.2,20.0
EURJPY,0.3,0.5,0.7,1281.9,15.0
EURNZD,1.9,2.4,3.0,1226.6,15.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.3,0.6,2079.9,15.0
GBPAUD,3.4,4.1,4.6,2872.5,30.0
GBPCAD,2.1,2.8,3.3,2507.0,20.0
GBPCHF,1.7,3.2,3.6,3397.7,31.0
GBPJPY,1.3,1.7,2.2,1976.9,31.0
GBPNZD,4.8,5.8,6.4,2510.2,30.0
GBPUSD,0.4,0.6,0.8,1793.3,15.0
NZDCAD,1.5,1.9,2.3,2576.6,12.0
NZDCHF,1.5,2.0,2.3,1795.6,30.0
NZDJPY,1.0,1.3,1.8,1372.3,15.0
NZDUSD,0.6,0.8,1.0,1789.8,15.0
USDCAD,0.8,1.0,1.3,2923.0,32.0
USDCHF,0.4,0.9,1.2,2551.1,32.0
USDJPY,0.2,0.3,0.5,1987.0,30.0
timestamp,2017-09-11 23:10:18,1505171418498, symbol min|avg|max|rateAvgMsecs|rateMinMsecs spread pips
AUDCAD,0.7,1.3,1.7,3015.0,16.0
AUDCHF,0.9,1.2,1.6,3119.2,16.0
AUDJPY,0.7,1.0,1.3,2775.6,16.0
AUDNZD,0.4,0.9,1.5,1901.4,31.0
AUDUSD,0.2,0.4,0.6,2686.2,16.0
CADCHF,1.5,1.9,2.2,3342.5,16.0
CADJPY,0.4,1.1,1.4,4257.0,13.0
CHFJPY,1.2,1.7,2.2,4608.0,16.0
EURAUD,1.5,1.8,2.1,2655.0,15.0
EURCAD,1.7,2.1,2.4,2907.3,16.0
EURCHF,1.2,1.5,1.9,3625.2,15.0
EURGBP,0.4,0.7,0.9,1937.8,15.0
EURJPY,0.2,0.5,0.8,2795.3,12.0
EURNZD,1.1,1.8,2.5,1802.3,30.0
EURUSD,0.1,0.2,0.4,3029.8,28.0
GBPAUD,3.1,3.5,4.0,2593.9,47.0
GBPCAD,2.0,2.6,2.9,3994.7,15.0
GBPCHF,2.3,3.0,3.5,4826.1,15.0
GBPJPY,1.5,1.7,2.0,3153.9,16.0
GBPNZD,4.1,4.9,5.4,2897.3,16.0
GBPUSD,0.6,0.7,1.0,2906.7,62.0
NZDCAD,1.0,1.6,2.0,1983.3,30.0
NZDCHF,1.6,1.9,2.4,2385.0,30.0
NZDJPY,1.0,1.3,1.5,1701.7,47.0
NZDUSD,0.5,0.8,1.0,1444.7,16.0
USDCAD,0.5,0.8,1.0,2895.8,16.0
USDCHF,0.4,0.8,1.1,3829.2,15.0
USDJPY,0.1,0.2,0.4,3257.3,16.0

vinzorelli · September 13, 2017, 11:52pm

I’ve signed up with FinPro recently after sifting through this thread and reading your reviews.
I’m pleased with the spreads and execution (although commissions are $4/lot on their ECN account) but I also noticed something that I’ve submitted to support.

Their live server opened 5 minutes later than usual on Sunday, which caused all their candles to be shifted by 5 minutes. The price is current, but the candlestick formation is wrong. This is noticeable even comparing their Demo server.

I was going to paste pictures but my status is too new lol.
You can log in and check USDJPY 15 minute or 5 minute feed on both Demo and Live servers and you will notice the different candlestick formation, pay attention to the wicks.

HyperScalper · September 14, 2017, 12:00am

Hmmm good info. I don’t really pay much strict attention to Candles but interesting…

hyperscalper

Cryptosurf · September 14, 2017, 1:36am

Finpro/Turnkey server time is also NY+3hrs so the daily candle may look a little off. Plus they paint a separate candle for Sunday as well. Not really a big deal for me just had to tweak a few things on my setup for the adjustment.

Overall pretty happy with them, great spreads plus margins on energy and metals are great.

vinzorelli · September 14, 2017, 3:08am

I just checked and I’m pretty sure their server is GMT which is EST + 4. Currently 3:05 GMT, same time is displayed on MT4. And right now it’s 11.05pm in NY.

Agree their spreads and margin on metals are great.

HyperScalper · September 14, 2017, 4:42am

FinProTrading server is GMT…

hyperscalper

bobmaninc · September 14, 2017, 5:13am

I have been using TW and not had any issue like mentioned. I am in Florida so that might be why.

Raul24 · September 15, 2017, 11:55pm

Hi all!

