It is a wonderful privilege to be a part of this forum. The owners of this site have no fiduciary responsibility to see to it that we are able to have a good experience, yet they do their best to see to it that we do. I have been a part of this community for a short time, and already I have had great interactions with several people. I have learned a lot from them. I hope they have learned from me. This is a superb community of traders, and I am happy to be a part of it.
Unfortunately, like all online communities, there are those who seek to disrupt. For unknown reasons, these people use vitriol and personal attacks to advance their agenda. Thankfully, they are always in the minority, but you will know who they are when you encounter them. They roam from post to post in small groups, spreading hate and being generally hurtful to those they target.
Please, when you do encounter this small band of thugs, donât leave. Instead, you may wish to follow these suggestions:
Donât engage anyone who attacks you personally. They want to draw you into a conversation you canât possibly win, since the other two will gang up on you, frustrate you and maybe draw you away from your original topic. Let them engage with Donald Trump. Thatâs what God put him on the earth for.
Flag each violation. I have to tell you from experience, it probably wonât do any good. But it will show the moderators we do care about it. Remember, this really isnât OUR forum. We are guests in someoneâs house. They have no legal obligation to do anything you ask.
There will be a lot of questions about broker recommendations. Stay as far away from anything broker related on the forum. If you wind up saying something bad about one of the sponsors, it could be a problem. Iâm not saying it will, but there could be repercussions, or maybe even retaliation against you. Makes sense, right?
When engaging a new person, you may want to just say hi, or give them a word of encouragement. Anything that is a specific recommendation to anyone, no matter who it is, may invite an attack. If you are going to give specific advice, I would recommend always using the Private Message feature.
I have noticed far fewer attacks when discussing technical subjects, i.e. support and resistance trading, trend lines, stop losses, etc. This could be a case where the attacker will gravitate to simpler subjects, simply because they have very little education. Who knows.
I hope this helps someone now or in the future. I hope these ideas give you a plan for staying on with the community rather than leaving in disgust. Remember, attackers can be managed when we all stick together. Again, I look forward to interacting with other traders in the community.
Look forward to interacting with you too Steve, and such a pitty you got off on the wrong foot. Water under the bridge for now, perhaps?
One point you did miss though, if I may?
Try to interact with disagreements and provide proof of your own knowledge (an area you have fallen short of going by your previous posts where questioned, Iâm also sure this is a valuable attribute that BP would also urge you to do) - after all that is the only metric used here.
Valuable posts, immediate likes, ratings and quality the of the members here [used to be] openly visable on the âoldâ BP platform; not anymore without searching. These metrics alone would have proved you wrong on multiple occasions. But each to their own.
As for staying out of technical analysis threads, this is not because of a lack of knowledge, rather itâs because most of the questions asked are ambiguous and already so far off the mark that an answer is not warranted - however feel free to fill this void
That is life in any forum or Youtube comment section, I like to compare these people to the screaming monkeyâs from 2001 Space Odyssey. This people are basically throwing their own poop and loss their argument with the first name ( poop) thrown.
depending on my mood at the time I might either totally ignore them or if I am feeling ornery , I might just rattle the monkey cage just for laughs
I think, it doesnât matter to me, attack all you like, as long as it doesnât affect the bottom line. Trading sites have always been an interesting study in Psychology. For example, if someone is the center of a couple of jokers joking, well if one is confident in themselves, their trading etc. I donât understand why they would care.
I have an opinion, you have an opinion, you call me a poopy head, how does that diminish my opinion, or my self worth for that matter. I still live on the Palatial VIPER Ranch and Estate, have been married to the most Beeeeutiful woman in the world for 35 years, have a modicum of health, and am surrounded by nieces and nephews who are well balanced and respectful Youts. So if that is the case, why would anyone complain about someone halfway around the world, calling them a poopy head.
