Is it possible to TEST the Leverage?

Hi.

I hear what you’re saying. Unfortunately I’m in the very same situation right now and it’s the only reason I’ve started trading again. But experience has taught me (the hard way) that things just don’t work out when you’re taking too much risk by opening too many positions or positions too large for your trading account. The end result is ALWAYS the same. Sometimes it just takes a little bit longer to destroy an account is all. But as I say: the end results is always the same. I’ve learned (as I say: the hard way) that you need decent capital to be able to trade and to not rely on leverage. That is the only formula that works in spite of what anybody around here says. You need to think about leverage in a different way. You are asking the broker to lend you money in order for you to be able to open a large position. If you make profit: the profit is all yours and thank you very much for your help Mr. Broker. If you make a loss: well all you’re going to lose is the money that you put in. That doesn’t sound like a good or fair deal now does it. Just think about those statements for one minute. You are a total stranger to the broker and if you lose the broker’s money they have no recourse. Now if I asked you as a total stranger to lend me some money to open a large position and I’ll pay you back when the trade is closed: would you lend me that money??? Not a chance in hell The only time you would lend me that money is if you were ABSOLUTELY 100% GUARANTEED to get it back WITH a profit. And that is why some of these brokers offer ridiculous amounts of leverage. They are GUARANTEED (even if it takes a while) to get not only THEIR money back (which in most cases they’re not actually putting up anyway i.e. it’s just figures on a screen) but also YOUR money when all is closed.

Anyway. I feel for you. I really do. The only way I can possibly help you is to direct you to my thread that I started recently. But it means you forget about FOREX altogether and you really do need some serious capital (although this would all depend on how much money you need to make on a monthly basis). Not sure what else to say.

With regard to your chart and positions: I still don’t have the answer. Maybe open another demo account at another broker and start over.

Regards,

Dale.

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Oh and by the way (for you and anybody else reading the above message of mine):

I am not the least bit interested in knowing how much money you have to trade with, I will not EVER trade other people’s money again, I am not affiliated with nor work for any broker at all (not even as an Introducing Broker), and have no interest, vested or otherwise, in your trading. So don’t ask. Been there, done that, never again. Truth be told: I’ve ended up in a really nasty situation through no fault of my own (nothing at all to do with trading). And I have not had one single person to turn to that gives enough of a sh*t to help me out for a few months (this in spite of me having done the same on several occasions for one or two people over the years and who have had every excuse under the sun for not being able to tide me over for a few months). So I am EXTREMELY bitter about the whole situation and am left with no choice but to do what I’m doing now. And the only reason I’m posting again, if the real truth be told, is that I’m single again and on my own and it’s actually doing my head in especially with not having anything else to do in the day. So there’s the truth. Anyway: point is that if I can help by showing you something that I know works consistently (as long as you obey the rules 100% and don’t get greedy and don’t get ahead of yourself) well then I’m happy to do so.

Regards,

Dale.

Very well said yes but although i am going in extreme off-topic comparing to my question (still noone has answered me), i will comment your statement of:

If you make a loss…

I lost everything i had on two accounts but i don’t feel like i am entirely responsible for that. Not blaming one of two (but i do the second one) brokers either. The thing is that my responsibility ends when position gets opened. Not as pending but as active. Obviously i have to do everything what is possible to be done before opening a trade. This is the moment where i am responsible. To make smart investments (i did that), market research (i did that), well created strategies (i did that), appropriate money management - referring to investment decision. I admit i haven’t done the fourth thing. This fourth thing was my entire failure for which i am responsible for and believe it or not, but honestly i don’t think i would choose any different investment this time or next time, even if i just admitted my failure in money management. Why? Because if i succeed in “direction announcement” then i have to get enough profit to form at least minimum salary to live with since i don’t have any other income. People who have it, can afford smaller investments. I cannot because everything depends on trading. But why i don’t feel entirely responsible for the loss is the fact that after position becomes active, i can only watch the trend. It is completely out of my hands where the trend is going. I haven’t put it in incorrect direction (against my positions). It wasn’t me who caused the consequence (opposite direction) for a loss. I did entire work (expect incorrect money management which may even be a key one) before entering active position. Until that moment, its my responsibility. What happens next with a trend, i cannot control anymore. Defined problem can be ‘‘Reversal In Opposite Direction’’ but i haven’t done it. So i am partially but not entirely responsible and its unfair that broker doesn’t refund. Its like being punished for something i haven’t done. How could i know that reversal will happen before having active positions opened? I cannot look into the future. This is just as my comment to your statement that i make a loss. I am respecting all rules of trading, been learning for a long time. But something i haven’t done, shouldn’t punished me in a form of a permanent loss.

In all those negativity and money i have been “partially” robbed from is also a small good thing: All those failures forced me to develop some completely new strategy to try on demo and stay away from indicators that don’t work. They show only past and current happening on trend with zero assurance same will happen in the future. Also stay away from price action analysis because resistance and terminal zones, and also things like indecision candles, are by far over-rated. I am still doing failures even on new strategy on demo BUT there is one positive and one negative thing. Negative is that a lot of time, talking about months, is wasted waiting for position to come to at least zero or minimum profit in order to close it. I don’t want to go in discussion why i am so much eager even on demo account to not close position in a loss but rather waste months of waiting for nothing - basically only for VIRTUAL money to come to zero profit from loss. Positive thing is that i am able to catch where the failure was pretty easy. Considering this failure, i develop new step in strategy or correct previous one. Using new step, the failure (usually) doesn’t occur anymore. New one may but more failures i eliminate, higher possibility of (faster) profit is.

Example: The latest failure i caught was too low distance used where Stop pending position was executed. Referring to the distance which has to be done by the trend so when it reaches this level, stop buy or stop sell becomes market bid/ask and gets executed. I had two opposite Stops, one buy, one sell. The consequence of failure was the following: the trend did a small movement and cause one stop to execute then it retraced to opposite direction where Stop was auto closed. Now it is going to that opposite direction further more and more, causing larger and larger loss on demo. Wrong solution is to think that next time i should simply increase the distance so if the trend moves so little then unwanted Stop won’t be executed yet. Why is this wrong solution? Because we can never know how many points (so what distance) is enough. So the better solution is to develop the method which tells me how do i the quantity of needed points how much away from current market price Stop has to be. I got that idea also and it is involving upper/lower shadows.

By the way: if on this forum is any expert in defining quantity of points for Stop pending orders and would be willing to share his idea, so i can compare it with my, i would owe him for a life time.

You further said:

“showing you something that I know works consistently”

yes i am interested, whatever are you referring to.

Dude.

I don’t understand any of your post. And I’m not going to even try. Sorry.

Here. Go to my thread (link below). Don’t even bother reading the posts i.e. just download the e-book on the link at the end of the first post (to begin with anyway) and read it through concentrating particularly on Chapter 8 (TPS i.e. Time, Price, Scale-in). If it looks like something you can trade then I’m happy to discuss particulars etc. on my thread. Just be aware though: you are not trading each and every single day and most of the time you’re out of the market so better you find something else to keep your brain occupied during the day. You’re also not going to make monthly every single month but ON AVERAGE over a period it will equate to that. And given that you don’t seem to concerned about managing risk it could just work for you.

https://forums.babypips.com/t/tps-time-price-scale-in-revisited/215204

Regards,

Dale.

One reason why I ask traders to stay away from leverage is this, it’s more complicated than what it seems to be. I mean if it was actually this simple to just open an account with $100 and use say 500x leverage on it and become a richie rich kinda guy overnight, eveybody would have been minting green. So keep leverage at bay, concentrate on perfecting your strategy without it.