I am new to Forex trading and just discovered this thread. I am currently trading a demo account with Capital City Markets and am not impressed by them. I was researching Offshore brokers and, based on the low costs, I chose to look more into FinPro Trading. I had a couple of chats with them and I felt that some of the information they are presenting regarding regulation and commissions have been deceiving and inconsistent. They have no regulation and they were quoting the commission on an ECN account as one way while the VIP account is round trip. The term sheets look exactly the same!!! I then found this chat and some of my concerns have been alleviated.

I opened a Demo account with FinPro Trading and noticed that the broker was actually Turnkey Forex. I found that company’s website, which is less informative than FinPro Trading, but noticed that the account structure is very close to FinPro Trading, including the names of the account. According to the FAQ, they accept US customers. However, I have noticed some differences which make Turnkey more attractive

ECN Acct:

Leverage - FinPro_ 400:1 Turnkey 200:1
Commission - FinPro_ $4 Per 100K one way Turnkey $2 Per 100K one way
Spreads - I believe they average 0.2 Pips on the EURUSD for both
Deposit Bonus - Both will provide 100% match up to $20K

VIP Account (25K initial deposit):

Leverage - FinPro 100:1 Turnkey 100:1
Commission - FinPro $2 Per 100K round trip (as stated to me on chat) Turnkey $2 (not stated if OW or RT)
Spreads - I believe they average 0.2 Pips on the EURUSD for both
Deposit Bonus - FinPro None Turnkey 100% match up to $20K

Based on those facts, I my questions are:

Does anyone have any experience with Turnkey? Are they related to FinPro? If so, how?
Are the people at Turnkey reputable?
Does anyone know what there company’s really charge in commission on these accounts? Do I need to open a demo account on each one to get the true answer?
Based on the ability to receive a 100% deposit bonus match of $20K, the Turnkey VIP account looks the most attractive. What should I be concern about?

Thank you all for you help!

Cryptosurf · September 16, 2017, 2:57pm

If you scroll up, there’s plenty discussed about Finpro/Turnkey.

I believe Finpro is an IB via Turnkey. Finpro has a few different instruments offered then Turnkey, like WTI and DAX futures and NGAS spot.

I have live accounts with both but mostly trade with Finpro for their great spreads/margins on energy and metals. Haven’t had any problems with them at all.

HyperScalper · September 17, 2017, 1:23pm

FinProTrading is very good; however see my earlier comments on wide spreads during the Asian session. They have very low commissions but, as I speculated, due to very favorable deal with liquidity provider(s) and could certainly benefit from additional "competition" between liquidity providers to keep the spreads down during those infrequent situations where wide spreads are seen.

Having said that, we're putting more eggs into their basket, mainly due to execution speed and low commission; so high value lot size trades can scalp for shorter targets with their very favorable Commission costs and very quick execution.

[EDIT] I had meant to advise against taking a Bonus. Why would anyone do that given the high leverages available? Normally you'll get 400:1 at FinProTrading on simple request.

[EDIT2] https://turnkeyforex.com/faq/ describes a wide range of liquidity providers; but I do not know whether our FinProTrading is using that full set of providers or not. I've complained about unusually wide spreads during the 2 hour dead period of the day, and I wouldn't have expected that from all the providers TurnkeyFX lists. ? Their Rollover period is 21.00 GMT and for that 2 hour period there can be wide spreads; otherwise, very good.

hyperscalper

vinzorelli · September 17, 2017, 3:40pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but my commissions on ECN are $4/per turn so $8 per lot round-turn. Have you been able to get lower?

Thanks

HyperScalper · September 17, 2017, 4:20pm

My understanding is that it is $2 / side = $4 per round turn.

[EDIT] sometimes this may be shown in a misleading manner in the MT4 platform?..

[EDIT2] I discussed this with another of our “trusted brokers” and was told they were unable to compete with those low commissions.

hyperscalper

vinzorelli · September 17, 2017, 4:36pm

Just reviewed this page:
https://finprotrading.com/ecn-account

And checked my statements. Def $8 per round turn.

HyperScalper · September 17, 2017, 4:37pm

FINPROTRADING EXECUTION TIMES SLOWING DOWN ?

Just grepping through the log file on one VPS, I am less than
impressed by the execution times we are seeing. In the past
I believe they were very much faster, so I’ll see what FinProTrading
says about this. I want to see times in the 200-300 msec
ranges.

If I pull up the “Journal” tab of the terminal in one of the parallel
processing terminal instances, it says we are 1.37 milliseconds
from their servers, as the VPS is in Amsterdam. So, to me, these
are not great execution times.

This VPS has 6 Xeon processors, so I don’t think concurrency
issues should have any impact on the delays. Measuring the
time in Milliseconds from initiation of an order operation, to the
return from the operation call (MT4 is synchronous) so we use
parallel processes through the NJ4X.com API framework, and
have 4 MT4 terminal.exe processes allocated here, which operate
concurrently, in parallel.