If you have ever have the experience of watching someone take their last breath, it kind of pales. Also I canât see how a âtraderâ who gets emotionally off balance about what happens on an internet board, could successfully manage a wrong side, fat finger, naked short, for a half a yard in a fast running market. I just canât see it. Canât handle message board issues but can handle managing what could be a catastrophic loss?
I do believe that if questions are raised about certain statements, when it comes to trading, if one considers oneself to be a professional, these questions should be answered by the person who posted it. Statements cannot be âFiatâ reality. Itâs not a matter of, âwell I said it, and people should accept itâ. If you are putting it out there, you should be able to defend it, and accept the fact that people will question it. Now with that being said, If a poster does not have the experience, or intellectual ability to defend their point, maybe they should not post it at all. In my culture it is rude not to answer a question, I have seen this behavior at it really is rude, even if the person being questioned is thinking âI will not dignify that with an answerâ.
I have the very same experience.
Once I have shown one guy here what is free margin he and his friends did attack every my post and he has got even supported by admin.
I think these old fat carps here cant stand anyone with fresh opinions not aligned with their stubborn thinking.
So dont worry you are not alone with such experience
This forum certainly has a reputation for attacks surviving moderation, but in this instance, does it never occur to people who feel theyâre being âattackedâ to ask themselves what it might be about their own behaviour here that leads so many people disparaging them?
Sometimes, the battle is lost, but the war is being won. I think finally, it is dying down a bit. Thanks for the encouragement, and best of luck on your trading.
There is nothing you could do or say that should âdeserveâ a personal attack. it is just not warranted. There is just no excuse for it. If I say something inflammatory in one of my posts, I would expect the moderators to take it down immediately.
Thereâs no place on a trading forum for personal attacks. But a one-off remark might just be that, just an un-characteristic one-off remark made in a hurry or under stress.
Its important to identify whatâs going on.
Sadly, there are people in the world who can only feel validated when they think they can see someone else who is behind them in the race or the queue or the competition. They arenât interested in debating technique nor in helping others improve. In fact, they absolutely must have others around whom they can label as failures so they can feel good.
There is no winning with such types, any engagement with them would lead to an eventual stoney silence or increasingly personal attacks, as they cannot be reasoned out of an irrational position.
I remember seeing an attractive young lady in the Latin Quarter in Paris walking around with a piece of cardboard on which she had written " Free Hugs". Being English I avoided eye contact and pretended to be looking in a shop window. But I sometimes wonderâŚ
Well, well, well, Steve, bit of a sensitive type now ainât we. Not a good trait in a speculator. Now we both know that the one of the people you are talking about is me. And since you have accused me of being a troll, thug, hired goon or whatever it is you wish to refer me as, I now have the right to face my accuser and defend myself against such allegations. The result will be one of two things. At best my post will get heavily edit or deleted, or at worst Iâll get banned. Either way makes no difference to me. So letâs get started with a big
Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river, dear moderators and forum members, show pity on me because I have been called out.
Doesnât cut the mustard where I come from son. âAttacksâ in the forum what a farce. No genuine member here on the forum has ever been âattackedâ. Only marketers, frauds and charlatans. This is an educational site and needs to remain free of such contamination. Whereas the mods can be slow to act on the first two types, they usually act in the end. However charlatans tend to be protected. Why, I donât really know but I suspect (my opinion now) itâs something to do with revenue raising. They (the mods) make no excuses in starting this is a business and they have bills to pay and profit to make for the stakeholders. The selling of forex education is far more profitable and requires far less effort and knowledge to the actual act of trading.
So what do charlatans and revenue raising have to do with each other. Well charlatans tend to bomb the forum with post after post after post of wishy washy feel good stories. Tell the punters what they want to hear. This in turns promotes punters to a) return and then b) click on advertising providing revenue. No-body wants to hear this game is not for you - walk away. Reality is, this is the exact message most people need to hear.
5 years ago when I first came to this forum, all I knew about the markets was that if I speculate on currency exchange rates I could in turn profit. I worked my way through the school and then started reading the forum. Back then there were many many high quality posters. People whom could actually help us newbies. You posted a question and at least a dozen members would respond offering their personal views and experience. However the popularity of the forum along with the ease of access to the markets quickly attracted the scum marketers and frauds. They started bombing the forum with their get rich quick schemes. I suspect this is what started to drive the quality membership base away as lazy newbies got attracted to these higgs bosons as they sold them the message they wanted to hear. The members got sick of arguing with them and the mods over them. The mods didnât care. The popularity of the forum was growing, they didnât have to do a thing and the revenue was rolling in.
Eventually, the forum was purged of these marketing scum but it came at a cost. The activity of the quality membership base had also suffered. How does the saying go, no-one wins a war. And traffic to the site started to decline. No traffic, no revenue, but the bills still needed to be paid. In rolls the charlatans.
Now, those of us that actually know a thing or two about speculating can spot them a mile away. You stand out like dogâs ballz (note to mods, âto stand out like dogs ballzâ, Australian bogan slang meaning to be very obvious, to not fit and to be out of place). There should be no place for them in this forum. However without your kind there is no-one left to âsell the dreamâ. So, in the current market conditions, the stakeholders need you or they run the real risk of the site drifting into obscurity and then theyâll have to go get a job picking cotton.
Us thugs, trolls and hired goons, we have no tolerance to lazy, greedy people whom ainât committed to doing the hard work. We have even less tolerance for charlatans. The message you sell is cut and paste mumbo jumbo that makes the reader dumber for experiencing it. It adds no value to the reputation of the site ensuring quality members donât return. It certainly helps no-one achieve their dreams and that comes from personal experience. Which is why I have no problems calling the likes of you out.
Now, before you respond Steve, think about this. Babypips is littered with posts of my personal journey. From the early years of failed systems such as Bobs MTF LWMA System to my current system Profiting from noise - Price Action Trading on Tick Charts which I trade each and every day. I also put alot of hard work with some fellow devoted members on this thread Donchian Channel Trading. I have made no secret that I am no educator, teacher or master trader. Just and ordinary Joe doing an extraordinary thing that us armchair speculators shouldnât be able to do. But I still have a long long way to go.
So I say toughen up Steve. Offer the community some original thought, a glimpse into a day in the life of Steve the trader. Some personal experience you have made as a speculator. Or, if you canât stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen - in your case, back to your wellness center Steve Epperson | Facebook.
But lets leave it up to the membership base to decided. Do us âthugsâ unfairly target members like Steve?
Yes, there is a level of unreasonable attacks on certain members and the thugs need to back off.
No, the thugs are justified in highlighting charlatans and we benifit from knowing whom they are.
Well, there you go again. I donât understand the emotion, if I am wrong or misunderstood, I apologize. I said something, Tacita read something, and as G. B. Shaw said âtwo nations divided by a common languageâ. Bottom line I apologized for the misunderstanding, it is what properly bred people do.
However, apologizing for correcting misleading and ignorant statements, never. When you trade OPM, you have to have a high level of integrity or you end up like Madoff. So when I see statements regarding keeping only 50k in an account, I have to say something, lest some new person to the board actually believe it. Itâs like the difference between ECN and STP, it is misunderstood all the time, and used improperly. Also, if you are going to quote something, then, put it into âquotesâ and state you are doing so, and the source.
I have spoken to the Robot Elders about this issue, and I was told that I may quote the misstatement, and refute it, that is all I need. No Iâm not a thug, or a troll, more like an enforcer of truth.
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Wow, membership base, egad, if I was still an IB, I would have to get a real job with only 7 accounts the commissions wouldnât even pay to feed the Mules. .
Well said bob, Iâm staying out of this one though - my quick trigger responses have apparently crossed the old BP line on a few occasions, regardless of the⌠[insert here your own comments]
Also, pretty sterling results on your poll, hopefully more participants will contribute to reinforce the obvious.