[EDIT] (some of the much longer times may be due to automatic re-try
on order request rejections…)

[EDIT2] After some research and comparing that account with another one,
there is definitely an issue with the particular account setup, so it pays
to check these things, I guess.

hyperscalper

C:\HyperScalper\apps\tt-multi>cat ttbeta.log | grep -i orderop
[20170912-00:30:15.381(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 543
[20170912-00:30:56.413(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 96
[20170912-00:36:00.428(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 67
[20170912-00:36:00.866(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 428
[20170912-00:36:00.866(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 438
[20170912-00:59:29.236(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 441
[20170912-01:02:44.533(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 112
[20170912-01:27:13.660(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 419
[20170912-01:30:52.738(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 32
[20170912-01:33:11.129(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 39
[20170912-01:33:14.895(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 39
[20170912-01:33:15.363(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 478
[20170912-08:27:25.919(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 1577
[20170912-08:27:31.466(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 206
[20170912-08:27:44.013(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 460
[20170912-08:29:03.544(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 52
[20170912-08:29:04.732(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 721
[20170912-08:29:04.747(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1207
[20170912-08:29:04.763(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 741
[20170912-08:29:04.779(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1234
[20170912-08:34:14.700(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 1702
[20170912-08:36:43.794(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 15
[20170912-08:36:44.325(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 517
[20170912-08:36:44.419(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 296
[20170912-17:45:50.593(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 515
[20170912-18:03:45.468(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 501
[20170912-18:20:44.624(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 23
[20170912-18:29:23.733(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 515
[20170912-18:39:09.655(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 451
[20170912-18:47:05.570(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 1829
[20170912-18:55:18.038(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 553
[20170912-18:56:12.038(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 1173
[20170912-18:57:50.820(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 456
[20170912-18:59:38.116(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 657
[20170912-19:08:44.070(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 1219
[20170912-19:11:29.554(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 437
[20170912-19:13:12.695(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 1468
[20170912-19:14:10.116(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 436
[20170912-19:15:12.804(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 151
[20170912-19:15:13.226(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 413
[20170912-19:15:13.335(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 519
[20170912-19:15:13.335(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1
[20170912-19:15:13.335(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 522
[20170912-19:15:13.335(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 111
[20170912-19:15:13.507(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 566
[20170912-19:17:36.616(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 503
[20170912-19:18:23.757(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 484
[20170912-19:19:07.179(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 952
[20170912-19:22:03.538(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 139
[20170912-19:22:05.116(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1581
[20170912-19:22:05.116(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 4
[20170912-19:22:05.132(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1593
[20170912-19:22:05.132(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1602
[20170912-19:22:05.320(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1747
[20170912-20:44:38.486(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 464
[20170912-20:50:04.861(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 436
[20170912-20:52:47.955(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 112
[20170912-20:55:13.174(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 90
[20170912-20:55:13.268(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 92
[20170912-20:59:40.752(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 37
[20170912-20:59:41.252(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 501
[20170912-20:59:41.252(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 501
[20170912-20:59:41.361(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 268
[20170912-20:59:41.361(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 269
[20170913-00:00:44.096(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 1131
[20170913-00:02:41.893(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 225
[20170913-00:02:43.721(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1837
[20170913-00:02:43.815(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1684
[20170913-00:52:30.329(GMT)] Sell Market OrderOp elapsed: 438
[20170913-00:52:49.204(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 106
[20170913-00:57:23.250(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 48
[20170913-00:57:23.641(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 394
[20170913-00:57:23.766(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 512
[20170913-00:57:23.829(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 563
[20170913-00:57:23.844(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 578
[20170913-01:07:29.266(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 78
[20170913-01:07:36.797(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 102
[20170913-01:07:36.875(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 81
[20170913-01:07:59.000(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 62
[20170913-01:14:02.157(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 103
[20170913-01:14:02.250(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 82
[20170913-18:56:05.514(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 149
[20170913-18:56:27.435(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 72
[20170913-19:21:33.482(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 46
[20170913-19:21:33.623(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 108
[20170913-19:21:33.623(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 139
[20170913-19:21:33.935(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 451
[20170913-19:21:34.107(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 594
[20170913-19:23:47.248(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 68
[20170913-20:13:26.825(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 47
[20170913-20:13:27.325(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 500
[20170913-20:13:27.512(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 291
[20170913-20:19:25.856(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1475
[20170913-20:24:28.059(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 96
[20170913-20:41:45.309(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 170
[20170913-20:41:45.731(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 422
[20170913-20:42:36.794(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 163
[20170913-20:43:41.766(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 484
[20170913-20:44:59.345(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 81
[20170913-20:51:11.829(GMT)] Buy Market OrderOp elapsed: 437
[20170913-20:59:22.954(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed *: 77
[20170913-20:59:23.876(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 505
[20170913-20:59:23.876(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 927
[20170913-20:59:23.876(GMT)] OrderOp elapsed: 1
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mizugami7523 · September 17, 2017, 5:52pm

Anyone else having issues Trading FX Choice mobile MT4?

Quotes are all grayed out and can not trade.

whywescalp · September 17, 2017, 6:11pm

I pay them $2 per roundturn. You can easily get $2 per side with a simple request to any of their chat agent online and if your volume starts to go over 50 mills a month they will easily go down to $1 per side (that’s what I did)